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njlauren -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/14/2014 10:15:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom Absolutely correct. I should have been clearer here, to wit, there's no point in impeachment because conviction in the Senate is impossible. If there is a strong case for impeachment, outside of petty political bickering, they should impeach asap. There is zero reason to not impeach. If there is strong evidence that proves the articles of impeachment to be correct, We the People will see it, and the Democrats in the Senate will end up with egg on their face if they don't find the President guilty. I think the House is "suing" just for grandstanding and the GOP leadership don't believe they have a strong case to bring forth Articles of Impeachment. If conviction is impossible articles of impeachment would only be used to "prove" that the Reps are extremists no matter how strong the case. See the Clinton impeachment when Dem senators like Byrd said the charges were impeachable and that he was clearly guilty but voted to acquit because there was less than 2 years left in his term. And as you see it is an article of faith that it was a purely political impeachment. "If you strike at the King you must kill him" (don't impeach unless you can win) Byrd's statement was that the impeachment was too blatantly partisan and that 2/3rds of the American people did not want Clinton removed from office so he would not vote to convict. http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/byrd.html But you nuts go ahead and try, try again. You're never going to be satisfied till you actually do get a Democrat. So keep trying. He said that perjury is an impeachable offense and that he had no doubt that Clinton was guilty. The rest was window dressing. If it was guilty that is all that matters. As for the rest of your BS, you will never hear me saying that Nixon should have been acquitted even though there was massive political motivation in his prosecution. You should also note that it was Sen Baker (R TN) who asked the definitive question in the hearings "what did the President know and when did he know it?" Also Nixon resigned because Goldwater and two other Rep Sen told him to. If Clinton had been a Republican I would have favored impeachment and it would have been successful because some Republican Senators would have voted guilty. Politics in the Nixon prosecution? You've lost it. There was no prosecution to start with. There was an investigation. An investigation that so disgusted the Senate Republicans that they told him he was going to get convicted so he resigned rather than face the inevitable. Honestly I think a lot of what is wrong today traces back to Nixon. Not actually RMN but the true believers who had it stick in their craw that their guy, their precious anti communist guy, was a paranoid who broke the law with impunity and was simply not worthy of the office. So they set out to prove that it was the Democrats fault somehow someway and that hatred has taken hold 2 generations later in ways I don't think you guys even understand. You either did not watch the hearings or as always remember it different than it happened. This is quite possible since you already forgot that I said I didn't defend Nixon. Republicans had the character to go against a sitting Republican President, in the Clinton affair no Democrat did. Both times the Dems voted a straight party line. Nixon was guilty. You understand that, right. Clinton's impeachment was much like Johnson's. it was strictly a matter of politics. Civil suits against sitting Presidents shouldn't be allowed to proceed while they are in office. The conflicts are enormous and of course the President's political enemies will try and get involved which will sully what is supposed to be an impartial hearing. We will never know whether Paula Jones was actually harassed since she let herself get tied up with the fringe nuts who think the Clinton are serial killers amongst many other wild accusations. 2/3rds of the country believed the Clinton impeachment was political and that he should not have been impeached. Which ultimately is what will drive any successful future impeachment. Whatever crime the President does has got to convince the overwhelming majority of Americans that he has got to go. It is insufficient that the right wing echo chamber believes it. You have to convince the ret of us and that simply didn't happen then and isn't happening now.. Impeachment is supposed to be about high crimes and misdemeanors which is about malfeasance in performing his duties. Clinton getting a blowjob from that pathetic woman was repugnant, but impeachable? A high crime is generally defined as treason, and a high misdemeanor would be something like accepting bribes, or bribing people, or otherwise subverting the government. Nixon's crimes were many, the whole watergate break in was just one part of things, he used the power of the government to harass political enemies, the secret bombing of Cambodia, which congress had forbidden, was another one; his administration, with his knowledge, also paid off people to keep them quiet, and in several cases suborned perjury, basically paid people off to lie, and all of them are major offenses. His actions were truly criminal, whereas Clinton's was primarily an embarassment. The IRS caper is nowhere near that level, among other things, there is zero proof that anyone told the IRS to do what they did, and in some ways it appears that the IRS personnel who took the action did so because they felt that tea party groups and such were more likely to misuse the filing, which was wrong but didn't seem to fall into criminal intent, it was more like doing the wrong thing, even if there reasons were not malicious.

DomKen -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/14/2014 10:21:32 PM)
They just can't believe that Obama really is clean. They keep thinking they've finally found THE SCANDAL and then Issa goes at it for a few months and it turns out to be nothing, except on the lunatic fringe right wing blogs and in Louie Gohmert's head. Fast and Furious. nothing. Benghazi, nothing. IRS, nothing. Bergdahl, nothing. The border stuff. nothing. It's sad really. Maybe some mid level White House staffers should throw them a bone a cook up a juicy sex scandal.

subrosaDom -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/14/2014 10:27:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen They just can't believe that Obama really is clean. They keep thinking they've finally found THE SCANDAL and then Issa goes at it for a few months and it turns out to be nothing, except on the lunatic fringe right wing blogs and in Louie Gohmert's head. Fast and Furious. nothing. Benghazi, nothing. IRS, nothing. Bergdahl, nothing. The border stuff. nothing. It's sad really. Maybe some mid level White House staffers should throw them a bone a cook up a juicy sex scandal. I can believe that Obama is really clean. But only when I'm on a bender. In fact, everything you stated above is not only reprehensible but a scandal. In contrast, while Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress, he was lying about a blow job. So I thought that was still foolish. Clinton had a chance to get bin Laden (he didn't lie about it; he simply passed). That was far worse. But it wasn't impeachable. Clinton is certainly not my favorite President but unlike Obama, he was legitimately extremely intelligent and he actually understood the law. Second, he wasn't trying to destroy the US. Even Jimmy Carter wasn't. Carter was naive, but patriotic. I don't question his motives any more than I question George McGovern's. Obama -- utterly different and utterly traitorous. The nation would be well served if he did nothing but play golf 24/7 from now until 1/20/16.

DomKen -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/14/2014 11:25:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen They just can't believe that Obama really is clean. They keep thinking they've finally found THE SCANDAL and then Issa goes at it for a few months and it turns out to be nothing, except on the lunatic fringe right wing blogs and in Louie Gohmert's head. Fast and Furious. nothing. Benghazi, nothing. IRS, nothing. Bergdahl, nothing. The border stuff. nothing. It's sad really. Maybe some mid level White House staffers should throw them a bone a cook up a juicy sex scandal. I can believe that Obama is really clean. But only when I'm on a bender. In fact, everything you stated above is not only reprehensible but a scandal. In contrast, while Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress, he was lying about a blow job. So I thought that was still foolish. Clinton had a chance to get bin Laden (he didn't lie about it; he simply passed). That was far worse. But it wasn't impeachable. Clinton is certainly not my favorite President but unlike Obama, he was legitimately extremely intelligent and he actually understood the law. Second, he wasn't trying to destroy the US. Even Jimmy Carter wasn't. Carter was naive, but patriotic. I don't question his motives any more than I question George McGovern's. Obama -- utterly different and utterly traitorous. The nation would be well served if he did nothing but play golf 24/7 from now until 1/20/16. You've lost touch with reality. Obama has done nothing but try his best to improve things for this country. Millions more of us have health coverage now. The auto industry did not collapse. Bin Laden is dead. We are out of Iraq and we are getting out of Afghanistan. Qaddafi, who did try and recruit a US street gang to become terrorists inside the US, is dead. The stock market is soaring. Corporate profits are back to pre crash levels. You may not like him but come on this nonsense about him destroying the country? You need some evidence and the clear evidence is every action the man takes is to improve the country.

Kirata -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 1:25:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You've lost touch with reality... the clear evidence is every action the man takes is to improve the country. If you like your post, you can keep your post. K.

mnottertail -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 5:09:02 AM)
Thats great!!!! Except moderators, like insurance companies, can put the lie to that.

Musicmystery -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 5:56:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You've lost touch with reality... the clear evidence is every action the man takes is to improve the country. If you like your post, you can keep your post. K. I still have mine. Don't you?

Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:02:21 AM)
I'm going to say this very slowly, so the liberals in the audience can understand. Bill Clinton D-I-D N-O-T get impeached for getting a blowjob. He was impeached for L-Y-I-N-G to Congress, under oath. waves hand OK, continue.

mnottertail -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:05:22 AM)
And I will say this slowly for the nutsackers. He wasn't impeached, the house presented a bill of impeachment to the senate, which laughed at that dogshit, and Clinton wiped his ass with it. Same thing as the repeal of Obamacare number 58 or whatever, didnt happen in reality.

Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:06:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You've lost touch with reality. Obama has done nothing but try his best to improve things for this country. Millions more of us have health coverage now. The auto industry did not collapse. Bin Laden is dead. We are out of Iraq and we are getting out of Afghanistan. Qaddafi, who did try and recruit a US street gang to become terrorists inside the US, is dead. The stock market is soaring. Corporate profits are back to pre crash levels. You may not like him but come on this nonsense about him destroying the country? You need some evidence and the clear evidence is every action the man takes is to improve the country. Millions of us have lost the good insurance coverage that WE had selected, and were forced to buy shittier coverage. The auto industry would have collapsed if it wasn't for the constant injections of massive amounts of money. OUR money. Going to make up for the shitty designs and horrible quality of GM. Yeah, let's have another 50,000+-vehicle recall. Bin Laden is dead, thanks to the intelligence work of the last decade. Under Obama's traitorous ROE's, more soldiers died per year in Iraq and Afghanistan on his watch, than in the previous years. So, we may be "getting out", but there are a lot more body bags. Oh, and don't liberals hate capitalism and greedy evil corporations?

Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:09:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail And I will say this slowly for the nutsackers. He wasn't impeached, the house presented a bill of impeachment to the senate, which laughed at that dogshit, and Clinton wiped his ass with it. Same thing as the repeal of Obamacare number 58 or whatever, didnt happen in reality. And I will say this even slower, for the dancing morons. He WAS impeached, he just wasn't convicted on that impeachment. Look up the difference.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:18:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren Impeachment is supposed to be about high crimes and misdemeanors which is about malfeasance in performing his duties. Clinton getting a blowjob from that pathetic woman was repugnant, but impeachable? Clinton wasn't impeached for getting a blowjob, but for lying under oath. Interesting how that gets twisted so often. Wait. No it isn't. quote: The IRS caper is nowhere near that level, among other things, there is zero proof that anyone told the IRS to do what they did, ... Completely agree.

Lucylastic -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:25:21 AM)
WHich is exactly why he wont be impeached and why Boehner is using the "sue" ploy, which has little chance of making it anywhere beyond the cartoons when all is said and done.

DomKen -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:38:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mouth4Mistress quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You've lost touch with reality. Obama has done nothing but try his best to improve things for this country. Millions more of us have health coverage now. The auto industry did not collapse. Bin Laden is dead. We are out of Iraq and we are getting out of Afghanistan. Qaddafi, who did try and recruit a US street gang to become terrorists inside the US, is dead. The stock market is soaring. Corporate profits are back to pre crash levels. You may not like him but come on this nonsense about him destroying the country? You need some evidence and the clear evidence is every action the man takes is to improve the country. Millions of us have lost the good insurance coverage that WE had selected, and were forced to buy shittier coverage. Very few people have worse coverage. That is right wing lies. quote: The auto industry would have collapsed if it wasn't for the constant injections of massive amounts of money. OUR money. Going to make up for the shitty designs and horrible quality of GM. Yeah, let's have another 50,000+-vehicle recall. If GM and Chrysler had been allowed to collapse that would have wiped out both the 2 million+ jobs the companied employed directly plus the millions more in the businesses that supplied parts to them. In the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression. That would have essentially shut down our economy. Is that what you really wanted?

mnottertail -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 6:41:38 AM)
One more for the slobbering shitbreathers: The Constitution, Article I, Section 3: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishment, according to Law. And every bill must pass house and senate to become a law, and the two-thirds is needed to make it veto proof. A snip of the Senate rules regarding impeachments....... I. Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person, and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment agreeably to said notice. II. When the managers of an impeachment shall be introduced at the bar of the Senate and shall signify that they are ready to exhibit articles of impeachment against any person, the Presiding Officer of the Senate shall direct the Sergeant-at-Arms to make proclamation, who shall, after making proclamation, repeat the following words, viz: "All persons are commanded to keep silence, on pain of imprisonment, while the House of Representatives is exhibiting to the Senate of the United States articles of impeachment against ______ ________;" after which the articles shall be exhibited, and then the Presiding Officer of the Senate shall inform the managers that the Senate will take proper order on the subject of the impeachment, of which due notice shall be given to the House of Representatives. III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if so ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles, and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays excepted) after the trial shall commence (unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may in its judgment be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment the Presiding Officer shall administer the oath hereinafter provided to the members of the Senate then present, and to the other members .................yadda yadda yadda......... Note that a house impeachment is a resolution. Resolution Impeaching William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. It is a mere expression of opinion, not an impeachment unless the Senate tries it and concurs with 2/3rds. http://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-system/presidential-impeachment-the-legal-standard-and-procedure.html So, regardless of the 58th 'repeal' of Obamacare by slobbering imbecilic nutsackers, it is not repealed.

Musicmystery -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 7:17:10 AM)
It's why they oppose money for NEH -- they don't like the competition from other theater groups.

mnottertail -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 7:21:43 AM)
Well, I say tie my shoes (when I mean tie my shoelaces) so I understand the use of 'Clinton was impeached'; colloquially speaking; but if one comes here and mordantly cants, one should be punctilious factually, doncha think?

Musicmystery -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 7:26:31 AM)
Agreed. But their Congressional heroes are not good role models in this area.

Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 7:31:34 AM)
@Dancing Moron: I said he was impeached but not convicted. You dumped a bedsheet of text saying the same thing. Were you trying to argue with me, or substantiating my point? Looks like the latter.

mnottertail -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/15/2014 7:33:32 AM)
Their heros have always been cowboys, or tailgunners, or hipshooters, or faceshooters, or cretins. Ah, but I repeat myself.

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