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Musicmystery -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/10/2014 10:20:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage We're supposed to be the beacon on the hill. Only in Reagan's fantasies and speeches. And Jefferson, Washington, Madison, Adams, Franklin, etc. If the term American Exceptionalism has too much baggage for you these days, just call it what it is--leading by example. Nothing wrong with that, right? Reagan called it a shining city on a hill. Tell me . . . what did Jefferson, Washington, Madison, Adams, Franklin, etc. call it? Not sure what you're getting at. Reagan had flaws, so America is just another country? Way to evade. Not at all "what I'm getting at."

hot4bondage -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/11/2014 7:29:52 AM)
So I should just keep guessing? Ok... It seems like you might be conflating force-fed-neo-con-Reagan-leg-humping "democracy" (e.g. Iraq) with ideals that should be emulated everywhere, like unalienable rights. Don't let those bastards make you forget why France gave us that statue. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"--Emma Lazarus

Musicmystery -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/11/2014 7:47:48 AM)
Well, you could just not make shit up, and when deciding what I think, go by what I've actually posted. You're so mired in stereotypical labels that you're trashing about your label box looking for one. Actual people are more complex than that.

hot4bondage -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/11/2014 11:20:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, you could just not make shit up, and when deciding what I think, go by what I've actually posted. You're so mired in stereotypical labels that you're trashing about your label box looking for one. Actual people are more complex than that. You said that the notion of the US as a beacon on the hill only exists in Reagan's fantasies and speeches. Reagan was born in 1911. The plaque on the Statue of Liberty referring to her "beacon hand" was placed in 1903. So you're wrong. More importantly, why are you associating that notion with Reagan exclusively?

Musicmystery -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/11/2014 11:36:46 AM)
You added a bunch of presidents. I asked for when they said that. You couldn't answer, so you went off on tangent rants. Here's some news for you. A plaque doesn't create reality. And even if it did, it's a beacon to immigrants. I'm pretty sure that welcome mat has been strongly revoked. The only shining thing here is firearms. We simply aren't the paragon Reagan pretended. In fact, Reagan helped kill off what shine we had.

hot4bondage -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/11/2014 1:46:27 PM)
You changed the quote after I added the other names. I was talking about the US as an example for others to follow, not just the "shining city" quote that Reagan lifted from a puritan. We've always been a beacon on the hill. That's why France asked Jefferson to help write their constitution. And they're not the only ones. From Wiki: Some other countries that used the Declaration as inspiration or directly copied sections from it is the Haitian declaration of 1 January 1804 from the Haitian Revolution, the United Provinces of New Granada in 1811, the Argentine Declaration of Independence in 1816, the Chilean Declaration of Independence in 1818, Costa Rica in 1821, El Salvador in 1821, Guatemala in 1821, Honduras in (1821), Mexico in 1821, Nicaragua in 1821, Peru in 1821, Bolivian War of Independence in 1825, Uruguay in 1825, Ecuador in 1830, Colombia in 1831, Paraguay in 1842, Dominican Republic in 1844, Texas Declaration of Independence in March 1836, California Republic in November 1836, Hungarian Declaration of Independence in 1849, Declaration of the Independence of New Zealand in 1835, and the Czechoslovak declaration of independence from 1918 drafted in Washington D.C. with Gutzon Borglum among the drafters. The Rhodesian declaration of independence, ratified in November 1965, is based on the American one as well, however, it omits the phrase "all men are created equal", along with "the consent of the governed". I can also assure you that the welcome mat is still there. Over 9,000 immigrants became US citizens last week as a part of our celebration of Independence Day.

Sanity -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/11/2014 3:03:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage So I should just keep guessing? Ok... It seems like you might be conflating force-fed-neo-con-Reagan-leg-humping "democracy" (e.g. Iraq) with ideals that should be emulated everywhere, like unalienable rights. Don't let those bastards make you forget why France gave us that statue. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"--Emma Lazarus Actually, leftists such as MM HATE traditional American ideals like "unalienable rights" Directly contradicts their ideals, such as Obamacare (wealth redistribution) etc

mnottertail -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/12/2014 7:46:01 AM)
Actually, rightists such as nity HATE traditional American ideals like "unalienable rights" Directly contradicts their ideals, such as breaking unions, denying a living minimum wage, free market communism, to insure wealth redistribution to corporations only etc

Musicmystery -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/14/2014 7:21:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage You changed the quote after I added the other names. Nope.

thishereboi -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/14/2014 7:57:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage So I should just keep guessing? Ok... It seems like you might be conflating force-fed-neo-con-Reagan-leg-humping "democracy" (e.g. Iraq) with ideals that should be emulated everywhere, like unalienable rights. Don't let those bastards make you forget why France gave us that statue. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"--Emma Lazarus Actually, leftists such as MM HATE traditional American ideals like "unalienable rights" Directly contradicts their ideals, such as Obamacare (wealth redistribution) etc No MM does not hate traditional american ideals like 'unalienable rights" why do you feel the need to lie to make a point? do you honestly think that helps you in any way? [:(]

Tkman117 -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/14/2014 8:12:31 AM)
The reason is because extremists don't care about truth as long as they get what they want.

PeonForHer -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/14/2014 1:55:36 PM)
quote: Some other countries that used the Declaration as inspiration or directly copied sections from it is the Haitian declaration of 1 January 1804 from the Haitian Revolution, the United Provinces of New Granada in 1811, the Argentine Declaration of Independence in 1816, the Chilean Declaration of Independence in 1818, Costa Rica in 1821, El Salvador in 1821, Guatemala in 1821, Honduras in (1821), Mexico in 1821, Nicaragua in 1821, Peru in 1821, Bolivian War of Independence in 1825, Uruguay in 1825, Ecuador in 1830, Colombia in 1831, Paraguay in 1842, Dominican Republic in 1844, Texas Declaration of Independence in March 1836, California Republic in November 1836, Hungarian Declaration of Independence in 1849, Declaration of the Independence of New Zealand in 1835, and the Czechoslovak declaration of independence from 1918 drafted in Washington D.C. with Gutzon Borglum among the drafters. The Rhodesian declaration of independence, ratified in November 1965, is based on the American one as well, however, it omits the phrase "all men are created equal", along with "the consent of the governed". Most of those places are stellar examples of what the great traditions of the USA are all about, hot4bondage, perhaps thanks in part to the Declaration. But what went wrong with e.g. New Zealand? That seems to be a place where people put very little effort into ripping each other off, ramming religion down everyone's throats and killing one another.

MrRodgers -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/14/2014 3:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage So I should just keep guessing? Ok... It seems like you might be conflating force-fed-neo-con-Reagan-leg-humping "democracy" (e.g. Iraq) with ideals that should be emulated everywhere, like unalienable rights. Don't let those bastards make you forget why France gave us that statue. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"--Emma Lazarus Actually, leftists such as MM HATE traditional American ideals like "unalienable rights" Directly contradicts their ideals, such as Obamacare (wealth redistribution) etc Now I know I want to try your drugs. Obama care is the antithesis of wealth redistribution TO the poor. If I am healthy and don't need medical insurance, I'll just use ER care and YOU can pay of it...the typical rightist theory of the day. Now we could discuss the new wealth distributed to insurance companies and to the maximized profit medical practitioners. Obama care isn't reform, it merely increases and rearranges the profits and mostly to the investor class. If health care wasn't ALL about the fucking money...we'd have a national, single-payer, health care regime. Instead, don't you dare make everybody including the healthy buy insurance so when they need it...YOU don't have to pay for it. Can't do that. Hell man...you'd prefer to pay for my ER care in your premiums rather than force me...right ? I begin to think you are just fuck'n with us man...the imaginary world you live in. Capitalism IS wealth redistribution...from labor to capital and is as top heavy as it is because it's been going on for well over 150 years and is getting worse.

Lucylastic -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/14/2014 5:33:17 PM)
income inequality.... wealth distribution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfgSEwjAeno

Sanity -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/15/2014 12:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi No MM does not hate traditional american ideals like 'unalienable rights" why do you feel the need to lie to make a point? do you honestly think that helps you in any way? [:(] Its cute how naive and gullible some people can be

Musicmystery -> RE: Who do we think we are II ? (7/15/2014 5:59:43 AM)
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