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Sanity -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/26/2014 5:07:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Or maybe you're fucking insane.


Or maybe allowing al-Qaeda to march unhindered is fucking insane



As insane as arming them in the first place ? You keep calling for military action while calling for the troops to come home.

You need to shit or get off the pot, because in reality all you care about is bashing the President.


You're seriously confused

Without wasting too much time addressing your misinformed and ignorant ranting, we always have aircraft carriers in the region and what Iraq asked for was airstrikes on the advancing ISIS / al-Qaeda forces

But Barack apparently would have missed his tee time

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DomKen -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/26/2014 5:14:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Or maybe you're fucking insane.


Or maybe allowing al-Qaeda to march unhindered is fucking insane

You don't even know who you're talking about any more. It's just sad.



Sanity -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/26/2014 5:51:49 PM)

al-Qaeda and ISIS are essentially one and the same

Thats your free lesson for the day



Politesub53 -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/26/2014 5:56:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

al-Qaeda and ISIS are essentially one and the same

Thats your free lesson for the day


AQ have cut all ties with ISIS.

Proving once again that you know fuck all about fuck all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html



Sanity -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/26/2014 7:42:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

al-Qaeda and ISIS are essentially one and the same

Thats your free lesson for the day


AQ have cut all ties with ISIS.

Proving once again that you know fuck all about fuck all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html



I don't have all the latest up to the second inside information that someone like you is privy to, no



Musicmystery -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/27/2014 3:25:55 PM)

You apparently don't have access to the newspapers either then.




Politesub53 -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/27/2014 3:49:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You apparently don't have access to the newspapers either then.




Nor TV, nor radio, nor even a computer so he can google. [;)]


Odd to think he could educate himself a bit more in less than a few minutes.



Sanity -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/27/2014 7:43:44 PM)

Mark this day in your calendars, all the trolls have reason to dance

Sanity was partially misinformed about something

Just goes to show how, every day in this life something absolutely unbelievable happens



Kirata -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/27/2014 8:14:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

al-Qaeda and ISIS are essentially one and the same

Thats your free lesson for the day

AQ have cut all ties with ISIS.

Proving once again that you know fuck all about fuck all.

A rose by any other name. The 2006 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate states that Al Qaeda's goal is an "ultra-conservative interpretation of sharia-based governance spanning the Muslim world."

The strategic objectives of the jihadist movement should be rooted in and motivated by what Al Adl refers to as "the clear banner of Islam -- the banner of 'there is no deity but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.'" This fundamental statement of Islamic faith is meant to signify the ultimate priority of the principle of tawhid, or the unity and authority of God and religion, in Al Qaeda's ideological framework. ~Congressional Research Service

Where is the big fuck-all difference?

K.



Musicmystery -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 7:20:21 AM)

Well it makes a difference inside Iraq anyway. An NPR story a few weeks back reported on war lords calmly watching. What they wanted was their corrupt president gone, and ISIS was doing that for them. Their take was that "we'll deal with ISIS when the time comes," meaning they'd pick up arms and clean out ISIS. And since Al Qaeda wants nothing to do with them, that certainly appears to be a difference, if not to ethnocentric Americans.

Whether the warlords can or will follow through, who knows. Right now, Iraq is falling apart into three regions, which is really what the sunni, shia, and kurdish residents largely wanted since before the beginning. With a Kurdish president now with Shia and Sunni left and right hands, we'll have to see.

But Al Qaeda's goals are very different -- they are concerned about Saudi Arabia and the US, including intervention in the US. And they are sunni vs. sunni.

So if not to us, there is a big fuck all difference on the ground.



Kirata -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 9:05:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So if not to us, there is a big fuck all difference on the ground.

I don't dispute the points you raise, but all the various jihadist groups share in common the overriding goal of establishing radical Islamist rule and Sharia law in their respective hells. In my opinion, where they operate and whether they're Sunni or Shia is detail. No matter which groups end up on top in the end, the new boss will be the same as the old boss.

K.





Musicmystery -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 12:04:29 PM)

But I don't think that's Al Qaeda's goal. Nor is Al Qaeda interested in ruling.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/alqaeda/indictment.html



Politesub53 -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 3:06:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

al-Qaeda and ISIS are essentially one and the same

Thats your free lesson for the day

AQ have cut all ties with ISIS.

Proving once again that you know fuck all about fuck all.

A rose by any other name. The 2006 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate states that Al Qaeda's goal is an "ultra-conservative interpretation of sharia-based governance spanning the Muslim world."

The strategic objectives of the jihadist movement should be rooted in and motivated by what Al Adl refers to as "the clear banner of Islam -- the banner of 'there is no deity but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.'" This fundamental statement of Islamic faith is meant to signify the ultimate priority of the principle of tawhid, or the unity and authority of God and religion, in Al Qaeda's ideological framework. ~Congressional Research Service

Where is the big fuck-all difference?

K.



How very naive. the groups fighting alongside ISIS are many, I cant be arsed to educate you on the issue except to say it isnt as straightforward as you make out. As for your later post re Sunni or Shia thats just laughable, both sects hate each other and will never rule in peace until they fix the schism.



Kirata -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 3:30:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

A rose by any other name. The 2006 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate states that Al Qaeda's goal is an "ultra-conservative interpretation of sharia-based governance spanning the Muslim world."

The strategic objectives of the jihadist movement should be rooted in and motivated by what Al Adl refers to as "the clear banner of Islam -- the banner of 'there is no deity but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.'" This fundamental statement of Islamic faith is meant to signify the ultimate priority of the principle of tawhid, or the unity and authority of God and religion, in Al Qaeda's ideological framework. ~Congressional Research Service

How very naive. the groups fighting alongside ISIS are many, I cant be arsed to educate you on the issue except to say it isnt as straightforward as you make out. As for your later post re Sunni or Shia thats just laughable, both sects hate each other and will never rule in peace until they fix the schism.

I'll be sure to give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

K.




Politesub53 -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 3:35:22 PM)

Likewise old fruit.



Kirata -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 5:56:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Likewise old fruit.

Taliban
[image]https://ojihad.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/deutsche-taliban-4-0001.jpg[/image]

ISIS
[image]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02939/iraq-execution_2939456b.jpg[/image]

Al Queda
[image]http://images.alarabiya.net/c6/68/640x392_11614_194875.jpg[/image]

Boko Haram
[image]local://upfiles/235229/BA4AB2E667F8481E9788CA8C33901E3A.jpg[/image]

A rose by any other name.

K.





Sanity -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 6:06:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But I don't think that's Al Qaeda's goal. Nor is Al Qaeda interested in ruling.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/alqaeda/indictment.html


Nowhere in the article that you linked to does the lie that al-Qaeda isn't interested in governing appear

To the contrary, like all observant Muslims, al-Qaeda seeks to destroy all non-Muslims and establish a hellish worldwide caliphate in the name of Allah

Thats Islam 101

From your own link, al-Qaeda is vehemently opposed to governments run by infidels:

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Bin Laden and al Qaeda violently opposed the United States for several reasons. First, the United States was regarded as an "infidel" because it was not governed in a manner consistent with the group's extremist interpretation of Islam. Second, the United States was viewed as providing essential support for other "infidel" governments...





DomKen -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 6:31:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
To the contrary, like all observant Muslims, al-Qaeda seeks to destroy all non-Muslims and establish a hellish worldwide caliphate in the name of Allah

Could you possibly be a bigger bigot? I know literally dozens of observant Muslims and none have ever tried to forcibly convert me or "establish a hellish worldwide caliphate in the name of Allah."



cloudboy -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 6:38:50 PM)

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Could you possibly be a bigger bigot? I know literally dozens of observant Muslims and none have ever tried to forcibly convert me or "establish a hellish worldwide caliphate in the name of Allah."


He sees himself as the great humanitarian. I've never quite gotten it given that he lives in Idaho. Refugee children from Central America and other elements bother the shit out of him.



Lucylastic -> RE: ISIS Destroying Relics (7/28/2014 6:39:18 PM)

so I guess we should put all "christians" in the same position then eh???
Yeah, what a fuckin stoopid idea.
And you wonder why people get really sick of organised religion and their hypocrisy and hate?


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