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Kirata -> Another Outrage (6/26/2014 7:53:25 PM)
It's a strange hypothetical scenario to imagine. Pressure to accept a medical treatment, no tangible proof of its necessity, its only benefits conferred by the fact that everyone else already has it, and coming at a terrible expense to those 1 or 2 percent who have a bad reaction. It seems unlikely that doctors, hospitals, parents, or society in general would tolerate a standard practice like this. Except they already do. The imaginary treatment I described above is real. Obstetricians, doctors, and midwives commit this procedure on infants every single day, in every single country. In reality, this treatment is performed almost universally without even asking for the parents' consent, making this practice all the more insidious. ~Slate The outrageous treatment goes by two different names: "It's a boy!" and "It's a girl!" Yeah, seriously. Anybody else think maybe it's time to start putting Thorazine in the water? K.

DomKen -> RE: Another Outrage (6/26/2014 8:37:35 PM)
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking?

Kirata -> RE: Another Outrage (6/26/2014 8:54:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking? The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. You do know the difference, right? K.

Sanity -> RE: Another Outrage (6/26/2014 9:32:07 PM)
You think such things are random? Some say that every value, every part of traditional life must be upended for the fundamental transformation, and I say we are about half way there. Its normal to have "gender neutral restrooms" in our grade schools. Its normal for our government to push welfare addiction on the population. Its normal to sit on our hands while our nation is suffering a very real invasion. Its normal for our president to spew vitriol toward half of the country in his speeches. All of this and more is propagandized as "normal". Welcome to the brave new normal...

DomKen -> RE: Another Outrage (6/26/2014 9:50:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking? The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. You do know the difference, right? Are you too stupid to understand the essay? The point is that while usually the brain matches the plumbing it isn't always true and the brain is more important than the plumbing so maybe we should wait until the kid declares its gender rather than deciding based on the plumbing. Was that simple enough for you?

Kirata -> RE: Another Outrage (6/26/2014 10:01:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking? The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. You do know the difference, right? Are you too stupid to understand the essay? The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. Are you too stupid to understand English? K.

FieryOpal -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 1:35:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? [8\|] While we're at it, why not let newborns simply raise themselves like feral wolves? [8D]

SadistDave -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 2:16:08 AM)
Ken apparently thinks that at the ripe old age of 31 seconds, a child will just "know" what sex it wants to be. According to that article there is a 1-2% chance of a child being assigned the gender it will not want to be when it grows up. So that's what... a 98-99% SUCCESS rate for assigning a gender at birth. Oh the HORROR! -SD-

DomKen -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 2:51:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking? The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. You do know the difference, right? Are you too stupid to understand the essay? The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. Are you too stupid to understand English? No. Are you too stupid too understand that we have moved beyond relying upon a glance at the plumbing, which we can change with surgery anyway, to determine that? It's how the person feels that is important not which bits the baby developed..

Musicmystery -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 4:26:41 AM)
Christin is a transgender blogger and a web developer by trade. I think her medical, psychological, and writing careers need some tweaking yet. As for dealing with Kenny, this may help: Delusions and Paranoia \| Management Strategies 1) This type of behaviour may be very frustrating or difficult for you. Try to remember to stay cool and to be patient. Calmly state the truth, and try to reassure the person of the truth, in order to reduce feelings of suspicion and distrust. 2) Identify what soothes the person, whether it is music or a warm bath. Try to integrate these things into his or her daily routine to help build a comfortable and relaxing environment. This will minimize feelings of suspicion and distrust. 3) When the person is acting out from their delusions or paranoia , try to distract them. Redirect their attention to an activity that is familiar and may be done unassisted. 4) If the person is consistently questioning the motives of others, it may help to talk to friends and relatives to let them know not to take the accusations seriously. http://www.dementiaguide.com/symptomlibrary/behavior/delusionsparanoia/managementstrategies/

MrUnderwood -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 5:19:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata It's a strange hypothetical scenario to imagine. Pressure to accept a medical treatment, no tangible proof of its necessity, its only benefits conferred by the fact that everyone else already has it, and coming at a terrible expense to those 1 or 2 percent who have a bad reaction. It seems unlikely that doctors, hospitals, parents, or society in general would tolerate a standard practice like this. Except they already do. The imaginary treatment I described above is real. Obstetricians, doctors, and midwives commit this procedure on infants every single day, in every single country. In reality, this treatment is performed almost universally without even asking for the parents' consent, making this practice all the more insidious. ~Slate The outrageous treatment goes by two different names: "It's a boy!" and "It's a girl!" Yeah, seriously. Anybody else think maybe it's time to start putting Thorazine in the water? K. Too funny, very immersive story by a tg with an obvious bone to pick. Good thing it's actually 1 to 2 percent of the 1 to 2 percent who still wait until the child is actually born in order to learn it's gender. I think by now they've even had a TV serial about the parents who discover their child has uncharacteristic development and get an entire episode to soberly explore and discuss the ramifications, options and consequences, pretty much exactly the persons one might want to make those agonizing decisions...not nearly as dramatic as the Frankenstein described by M Milloy, evilly deciding the infants fate and casting it into a wrteched life of hyperbolizing the most common of human events, causing untold millions to quote it and without even grasping the essence of it's argument, to use it as a springboard to hurl veiled insults from their couched political positions. Bummer indeed. Heck ya, go ahead and jack the water, can't see as how it'll hurt, might even help.

thishereboi -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 5:36:36 AM)
Well I suppose they could make it illegal for docs to make the big announcement when the baby comes out. But I am guessing if they did that, most parents would just look between the kids legs and figure it out on their own. At that point it really wouldn't matter what the doc had told them. They will still see a penis and think male. Short of referring to all kids as "it" I just don't see what the author is going for. I would hope she is not implying that the newborn hears the doc and this somehow traumatizes the child but she seems to focus on the initial announcement like it's some kind of torture treatment. I suppose the next article will be on the evils of ultrasounds and why parents shouldn't be allowed to know the sex before birth. Maybe we can outlaw nurserys that don't use gender neutral colors or clothing that indicates gender. Or maybe someone will pick up on your Thorazine idea and she will chill out a bit.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 7:10:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking? "Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it? Gender certainly can be changed at a later date, but at birth, it's pretty much going to be obvious (there are exceptions).

PeonForHer -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 9:19:49 AM)
FR Twelve posts in and not one person has squawked the good old line 'Political Correctness Gone Mad!' What is this forum coming to?

Sanity -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 9:41:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR Twelve posts in and not one person has squawked the good old line 'Political Correctness Gone Mad!' What is this forum coming to? Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture. Political correctness is more, looking the other way while it happens.

PeonForHer -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 9:47:59 AM)
quote: Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture. Wow. So, is this policy of strict non-assignment of gender at birth quite widespread your side of the pond, then? If so, how do you see it destroying American/traditional culture, exactly?

joether -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 9:58:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Twelve posts in and not one person has squawked the good old line 'Political Correctness Gone Mad!' What is this forum coming to? Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture. Political correctness is more, looking the other way while it happens. You wouldn't be a conservative if you weren't afraid of your own shadow, let alone something like a TG Person.... This has nothing to do with destroying the American culture (changing it perhaps). Traditional culture, maybe? But what has traditional culture done for the American people of since the millennium started? It separates those who are 'forward looking' from those that are 'living in the past'. Political correctness is more about being tolerant and accepting, rather than the bigotry and irrational actions of people. Sometimes it does go to far. But then when bigotry and irrational actions go to far, people tend to die.....

stef -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 10:02:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture. The only tradition there is regarding "culture" is that it is always changing. I suppose you would like to go back to the "traditions" where those pesky wimmins and negros were't allowed to vote? Ah, the good old traditions!

joether -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 10:10:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking? "Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it? Gender certainly can be changed at a later date, but at birth, it's pretty much going to be obvious (there are exceptions). Really? To you it all comes down to 'what's on the surface of an individual'? That's a pretty shallow view you hold.... So if a person is of black skin color, they can not do as well as that of someone with white skin color? That a tall person can not ride as well as a midget? A fat person can not government as well as a slim person? The topic here, is of the outlook of the individual's view of their sex. That for some people, what's on the outside is not a true determination of what's on the inside. In this day and age, its ok for people to show what is on the inside to the out without the out-right fear of persecution by the law, religious nuts, or mental prisons. The DSV-4 removed the notion that being homosexual was a mental disorder back in 1994, but the process of change had taken place as early as the 2nd edition in 1974. The DSM-5 was just published last month. From what I understand of it, that changing one's gender in a physical sense becomes harder and harder as one grows older. There are many examples of individuals whom started as one gender but turned to the other early on and have led good, healthy lives. The only people I find that cant handle this concept are the bigots in the nation.

Sanity -> RE: Another Outrage (6/27/2014 11:31:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture. Wow. So, is this policy of strict non-assignment of gender at birth quite widespread your side of the pond, then? If so, how do you see it destroying American/traditional culture, exactly? Again, a part of the overall effort. Words mean things... And no, this particular aspect of said effort is not simply emanating from some fringe isolated individual http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/78606/

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