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I think its outrageous that a baby leaves the hospital with a SSN applied for/assigned to him/her...

I'm curious. Why do you think that outrageous?

there is no reason at all for a baby to need one at that age and it sets up children for identity theft which can go on for many years before the kid finds out his/her credit rating, job prospects, insurance rates, ability to rent, etc are screwed up.. I didn't have a SIN (Canada's "SSN") until I was 17 & living on my own and had my first job, until you are working there is no need for it.. And in Canada the SIN is to be used only for tax purposes, it is not a national identity number/card there like it is here..

The SSN is used for tax purposes here.

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It used to be that way here. Then they required that every kid have a SSN if you wanted to claim the kid as a dependent.

Which would be a - wait for it - tax purpose!
(ETA: Fixed a typo.)

Well, it's stupid for the govt to require it for a child.. its not for the tax purpose of the child, its for the tax purpose of the adult (which will already have one).. the childs name, sex and birth date & place of birth should suffice.. I just looked at Canada's Canada Child Tax Benefit form and no where do they ask for a SIN for the children..

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The neighbors would also be liable for employment taxes, unless the kid filled out a 1099.

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No worries. Sorry the peanut gallery decided to blow it out of proportion.

Yep. My point was that before you had to PROVE your kids were actually existing by having a SSN; you didn't get a SSN until you got a real paycheck job that had withholding taken out.

I wonder if anyone has ever prosecuted a kid for not paying self employment tax when he did yard work for the neighbors? I should hush or the nanny state may realize they have lost millions over the years by not taxing the kid with the lawnmower.

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Even though it's for the adult's tax purpose, it's still for a tax purpose.

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Even though it's for the adult's tax purpose, it's still for a tax purpose.

but its not the kid that applies for it so its not for his/her tax purpose so they shouldn't (imo) need one.. and there is no requirement for the adult to apply for the tax credit either if they don't want to.. its not mandatory like paying tax is.. Imo there is more detriment in babies/children being forced to have a SSN well before they become tax paying adults.. especially in the US where everyone's SSN is virtually public information and so easy and ripe for Identity Theft.. How would you like to be a kid that grows up and has to deal with someone doing that to you? sometimes its even the parents that do that to them.. [8|]

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Even though it's for the adult's tax purpose, it's still for a tax purpose.

but its not the kid that applies for it so its not for his/her tax purpose so they shouldn't (imo) need one.. and there is no requirement for the adult to apply for the tax credit either if they don't want to.. its not mandatory like paying tax is.. Imo there is more detriment in babies/children being forced to have a SSN well before they become tax paying adults.. especially in the US where everyone's SSN is virtually public information and so easy and ripe for Identity Theft.. How would you like to be a kid that grows up and has to deal with someone doing that to you? sometimes its even the parents that do that to them.. [8|]

Except, it's definitely in the parents' favor to claim their kids. So, no, they don't have to claim them, but I'm willing to bet more people do than not.

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Even though it's for the adult's tax purpose, it's still for a tax purpose.

but its not the kid that applies for it so its not for his/her tax purpose so they shouldn't (imo) need one.. and there is no requirement for the adult to apply for the tax credit either if they don't want to.. its not mandatory like paying tax is.. Imo there is more detriment in babies/children being forced to have a SSN well before they become tax paying adults.. especially in the US where everyone's SSN is virtually public information and so easy and ripe for Identity Theft.. How would you like to be a kid that grows up and has to deal with someone doing that to you? sometimes its even the parents that do that to them.. [8|]

Except, it's definitely in the parents' favor to claim their kids. So, no, they don't have to claim them, but I'm willing to bet more people do than not.

sure, but why should the parents that don't claim them get forced to get a SSN for their kids too? but again, its still not necessary since the childs name, birthdate, place of birth should suffice even if the parents do want to claim the kids.. forcing a number on a baby/child to me is so Nazi-ish..