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Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 7:12:42 AM   
cloudboy


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Status: offline 		As these three nations remain unstable and in a state of civil war, how much of that instability is due to incompetent US meddling?

How could anyone think Democracy could be installed in IRAQ by an outside, Christian nation?

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 7:18:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nearly all of the instability is due to US intervention. Except the Kurds, they been wanting their own country a long time, and they are doing the best job of keeping their shit together and staying under the radar, hell they even got Turkey talkin turkey with them, and they were dead set against it.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 9:05:39 AM   
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As these three nations remain unstable and in a state of civil war, how much of that instability is due to incompetent US meddling?

How much is due to the British, French, and Russians?

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 9:40:11 AM   
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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 10:07:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Afghanistan has a history of banditry going back to when Alexander the Great has problems with the tribes there millennia ago. The Ottoman's failed to integrate the Afghans. The British never were about to subjugate them. The Nazis got turned back by them. The Afghans kicked ass on the CCCP. Why should the U.S. be any different? I doubt they are going to change just because we handed out candy bars.

As to Iraq and Iran; you are talking about an area that eschewed a great progressive intellectually progressive society in favor of religious fundamentalism and theocratic Sharia law over 300 years ago. I wouldn't hold my breath about them going democratic any time this decade and probably not this century. The mullahs will incite riots until a new religiously acceptable warlord takes over.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 10:23:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		As of early 2005 the high ranking US military and US govt. officials new that the new Iragi govt. was going to be totally corrupt following a totally incompetent CPA and nobody from Bush on down...gave a shit. Oh...let's blame Obama who in 2009...was handed an absolute basket case.

The Iraqi police were a joke and the Army was a paper Army with as many as 60% that didn't exist and whose bogus salaries were being stolen.

Afghanistan...the same as the Bush admin. installed the loser in their elections. Oh...let's blame Obama.

Syria whose govt. no US admin ever contested, is now shown to be the butchers everybody knew they were. Oh...let's blame Obama.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 10:40:42 AM   
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As of early 2005 the high ranking US military and US govt. officials new that the new Iragi govt. was going to be totally corrupt following a totally incompetent CPA and nobody from Bush on down...gave a shit. Oh...let's blame Obama who in 2009...was handed an absolute basket case.

The Iraqi police were a joke and the Army was a paper Army with as many as 60% that didn't exist and whose bogus salaries were being stolen.

Afghanistan...the same as the Bush admin. installed the loser in their elections. Oh...let's blame Obama.

Syria whose govt. no US admin ever contested, is now shown to be the butchers everybody knew they were. Oh...let's blame Obama.

Who blamed Obama?

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 12:26:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As of early 2005 the high ranking US military and US govt. officials new that the new Iragi govt. was going to be totally corrupt following a totally incompetent CPA and nobody from Bush on down...gave a shit. Oh...let's blame Obama who in 2009...was handed an absolute basket case.

The Iraqi police were a joke and the Army was a paper Army with as many as 60% that didn't exist and whose bogus salaries were being stolen.

Afghanistan...the same as the Bush admin. installed the loser in their elections. Oh...let's blame Obama.

Syria whose govt. no US admin ever contested, is now shown to be the butchers everybody knew they were. Oh...let's blame Obama.

Who blamed Obama?

Almost everybody on the right from McCain to Cheney and more. Seems how so many on the right just 'saw this coming' so why didn't Obama and while anybody who cared to know, saw this coming almost 10 years ago.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 12:30:33 PM   
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Six years in and Obama isn't responsible for a single thing yet

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 12:48:44 PM   
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Six years in and Obama isn't responsible for a single thing yet

Well like I've said and I am not alone...who knew it could take a generation to repair the damage done by what was easily the worst two term pres, in the nation's history...and by all measures ? (and it 5.5 years)

If your wife begs you to take in her brother until he gets back on his feet, he totals your car and burns your house down...who should she blame ?


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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 2:34:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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Six years in and Obama isn't responsible for a single thing yet

Well like I've said and I am not alone...who knew it could take a generation to repair the damage done by what was easily the worst two term pres, in the nation's history...and by all measures ? (and it 5.5 years)
If your wife begs you to take in her brother until he gets back on his feet, he totals your car and burns your house down...who should she blame ?


If she's a Democrat, she should probably blame, W.



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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 4:15:55 PM   
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How much due to Islam.


Good point....... How much is due to the people of the middle east having the same religion for over a thousand years.

Your stupidity makes me smile if nothing else.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 4:17:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As of early 2005 the high ranking US military and US govt. officials new that the new Iragi govt. was going to be totally corrupt following a totally incompetent CPA and nobody from Bush on down...gave a shit. Oh...let's blame Obama who in 2009...was handed an absolute basket case.

The Iraqi police were a joke and the Army was a paper Army with as many as 60% that didn't exist and whose bogus salaries were being stolen.

Afghanistan...the same as the Bush admin. installed the loser in their elections. Oh...let's blame Obama.

Syria whose govt. no US admin ever contested, is now shown to be the butchers everybody knew they were. Oh...let's blame Obama.


Indeed, its akin to handing Obama a terminally ill patient then blaming Obama when the patient dies.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 5:14:31 PM   
Sanity


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Good point....... How much is due to the people of the middle east having the same religion for over a thousand years.



Spreads with the sword for a thousand years

And counting

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 5:21:29 PM   
Politesub53


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Good point....... How much is due to the people of the middle east having the same religion for over a thousand years.



Spreads with the sword for a thousand years

And counting


I said your stupidity makes me smile, nothing has changed.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/28/2014 5:27:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, Afghanistan has never had very long periods of stability.

Second, every western nation except Switzerland has interfered in the middle east, and most of the problems goes back to the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Boundaries were drawn without regard to the fact that they put ancestral enemies in the same country insuring that there would be internal fighting, then the countries that were chosen to administer the new areas only knew how to run colonies, using force, uh, deadly force, which created more problems.

In other words, the Western Nations can collectively fuck up a wet dream, and could not pour piss out of a boot with the instruction on the bottom of the heel.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/29/2014 2:53:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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Six years in and Obama isn't responsible for a single thing yet

Well like I've said and I am not alone...who knew it could take a generation to repair the damage done by what was easily the worst two term pres, in the nation's history...and by all measures ? (and it 5.5 years)
If your wife begs you to take in her brother until he gets back on his feet, he totals your car and burns your house down...who should she blame ?


If she's a Democrat, she should probably blame, W.



From any party, she should blame her brother W, not her husband for not fixing everything in less time it took to fuck things up.

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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/29/2014 3:00:55 AM   
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First, Afghanistan has never had very long periods of stability.

Second, every western nation except Switzerland has interfered in the middle east, and most of the problems goes back to the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Boundaries were drawn without regard to the fact that they put ancestral enemies in the same country insuring that there would be internal fighting, then the countries that were chosen to administer the new areas only knew how to run colonies, using force, uh, deadly force, which created more problems.

In other words, the Western Nations can collectively fuck up a wet dream, and could not pour piss out of a boot with the instruction on the bottom of the heel.

Yes, it is easy to blame westerners for continually over estimating their ability to change middle eastern culture. But it's even easier to blame Bush's 8 years for following that wretched path, squandering all of those lives and trillion$ in treasure with such abysmal incompetence, ridiculous chest beating and warmongering.


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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/29/2014 3:17:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First, Afghanistan has never had very long periods of stability.

Second, every western nation except Switzerland has interfered in the middle east, and most of the problems goes back to the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Boundaries were drawn without regard to the fact that they put ancestral enemies in the same country insuring that there would be internal fighting, then the countries that were chosen to administer the new areas only knew how to run colonies, using force, uh, deadly force, which created more problems.

In other words, the Western Nations can collectively fuck up a wet dream, and could not pour piss out of a boot with the instruction on the bottom of the heel.


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RE: Afghanistan - Syria - Iraq - 6/29/2014 1:49:42 PM   
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As these three nations remain unstable and in a state of civil war, how much of that instability is due to incompetent US meddling?

How could anyone think Democracy could be installed in IRAQ by an outside, Christian nation?

When did we become a Christian nation? Did someone amend the Constitution over the weekend?

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