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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/5/2014 10:09:01 PM   
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The claim was " if they elect anyone from the right they will make all abortion illegal" and I have been hearing it for about 40 years now. Abortion isn't illegal here and we have elected a lot of republicans in the past 40 years so I am having trouble believing it any more. Why is that so fucking hard for you to comprehend.

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 7:13:51 AM   
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And how many different restrictions did the governor sign in 2 years?

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 7:27:05 AM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 7:46:00 AM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.


It's almost like one side chipping away at gun rights, but saying they aren't outlawing them, as a defense...


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 7:51:10 AM   
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hahahahhahahah when 733 bills are put forward for any type of gun control, worry.
in the first six months of the year.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 7:53:48 AM   
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hahahahhahahah when 733 bills are put forward for any type of gun control, worry.
in the first six months of the year.


It's still the same defense, Lucy.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 11:48:16 AM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.

Ask yourself what lesbian would ever say the things that this fucking moron posts. It is pretty clear to me that it is some religious fascist with a fake persona to pimp this moronic agenda. Next this person will have a profile as a black who supports the kkk.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 11:51:26 AM   
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It's almost like one side chipping away at gun rights, but saying they aren't outlawing them, as a defense...

For the fucking ignorant morons who only open their mouths to change feet the brady bill (the most onerous anti gun bill ever passed) was pimped and passed by your possie.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 11:53:17 AM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.


It's almost like one side chipping away at gun rights, but saying they aren't outlawing them, as a defense...


Bullshit. Show me a US politician who has even suggested repealing the 2nd amendment.

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 11:57:54 AM   
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The claim was " if they elect anyone from the right they will make all abortion illegal" and I have been hearing it for about 40 years now.

You are a mother fucking liar. That has never been the claim. It is pretty easy for punkass motherfukers to make shit up and then disagree with it. Honest people actually discuss facts, not the shit they pull out of their ass and gargle with.


Abortion isn't illegal here and we have elected a lot of republicans in the past 40 years so I am having trouble believing it any more. Why is that so fucking hard for you to comprehend

What we all comprehend is that you are a liar. There are no lesbians who would pimp to have their behaviour made illegal...why do you think anyone believes your moronic bullshit?
You post half truths and whole lies. Do you think for a moment that if your gang of fascists ruled the scotus that abortion would be illegal in a microsecond and you would be in prison for being a lesbian...which of course you are not. Just another ann coulter wannabe.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 2:43:27 PM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.

It's almost like one side chipping away at gun rights, but saying they aren't outlawing them, as a defense...

Bullshit. Show me a US politician who has even suggested repealing the 2nd amendment.


Is there an Amendment regarding abortions, Ken? If not, then there aren't any apples on your side there.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 3:09:57 PM   
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You are talking bollocks, just for the sake of of it....again
Having control of your life and liberty chipped away at, may not seem important to you, but it should be for women.men like you will only care whenn it affects someone they love......by then its too fucking late...you honestly make me puke.
You might be too old to give a shit but i have several years of fight left in me.....american or otherwise.

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 4:09:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.

It's almost like one side chipping away at gun rights, but saying they aren't outlawing them, as a defense...

Bullshit. Show me a US politician who has even suggested repealing the 2nd amendment.


Is there an Amendment regarding abortions, Ken? If not, then there aren't any apples on your side there.


Yes!
The Republican platform has included language calling for such an amendment since at least 1980. And every Republican Presidential candidate since then has been publicly in favor of such as well.

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 8:40:14 PM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.



The latest ad I heard claimed if I elect a certain women, she will stop abortions for rape and incest. Which is a flat out lie. The position doesn't have that kind of power. Now if they said this candidate had said x and did y and that proves she is going to try to push laws to stop abortion, I might start listening to them. But as long as they take every thing to extremes and insist on lying I won't. They will also have to show that the issue is based in politics and not religion.

And since you are all fired up about womens rights to abortion, why don't I ever hear you mention other countries that have stricter laws than the US.

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/6/2014 9:51:39 PM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.



The latest ad I heard claimed if I elect a certain women, she will stop abortions for rape and incest. Which is a flat out lie. The position doesn't have that kind of power. Now if they said this candidate had said x and did y and that proves she is going to try to push laws to stop abortion, I might start listening to them. But as long as they take every thing to extremes and insist on lying I won't. They will also have to show that the issue is based in politics and not religion.

Maybe because it was her ad, if it was the female Senate candidate in Michigan since she is definitely telling people she will stop all abortions if elected? Anyway your crazy legislature already made it so that you have to pay out of pocket for all abortions  even in case of rape.

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/7/2014 4:56:36 AM   
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The fact that Terri Lynn Land is against abortions except for the life of the mother, means that she would be for banning abortions of any other kind. 13 seconds of sipping coffee saying really?? yeah thats the way to defend the republican platform AND her own stand.
And if you are listening to tv ads, then more fool you.
90% of the ads out there(if not more) that I have seen, have lies and spin, and that goes for every country Ive lived in and seen of the USA election bullshit and all parties. wanna count all the ads with the lies about obama care, or Obama or hell even Palin or Romney, cruz, bohner, pelosi, reid, cain, perry, any of the political mongrels.

PS you dont know what I do on behalf of other women in other countries trying to chip away at their health laws, so that is a bullshit non sequitur if I ever heard one. The day you start a topic about anything at all I will give you my opinion. Lets see how many responses you get on it...there is no interest on this board on other countries. how long till one of the normal boneheads claim I shouldnt discuss american issues because Im a furrigner.....sod that..

BTW you claim im fired up about a small part of the whole damn issue, which I have commented on often and passionately NOT JUST abortion.
but then I never expect you to get anything right.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/7/2014 5:35:03 AM   
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No, it wasn't her ad

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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/7/2014 7:32:51 AM   
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quote:

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You are talking bollocks, just for the sake of of it....again
Having control of your life and liberty chipped away at, may not seem important to you, but it should be for women.men like you will only care whenn it affects someone they love......by then its too fucking late...you honestly make me puke.
You might be too old to give a shit but i have several years of fight left in me.....american or otherwise.


I make you puke? You should see a Dr. about that.

As Pauley puts it in one of the Rocky movies, "I don't sweat you."

I'm not talking bollocks. I support a woman's right to choose an abortion. I support a woman's right to choose whatever birth control method she wants. I don't support forcing someone else to pay for it, though.


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/7/2014 7:34:28 AM   
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aaaaaaaaaah Ken but it hasnt been outlawed.... no matter what has been done to chip away at it, she will cling to that final point.....I guess it will only be when it is, that she will admit that she was wrong, and what fucking good will that do the hundreds of millions of women who DO and WILL need control over their child bearing years.

It's almost like one side chipping away at gun rights, but saying they aren't outlawing them, as a defense...

Bullshit. Show me a US politician who has even suggested repealing the 2nd amendment.

Is there an Amendment regarding abortions, Ken? If not, then there aren't any apples on your side there.

Yes!
The Republican platform has included language calling for such an amendment since at least 1980. And every Republican Presidential candidate since then has been publicly in favor of such as well.


So, liar, the answer is, "no, there is no amendment."


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RE: The RNC uses FEAR.....AGAIN... - 7/7/2014 7:46:27 AM   
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Not only is there one proposed -- there are several.

A number of Human Life Amendments have been proposed in Congress since 1973, with 20 total days of hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1974, 1975, and 1981, several other hearings before other committees, and a number of floor debates. Between 1973 and 2003, the National Committee for a Human Life Amendment reports a total of 330 proposals using varying texts, with most dying in committee. The only version of the Human Life Amendment to reach a formal floor vote was the Hatch-Eagleton Amendment, which received 49 supporting votes in the Senate on June 28, 1983, falling 18 votes short of the 67 required for passage
The Hogan Amendment

Introduced by Rep. Lawrence Hogan (R-MD) on January 30, 1973, under H.J.Res. 261.

Section 1. Neither the United States nor any State shall deprive any human being, from the moment of conception, of life without due process of law; nor deny to any human being, from the moment of conception, within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Neither the United States nor any State shall deprive any human being of life on account of illness, age, or incapacity.

Section 3. Congress and the several States shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
The Whitehurst Amendment

Introduced by Rep. G. William Whitehurst (R-VA) on March 13, 1973, under H.J.Res. 427.

Section 1. Nothing in this Constitution shall bar any State or territory or the District of Columbia, with regard to any area over which it has jurisdiction, from allowing, regulating, or prohibiting the practice of abortion.
The Burke Amendment

Introduced by James Burke (D-MA) on September 12, 1973, under H.J.Res. 769.

Section 1. With respect to the right to life, the word 'person,' as used in this article and in the fifth and fourteenth articles of amendment to the Constitution of the United States, applies to all human beings, including their unborn offspring at every stage of their biological development, irrespective of age, health, function, or condition of dependency.

Section 2. No abortion shall be performed by any person except under and in conformance with law permitting an abortion to be performed only in an emergency when a reasonable medical certainty exists that the continuation of pregnancy will cause the death of the mother and requiring that person to make every reasonable effort, in keeping with good medical practice, to preserve the life of her unborn offspring.

Section 3. The Congress and the several States shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation within their respective jurisdictions.
Scott Amendment

Introduced by Sen. William Scott (R-VA) on June 6, 1975, under S.J.Res. 91.

The power to regulate the circumstances under which pregnancy may be terminated is reserved to the states.
The Paramount Amendment

Introduced by Rep. Romano Mazzoli (D-KY) on April 5, 1979, under H.J.Res. 294.

The paramount right to life is vested in each human being from the moment of fertilization without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.
Hatch Amendment

Introduced by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) on September 21, 1981, under S.J.Res. 110.

A right to abortion is not secured by this Constitution. The Congress and the several States shall have the concurrent power to restrict and prohibit abortions: Provided, That a law of a State which is more restrictive than a law of Congress shall govern.
The Hatch-Eagleton Amendment

Introduced by Sen. Orrin Hatch and Sen. Thomas Eagleton (D-MO) on January 26, 1983, under S.J.Res. 3 and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. The matter was referred to the Subcommittee on Constitution on February 22 and hearing were held by the subcommittee on Feb 28 and March 7. On March 23 the Subcommittee "[a]pproved for full committee consideration with an amendment favorably". The Committee itself ordered the resolution to re reported with amendment without recommendation on April 19, and the resolution was reported to the Senate and placed on the legislative calendar on July 7. The resolution finally came before the full Senate on July 27 and 28 failing passage by a 49-50 vote.[1]

A right to abortion is not secured by this Constitution.
2012 developments

As of August 2012, multiple sources have reported the existence of a platform provision at the 2012 Republican National Convention that calls for an amendment to the Constitution to ban abortion, allegedly with no exceptions for rape or incest.[2][3] Other sources dispute the stance, noting that no specific language has been proposed.[4][5][6]

Following the controversy over Representative Todd Akin's controversial remarks concerning "legitimate rape" in the run-up to the Convention, Democrats began calling this provision the "Akin Plank".[3][7]

The text of the plank does not mention rape, but states:

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Amendment

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