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DomKen -> RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... (7/28/2014 5:09:51 PM)
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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And by the 3rd GC Hamas is the guilty party for trying to use civilians to shield its military actions.
But that isn't happening, Ken. It's just a load of Israeli dogshit propaganda. There's no corroborated evidence of this. Furthermore, it's next to impossible to imagine how the Israelis could possibly come by the intelligence of it, either. Jesus, the guff that Israel is pumping out can't stand up to even a minute's interrogation. It's utter bollocks.
Come on - you can generally see through this kind of thing. You don't generally lap up every piece of right wing propaganda that's fed to you. Why do you come over all sponge-like when it comes to the subject of Israel and Palestine?
Then where does Hamas fire rockets and launch other attacks from? I've looked and cannot find their clearly marked bases. Where is their rocket launching facility. If they have one I'm sure Israel would bomb it flat rather than attack children.
The law is quite clear, Hamas must segregate its military from the civilian population or it is at fault not Israel. Does Hamas segregate its military? No. Therefore they are the ones at fault. Pretty simple.
You keep trotting out that same Israeli bullshit PR.
And you are still referring to outdated GC.
It has since been updated to say that guerrillas have the same protection.
No, it hasn't. I quoted you the in force treaty. You cannot actually quote anything from the later protocols that supersedes the 3rd GC. Protocol 2 which is what you are referring to is actually contradictory. If you read it in full and refer to the article 3 of the 3rd GC you will find that Article 1 section 1 says "This Protocol, which develops and supplements Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 without modifying its existing conditions of application" which means that the conditions for recognizing POW's set forth in article 3 still apply. Then later on it says they don't. Therefore many nations, the US amongst them does not recognize or honor this protocol.
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And you are also blindly ignoring that Israel are also firing rockets from a civilian populated area AND randomly attacking civilians where it has been established that Hamas do not occupy.
The IDF operates from clearly designated bases and is attacking Hamas in self defense. What ever they do is completely legal. They could level Gaza and that would be within the letter of the law. That is the nasty thing about attacking someone, they do not have to show any mercy or stop at anything. For instance it was legal for the US and allies to deal with Iraq after the invasion of Kuwait correct? Despite the fact that if you applied the rules of strict proportionality that you argue are in force the retaliation could not enter into an area greater than that of Kuwait itself or maintain the occupation for longer than Iraq occupied Kuwait which is of course ridiculous.
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You spout "The law is quite clear, Hamas must segregate its military from the civilian population or it is at fault not Israel." yet ignore that Israel MUST do the same and also NOT attack civilians.
The whole Rule of War and the GC do not hinge on this one fact alone, nor those outdated facts you keep trotting out.
Both sides are at fault, not just Hamas. Israel's hands are just as dirty as those of Hamas.
It would be disingenuous to say that Israel are Ok and Hamas alone are the guilty party.
I'm not being disingenuous. I'm simply not being foolish. Hamas is guilty of using their civilian population to shield their operations which is expressly forbidden. They also launch attacks expressly aimed at civilians which is again expressly forbidden. Israel does many bad things but they do neither of those things. So while one side is at such greater fault than the other I will not condemn them for defending themselves against an enemy sworn to genocide.
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