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njlauren -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/14/2014 10:08:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Absolutely correct. I should have been clearer here, to wit, there's no point in impeachment because conviction in the Senate is impossible.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
I'd like Obama impeached, although that's impossible today given the composition of the Senate. So we'll have to settle for Lois Lerner's being put into jail and ratting on The Great One. Then even Dems would have to vote for impeachment (well, enough of them: 33 needn't turn at all).
Biden is maybe an idiot or perhaps it's a vaudeville act, but I don't think he hates the US and he lacks the support Obama has. You can't oppose Joe Biden and be called a racist. The country would benefit from a Biden presidency (as compared to an Obama one). Also Biden has some political chops. He'd actually talk to the Republicans. Not sure if that's good or bad for us, but I do believe he'd talk.
The Senate has nothing to do with the President being impeached or not. That is completely under the authority of the House of Representatives. The Senate tries the President after he is impeached. It could be the Senate won't find him guilty, but the House passes Articles of Impeachment without any action needed by the Senate.
To impeach Obama they would need to have proof that Obama had something to do with the IRS incident, that he ordered it, and the problem is there is zero proof of it. If they try to impeach Obama, and if they succeed, it will simply make the GOP look even worse than they do right now, they will be seen as the party of racist white guys out to lynch a black president, period. The only people who believe the IRS incident is criminal are the GOP base, and the rest of the country quite frankly is tired of them. Between the tea party wack jobs, the religious right and a sack of shit like John Boehner who is the worst speaker of the house, probably in history, people look at the GOP more and more as the party of crackpots and idiots like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. Besides the fact that the Senate would never vote to remove him from office, barring some major revelation, all the GOP would do is make them look like they often are, the ranting white people's party of the confederacy, and that is the last thing they need. Among other things, other than the Koch Brothers, I think the big money guys would as a whole be pissed off, because they know that if the GOP keeps up with this nonsense, that it will make it likely that their slide in national elections will continue.
Among other things, unlike the nixon era IRS shenanigans, the IRS didn't use its resources to 'get' anyone, at most, the data suggests the IRS might have given more scrutiny to tea party groups filing for 501c4 status, and possibly delayed approvals for some of the groups, but that is way different than the IRS being used to intimidate opponents and such, I doubt very much it would rank up their with the Nixon era high crimes and misdemeanors.
It also shows the desperation of the GOP that they are still pushing this crap, when everyone else moved on. The FBI found nothing in its investigation, and those responsible for what happened have been reprimanded or fired, and there isn't one shred of evidence that anyone told the IRS to do what they did, so it comes down to questionable activity on the part of a few people, not a conspiracy. The GOP knows they are losing ground with the economy, which is picking up along with consumer confidence,they know that young people think the GOP is the party of the CHristian taliban, and a large percentage of the population despises the Tea Party, which the GOP cannot seem to control, and as a result, they have to grasp anything they can. I doubt Joe Biden could talk to the republicans, the problem with talking is that doesn't mean "oh yes, sure, whatever your want", it means compromise. When the speaker of the house negotiates a budget deal with the white house and then cannot get his own party to approve it, it shows how bad it is. Talking means give or take, but with the Tea Party maroons with their "its my way or no way", there is no talking to them, and caving in to those morons would be like letting the country be run by a bunch of redneck buffoons.
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