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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:14:45 AM   
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You shouldn't be allowed to own any firearms. I'm astonished you don't hurt yourself with a BB gun.


When leftists have nothing else, they project.


And they make things up trying to sound as though they know what they're talking about.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:17:20 AM   
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And you are simply wrong about bolts and semi's. A semi does buck more than a bolt. The recoil is felt more because the gas moves various parts that operate the reload while in a bolt it simply comes straight into you. If you actually ever target shot you'd know that. There is a reason the Marines fought for years to keep their bolt action sniper rifles.


That's not the conventional wisdom, or my experience.

I always certainly felt less recoil with a semi. While there's some reduction caused by the return of the gas, I think the total recoil is about the same - If you're chucking lead up range at the same speed using two different guns newton's law dictates that the total backward pressure will be pretty much the same. I think that with a semi, though, the recoil energy is dissipated over a longer time.

I am not an expert




What do you know ? Ken is the expert. Get a shotgun.


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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:28:13 AM   
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...a bolt will tend to have less felt recoil that is why sharp shooters prefer bolts over semis.


Who knew ? And all these years I thought semi autos had less recoil and sharp shooters on average prefer bolt guns because you can tweek more mechanical accuracy out of them.

The entire gun shooting world made the same mistake you did.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:34:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		When the 2nd was written, blacks were considered 3/5ths of a white person. Women were not allowed to vote. George Washington was not President. And the colonized numbered just thirteen.


Another popular leftist misconception.
Slaves, not blacks, were counted as 3/5 of their actual number for purposed of representation in the House, and only for that purposes. This meant that South Carolina, which was about 50% slave only had 4/5 the representation in the house that their actual population would have earned them.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:35:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find it curious that multitudes of conservatives blame Muslims for 9/11.

I consider them to be heretics, so once again you are barking up the wrong tree.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:41:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		What if I said I lost someone dear in that horrifying event? Would it sound so funny and amusing? That conservatives complain Muslims worldwide can not apologize for 9/11, yet feel they should get a free pass for 4/19? How hypocritical is that?

At no point did I say it was in any way amusing.
It is in poor taste to condemn the actions of a few.
The entire right condemned and disavowed Oklahoma City, something Muslims have not done concerning 9/11 so you blew it again.
BTW those people, who were disavowed by the militias. had no more in common with the Tea Party than you do.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:43:42 AM   
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A while back, I started a thread pointing out the commonplace ignorance of guns among the anti-gun crowd. An article I ran across today takes it quite a bit further, pointing out the widespread ignorance of pretty much anything beyond their own opinions in the media community. I thought It was a good read, with some pretty darn amusing links embedded throughout. Enjoy!


http://thefederalist.com/2014/07/09/media-ignorance-becoming-serious-problem/




Yeah, well that goes both ways. I think a down home boy conservative would be like a fish out of water in Portland. He would walk into a Starbucks and ask for a cup of coffee and when asked if he wanted blonde he would likely respond with a hard-on.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:46:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Consistent' you say? How about wisdom? Would that not make for a better way of experiencing liberty?

First you say we should hold people to the arms standards of the day, then when I point out what that would actually mean you claim that your own standard is invalid claiming that "wisdom" trumps everything else. And no changing everything to fit your whims would not be a better way to experience liberty, freedom does not flow from regulation.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:48:50 AM   
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BTW those people, who were disavowed by the militias.


I believe you are talking about the CSA West Virginia Militia or perhaps the Tri-Cities minutemen. But the latter will not fight nor comment on anything during tobacco, fishing and hunting season or on Saturday nights.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:50:22 AM   
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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:52:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		it doesn't even matter what the libs are doing.....it just doesn't....and the reason is because their is no real opposition to them. The republican party is all but in cahoots..... Red meat after piece of red meat is given to the republican and crickets are lucky to be heard....... You can scream about Obama, reid and Pelosi all you want.......but until the idea that the republican needs more moderates is blown out of the water? Get use to the idea that your liberties are going to be gone. Your guns, your property, you kids, your money, your life... GONE!

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:53:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		"a down home boy conservative would be like a fish out of water in Portland" and Upstate NY LOL but maybe not NYC , On the subject of Guns there ar only Long Rifles a man (or Woman) needs one is the No.4 Mk1 Lee Enfield and the L1A1 :)

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:54:41 AM   
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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:57:47 AM   
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How do you think the gas gets back to the action?
It goes into a tube near the muzzle it then is directed back to the action.
When it hits that turn sending it back to the action it reduces the recoil.
Anyone who knows a quarter of what you pretend to knows this, why don't you?
You have just given a demonstration of what this thread is about.

Do you have a fucking clue what you are talking about?
Do you know physics at all?

When you fire a weapon that doesn't have some sort of gas operated reload you feel the entire recoil directly back into your shoulder. When you fire a gas operated weapon you feel almost the same recoil, the difference is miniscule, but it is in your shoulder and every other point where you are in contact with the gun and it makes the gun after go off target (the recoil operation is what makes semis rise after each shot).
Please at least learn something about what you are talking about.

Congratulations you have just beaten you all time stupid comment record.
Distributing the recoil means more recoil than sending it directly to you, how stupid can you be.
What you more closely talked about is a straight blow back automatic where some of the recoil is used to work the action.
This too lessens the recoil.
A bolt is more accurate in skilled hands and Marines wouldn't complain about recoil if it broke their shoulder.
The .223 was not designed to kill, it was designed to disable, a wounded enemy does more damage than a dead one.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 10:58:05 AM   
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"a down home boy conservative would be like a fish out of water in Portland" and Upstate NY LOL but maybe not NYC , On the subject of Guns there ar only Long Rifles a man (or Woman) needs one is the No.4 Mk1 Lee Enfield and the L1A1 :)


Yup. Some good ole boys are smart enough to go for range over automatic firepower. Long rifles are the trick. Drop em in their tracks before they can bring those fancy semi-automatic carbines into range.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 11:00:34 AM   
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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 11:18:13 AM   
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BTW those people, who were disavowed by the militias.


I believe you are talking about the CSA West Virginia Militia or perhaps the Tri-Cities minutemen. But the latter will not fight nor comment on anything during tobacco, fishing and hunting season or on Saturday nights.

In fact McVeigh showed up at a couple of militia meetings and they ran him off. They considered him to be a nutcase.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 11:21:24 AM   
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"a down home boy conservative would be like a fish out of water in Portland" and Upstate NY LOL but maybe not NYC , On the subject of Guns there ar only Long Rifles a man (or Woman) needs one is the No.4 Mk1 Lee Enfield and the L1A1 :)


Yup. Some good ole boys are smart enough to go for range over automatic firepower. Long rifles are the trick. Drop em in their tracks before they can bring those fancy semi-automatic carbines into range.

I prefer the Springfield 03A3 or Mauser 98 but that is a matter of taste.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 11:37:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason the RINOs are such a problem is that the Democrats are no longer liberals, but leftists. It annoys me to no end (and I have personally written to a number of national columnists on this) that they characterize Obama as a "liberal." Of course, he's a die-hard leftist, Chavez in sheep's clothing. To fight leftists, you need Barry Goldwater, not John "lay me down while they trample me" Boehner. We shouldn't hate real liberals; we should regard them as the opposition. We should hate leftists and defeat them by any lawful means possible, which includes digging up dirt on their personal backgrounds and destroying them in campaigns. It's what they do to conservatives. Can't go to the OK Corral with a twig.

The other issue concerns the definition of moderate. We need pro-defense, pro economic liberty, pro-Constitution conservatives. We don't know anti-gay-marriage, anti-abortion, pro-6,000-year Earth religious right conservatives. Because regardless of one's views, these issues will lose the independents and many of the libertarians.

With candidates like that, then you are spot on with your "GONE!" comment.

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it doesn't even matter what the libs are doing.....it just doesn't....and the reason is because their is no real opposition to them. The republican party is all but in cahoots..... Red meat after piece of red meat is given to the republican and crickets are lucky to be heard....... You can scream about Obama, reid and Pelosi all you want.......but until the idea that the republican needs more moderates is blown out of the water? Get use to the idea that your liberties are going to be gone. Your guns, your property, you kids, your money, your life... GONE!


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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/12/2014 11:39:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not only that, but many of the latest nutcases have in fact been left-wing Democrats, although it's important to recognize that a psycho is a psycho period. Leftists don't do that of course and so they brand every mass-killer as a conservative even if he's carrying Mao's Little Red Book in his pocket.

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BTW those people, who were disavowed by the militias.


I believe you are talking about the CSA West Virginia Militia or perhaps the Tri-Cities minutemen. But the latter will not fight nor comment on anything during tobacco, fishing and hunting season or on Saturday nights.

In fact McVeigh showed up at a couple of militia meetings and they ran him off. They considered him to be a nutcase.


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