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jlf1961 -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/3/2014 3:44:41 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
Recently, Gov. Rick Perry invited the President to the border to see what is happening in his state.
That if the border was a real issue, Texas, like the other states could simply call up their national guards to patrol the border. If they need US Military soldiers patrolling that border, it must be because those state troops are to stupid and dimwitted to do perform the task, right? No, its because those conservatives want the Americans in the other forty-six states to pay for it, so they don't have to have their taxes raised. Why should people in other states pay for something they will not benefit from directly? Massachusetts were I live, is far from that border; what would I and my fellow citizens gain by giving tax dollars to those states? The ones that are stonewalling the stuff I and others want accomplished in government?
But here is were conservatives just do not 'get it' on border security....
They could easily get what they want right now, *IF* they simply compromise with the President and Democrats on an abundant amount of issues. They'd have awesome border security by the end of the year if not the month, if they came forward with many good improvements on the ACA for example. Or a generous infrastructure improvement and building. Or even supporting a good immigration plan that Democrats want.
But, they don't, because that would be an intelligent way of solving a problem. And as seen in the Republican House on its second straight year of being 'useless to the American people' (i.e. the 2nd least productive Congress); being stupid, foolish, and dogmatic doesn't seem to be doing them any favors.
Right, and when a State pushes to use LEO to enforce Federal immigration law, the Left still opposes that, too.
Make up your mind, Joether. Do you want States to enforce immigration law or not?
Oh? They cant hire more police officers to police the border? Turning those they find in violation over to the feds for processing? Because they do that already, if you haven't been following all these years. So 'yes', why cant they up their own damn taxes and solve the problem? Why should it be someone's else's problem? Last I checked, the largest unguarded border in the world is the USA/Canada border, and they don't seem to have a problem with illegal immigrants.
If there was an illegal immigrantion problem in my state, the citizens would hire more law enforcement in a show of 'good faith' before asking other Americans in other states to chip in. But then, we are Taxachusetts, not 'Oh I don't want to pay another penny in taxes' Texas.
Let us look at that one point first, Texas has an expected budget deficit of 340 billion dollars this year, so where is the money going to come from to pay these new law enforcement officers?
Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming have no state income tax, all have budget deficits, and every state save those with balanced budget requirements in their constitutions have budget deficits.
Really, you want to put that argument up, no illegals from Canada?
First, going north from Canada there is no country, unless you continue south from the pole to Russia, and I really dont see a bunch of illegal aliens from Siberia crossing the Arctic Ocean and the north pole to get to Canada and then the US.
With few exceptions, every country south of the US is a third world country. The majority of people live in housing we would not put a dog in. So they head north to the US.
Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming have no state income tax, all have budget deficits, and every state save those with balanced budget requirements in their constitutions have budget deficits.
Now, I am going to shock the hell out of you, are you ready?
It is the responsibility of the Federal to secure the borders, not the state's. If a local cop arrests a person that happens to be here illegally, they are allowed by law to notify INS, they cannot transport the illegal to an INS holding center, nor can they hold the illegal after bail has been posted for INS to pickup, if the judge denies bail, then it is not a problem, IF there is room in an INS holding facility, and there are agents available to pick them up.
Currently, INS holding centers are over crowded, and thanks to some wise guy putting Cuban Refugees in federal prisons to await processing in the 70's, if there is no room to hold illegal aliens, well they can, until jack asses start filling lawsuits.
So to help the problem, the conservatives and liberals funded this fence along the southern border, some of it is wall, some wire, some steel and all easy to go over, under, or through.
Then there is this little problem, only the Federal government can call up the National Guard to patrol the border, because it is an international border, and to do that, Congress has to approve, which costs federal tax dollars, because it is a Federal problem.
Now, you could have an amendment to the Constitution passed that would allow the border states to police the borders, which would be cool with most conservatives, however, liberals would scream bloody murder about it.
Now, if we were to pull every American Service person out of Afghanistan and put them patrolling the border,it would save a few hundred billion dollars.
Then there is the last option.
Deputize all the members of private militias that liberals don't trust cause they are gun owning lunatics, and have them patrol the border. Have those men and women pulled into the state defense forces (Constitutionally Allowed) and then you just have to pay them a flat fee per day to patrol the border. The lunatic gun owners get to chase down and detain illegals legally, liberals can scream and file lawsuits.
Now the bonus is that we have untrained people performing a federal law enforcement function, which means the Federal Government can get sued left and right.
Now as a gun loving and owning lunatic that happens to belong to the Texas State Militia, I kinda like the deputize the militia lunatics option, that way when the drug smugglers and coyotes (people smugglers) start shooting, then all of us gon owning lunatics can use up ammo we have stock piled.
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