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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/3/2014 8:20:40 PM   
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Well the right could claim they are all terrorists and support a war to take over say Mexico for starters...end of problem.

BTW, I am not so sure it is conservatives that are the problem, it's more today's repubs than conservatives.

Real conservatives are much more pragmatic and work for a solution rather than just sit back and whine at the current admin.


I see you're avoiding the reality that practically EVERYONE is complaining about this dishonest, lazy, corrupt, incompetent, low-down, lying racist shit bag currently occupying the White House

You WISH you were in the white house...keep dreamin big boy


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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/3/2014 8:29:19 PM   
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Many of us wishing someone at least competent were in the White House






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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/3/2014 8:35:10 PM   
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Recently, Gov. Rick Perry invited the President to the border to see what is happening in his state.
That if the border was a real issue, Texas, like the other states could simply call up their national guards to patrol the border. If they need US Military soldiers patrolling that border, it must be because those state troops are to stupid and dimwitted to do perform the task, right? No, its because those conservatives want the Americans in the other forty-six states to pay for it, so they don't have to have their taxes raised. Why should people in other states pay for something they will not benefit from directly? Massachusetts were I live, is far from that border; what would I and my fellow citizens gain by giving tax dollars to those states? The ones that are stonewalling the stuff I and others want accomplished in government?
But here is were conservatives just do not 'get it' on border security....
They could easily get what they want right now, *IF* they simply compromise with the President and Democrats on an abundant amount of issues. They'd have awesome border security by the end of the year if not the month, if they came forward with many good improvements on the ACA for example. Or a generous infrastructure improvement and building. Or even supporting a good immigration plan that Democrats want.
But, they don't, because that would be an intelligent way of solving a problem. And as seen in the Republican House on its second straight year of being 'useless to the American people' (i.e. the 2nd least productive Congress); being stupid, foolish, and dogmatic doesn't seem to be doing them any favors.


Right, and when a State pushes to use LEO to enforce Federal immigration law, the Left still opposes that, too.

Make up your mind, Joether. Do you want States to enforce immigration law or not?



First, I didn't know we only had 47 states (Bolded red font)?

DS, state LEOs (in some states) aren't even allowed to ask people for proof of immigration status.

I've said it before. I'll say it again: adopt an isolationist ideology and bring our troops home and put them on the border. Problem (mostly) solved.







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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/3/2014 8:37:02 PM   
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Well hell..... you just lost your own dream..... poor thing, you were doing so well too.
Self fullfilling prophesy strikes again...you arent having a good day are you....tsk tsk

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/3/2014 8:49:54 PM   
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Well hell..... you just lost your own dream..... poor thing, you were doing so well too.
Self fullfilling prophesy strikes again...you arent having a good day are you....tsk tsk


Wait...

I didn't post that, this was the part where you say "Yaa wale yore uh bigg dum dum dummy"






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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 3:51:32 AM   
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Recently, Gov. Rick Perry invited the President to the border to see what is happening in his state.
That if the border was a real issue, Texas, like the other states could simply call up their national guards to patrol the border. If they need US Military soldiers patrolling that border, it must be because those state troops are to stupid and dimwitted to do perform the task, right? No, its because those conservatives want the Americans in the other forty-six states to pay for it, so they don't have to have their taxes raised. Why should people in other states pay for something they will not benefit from directly? Massachusetts were I live, is far from that border; what would I and my fellow citizens gain by giving tax dollars to those states? The ones that are stonewalling the stuff I and others want accomplished in government?
But here is were conservatives just do not 'get it' on border security....
They could easily get what they want right now, *IF* they simply compromise with the President and Democrats on an abundant amount of issues. They'd have awesome border security by the end of the year if not the month, if they came forward with many good improvements on the ACA for example. Or a generous infrastructure improvement and building. Or even supporting a good immigration plan that Democrats want.
But, they don't, because that would be an intelligent way of solving a problem. And as seen in the Republican House on its second straight year of being 'useless to the American people' (i.e. the 2nd least productive Congress); being stupid, foolish, and dogmatic doesn't seem to be doing them any favors.

Right, and when a State pushes to use LEO to enforce Federal immigration law, the Left still opposes that, too.
Make up your mind, Joether. Do you want States to enforce immigration law or not?

First, I didn't know we only had 47 states (Bolded red font)?
DS, state LEOs (in some states) aren't even allowed to ask people for proof of immigration status.
I've said it before. I'll say it again: adopt an isolationist ideology and bring our troops home and put them on the border. Problem (mostly) solved.

Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?


Clearly a typo, DS. He obviously meant FIFTY-six states.

Make the Border Patrol a "halfway house" between active military and civilian life for all those military men and women who are capable of performing the duties. That will beef up the border patrol, as we bring our men and women home from abroad. I'm good with closing down our foreign bases, too. Cuts down on our imperialism.


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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 4:44:32 AM   
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Well the right could claim they are all terrorists and support a war to take over say Mexico for starters...end of problem.

BTW, I am not so sure it is conservatives that are the problem, it's more today's repubs than conservatives.

Real conservatives are much more pragmatic and work for a solution rather than just sit back and whine at the current admin.


I see you're avoiding the reality that practically EVERYONE is complaining about the White House

Must be the new math . . .

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 8:55:29 AM   
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Must be the new math . . .


The new poll

Surprising you havent heard of it



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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 9:43:40 AM   
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Must be the new math . . .

The new poll
Surprising you havent heard of it


It's really tough to gauge who was a better President by polling current voters. When you have a span of 69 years worth of Presidents, the younger the respondent, the less likely he/she is to actually have a clue about the older Presidents. I can honestly say that any President prior to Reagan isn't going to bring any direct experience from me, and Reagan's Presidency can only bring up non-political experiences. Did Quinnipiac U give adequate time for respondents to read up on the policies, and programs of each President under consideration and then give more time to weight those policies and programs against the state of society during those times? I doubt it. How can I rate Nixon and Carter when I wasn't old enough to understand what they were doing?

It's almost like arguing who was the best running back of all time, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, or Adrian Peterson. If you haven't seen all 4, how can you really have an informed opinion?


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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 9:51:14 AM   
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Good point. Everyone knows Bush and Obama though...

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 10:48:54 AM   
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It's really tough to gauge who was a better President by polling current voters. When you have a span of 69 years worth of Presidents, the younger the respondent, the less likely he/she is to actually have a clue about the older Presidents. I can honestly say that any President prior to Reagan isn't going to bring any direct experience from me, and Reagan's Presidency can only bring up non-political experiences. Did Quinnipiac U give adequate time for respondents to read up on the policies, and programs of each President under consideration and then give more time to weight those policies and programs against the state of society during those times? I doubt it. How can I rate Nixon and Carter when I wasn't old enough to understand what they were doing?

It's almost like arguing who was the best running back of all time, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, or Adrian Peterson. If you haven't seen all 4, how can you really have an informed opinion?



On further consideration...

I have memories of JFK, reminding us to ask not what our country can do for us, standing up to leftists on the world stage rather than ushering in our own failed Marxist state, and starting us on our trips to the moon so we could learn how to compete with the USSR's new missile successes. I recall LBJ and Vietnam, Nixon and Vietnam and China and Watergate, Ford, the pardon, and Vietnam, Carter and his misery index, basically telling us to turn off the thermostat and dim the lights because America's greatest days were over, and his mealy-mouthed response to the latest violent Islamic uprising

I served in the military under Reagan, very proudly. I recall him getting shot and joking about it while on the gurney, his thunderously challenging Gorbachev to "bring down this wall" while at the same time winning Gorbachev over with his charm and his wit

Bush the elder promised to not raise taxes but had to deal with the Dims, who forced him to raise taxes as a compromise with them, and then how the Dims used that against him in the next election

I remember Bill Clinton going on air to point his finger at us and lie to our faces about lying under oath to save his sorry ass from being sued by one of the women he had sexually harassed, and how the "war on women" leftists bitterly attacked the all of the women he had assaulted

And how all of that was misreported because of the side of the aisle Bill Clinton was on

And of course W, who was hounded relentlessly by the media. Dan Rather even had to resign for making shit up... Bill Clinton handed W a burst bubble economy and plotting 9/11 terrorists, and Clinton also handed W an ongoing hot conflict with Iraq. Every leftist on Capitol Hill had voiced grave concern about Saddam Hussein including both Clintons, Kerry, Gore, Reid, Pelosi, etc etc etc, and even voted to go in and yet when the WMDs had been moved to Syria before they could be discovered it had all been Bush's idea from the beginning to liberate the Iraqi people, and it was called "a war crime.."

Of course I know Obama, and his racist spiritual adviser "the reverend" Jeremiah Wright, and all of the scandals that basically go unreported, and how the media carries the sorry lying bastard

And I learned about all of the other presidents in school. Don't they teach history any more?

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:02:48 AM   
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Many of us wishing someone at least competent were in the White House


You got your wish once. His name was George W. Bush. The rest of America got the President they wanted in the form of President Obama. Its not the president's fault that Congress cant operate even at the most basic level. Nor is it the Democrats whom have been trying to get stuff done.

To bad conservatives and libertarians can not hold their political parties to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power, as they bitch every nanosecond towards President Obama and Democrats. Since if those people were to hold the people they vote into office to the same level, we'd have better government overnight.

But conservatives and libertarians keep voting idiots that could care less about government, and instead getting their ego's stroked and names into the history books. For those Republican/Tea Party, they could give a shit less about America! The US House of Representatives right now is the second most unproductive year since the United States has been active. The most unproductive year was last year! Who was controlling the House? The Republican/Tea Party.

Yeah, you hold your politicians to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power as the President. And I'm the Overlord of mankind, controlling everything...

Do us a favor, Sanity. When you can put your money where your mouth is, let us know. Until then, just keep your petty BS to yourself!

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:07:52 AM   
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You got your wish once. His name was George W. Bush. The rest of America got the President they wanted in the form of President Obama. Its not the president's fault that Congress cant operate even at the most basic level. Nor is it the Democrats whom have been trying to get stuff done.


After sizing Obama up the voters gave Barack the exact Congress they wanted him to have, and now a majority admit that they wish they had picked Romney instead of Barack last time



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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:33:48 AM   
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You got your wish once. His name was George W. Bush. The rest of America got the President they wanted in the form of President Obama. Its not the president's fault that Congress cant operate even at the most basic level. Nor is it the Democrats whom have been trying to get stuff done.

After sizing Obama up the voters gave Barack the exact Congress they wanted him to have, and now a majority admit that they wish they had picked Romney instead of Barack last time


Yeah, if you listen only to the conservative propaganda machines that have been running full time since 2002. Spewing complete lies onto a population that listens to it without question nor checking the information for accuracy.

The sad part about your BS, is that while President Obama has had some misteps, its NOTHING compared to all the problems George W. Bush created for this nation. Who created the US Deficit that was balanced in 1999? How the hell did that US Debt mushroom within eight years? By a President that promised he would never go into other nations and NATION BUILD? Where are all those mythical 'fiscal conservatives'? Don't hear one ounce of a sound from them during the entire length of George W. Bush's reign. But boy, have we heard them non-stop since President Obama came to office.

I can play this game all day, Sanity. And PWN YOU every step of the way. I can admit President Obama's mistakes, as all the other politicians I've voted on in my life. You cant do the same. Taken a step further. I can HOLD the people I voted into office to being accountable and responsible with power. You cant! The Republicans own Congress under both Clinton and Bush, Jr. Clinton was impeached for what? Lying about having an affair. What did Bush lie about? Getting the United States of America into a war in Iraq over false information. And it wasn't the intelligence communities fault either! How did you hold Republican Congress accountable and responsible with that power? You didn't. How about the Republican House of now? Not even an ounce!

Everyone on this forum that knows the facts, also knows your full of shit!

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:35:47 AM   
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I doubt you even own your right hand, joe

You are an idiot

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:36:40 AM   
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And I learned about all of the other presidents in school. Don't they teach history any more?


Sure, they do. But, isn't it better to have lived through those Presidencies than to take someone else's word for it? Was FDR a great President or a horrible one? That's likely going to fall down to political bent, unless you were there. Same with all the rest of the Presidents. History education is going to lean whichever way the people in charge of the book want it to. Same with the lesson plans.


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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:41:37 AM   
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I doubt you even own your right hand, joe

You are an idiot


Is that the best you can come up with? You just proved ALL OF MY POINTS

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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:47:21 AM   
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There are multiple realities. The reality as you see it, the reality as other people see it, and the reality itself

Accordingly there is the media spin regarding presidents (including movies, tv and magazines etc) and the spin put on the textbooks and by all of the pundits historically and in real time

Back in the day there was no Internet and people more or less had to believe what their newspaper said, or what the radio announcer guy told them, or what the talking head on their one black & white tv channel claimed as fact

"I am Walter Cronkite (Dan Rather), and thats the way it is."

Now though, someone like Barack gets found out despite the media, and someone like W gets exonerated despite the media

And while perception is everything, the truth is out there and it is available

Problem is all the people who willingly choose ignorance





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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:48:06 AM   
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And I learned about all of the other presidents in school. Don't they teach history any more?


Sure, they do. But, isn't it better to have lived through those Presidencies than to take someone else's word for it? Was FDR a great President or a horrible one? That's likely going to fall down to political bent, unless you were there. Same with all the rest of the Presidents. History education is going to lean whichever way the people in charge of the book want it to. Same with the lesson plans.


Which why I feel Americans should be taught to develop critical thinking skills. So they can determine on their own, which Presidents did well or not (rather than being told what to think). And how much was really their doing/fault, verse, "Good President, Bad Times". While most Americans like the Washington Administration; yet how many are educated on what happened during his time in office? Or Monoe? Or Coolidge?


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RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security - 7/4/2014 11:52:49 AM   
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Sure, they do. But, isn't it better to have lived through those Presidencies than to take someone else's word for it? Was FDR a great President or a horrible one? That's likely going to fall down to political bent, unless you were there. Same with all the rest of the Presidents. History education is going to lean whichever way the people in charge of the book want it to. Same with the lesson plans.

Which why I feel Americans should be taught to develop critical thinking skills. So they can determine on their own, which Presidents did well or not (rather than being told what to think). And how much was really their doing/fault, verse, "Good President, Bad Times". While most Americans like the Washington Administration; yet how many are educated on what happened during his time in office? Or Monoe? Or Coolidge?


I completely agree.

Are you feeling okay, though? You didn't attempt to drag conservatives through any muck in that post.


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