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thishereboi -> Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 5:11:40 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all. Now this part didn't surprise me... "Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support." I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school.

kinksterparty -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 5:23:49 AM)
Not surprised at all. After all, unions are businesses, and their leaders can - and do - make decisions that affect their income (dues) and expenses (financial support of other groups / political candidates / influence peddlers). The only difference between a corporation and a union, in this regard, is that a corporation is openly making money, while the union is also making money, but cloaks it in the "oh, we're in it for the welfare of our members" bullshit. People who are truly concerned about the welfare of their constituents, like Walter Kimbrough, put politics on the back burner. Whiny bitches like AFSCME (and SEIU, and NEA/UFT, and... too many examples) put politics first, and employees / members / kids be damned. But then that's not a surprise either. Socialist principles dictate that the rights of the individual are subservient to the rights of the State. Inb4shitstorm: this isn't a "conservative vs liberal" or "republican vs democrat" debate. It's a "politics vs people" debate.

Kirata -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 7:44:18 AM)
Up to their old tricks again, I see. Those Evil Koch Brothers K.

mnottertail -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 7:50:00 AM)
Al Capone gave a lot of money away. So did John Gotti.

Kirata -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 7:56:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Al Capone gave a lot of money away. So did John Gotti. What I want to know is, when are you going to start. [:)] K.

mnottertail -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 7:57:24 AM)
Never, I ain't the Koch boys.

Lucylastic -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 8:10:00 AM)
they are doing it for the benefit of the OP and the first few posters. who tend to think that giving money to good causes should only apply to one side... and for one reason, it would be much better for everyone if the Kochs simply got out of politics and voting rights etc etc , then their surprise would be more "genuine"

Sanity -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 8:50:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic they are doing it for the benefit of the OP and the first few posters. who tend to think that giving money to good causes should only apply to one side... and for one reason, it would be much better for everyone if the Kochs simply got out of politics and voting rights etc etc , then their surprise would be more "genuine" When I see leftists complaining about all of George Soros' political activities their rivers of tears they constantly cry over the Kochs will hold a little more merit

Lucylastic -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 8:56:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity When I see leftists complaining about all of George Soros' political activities their rivers of tears they constantly cry over the Kochs will hold a little more merit if you ever complain about ANY RWNJ political activities the world will stop revolving around the sun bloody hell, LOL you just proved my point entirely.Thanks [image]local://upfiles/228382/144E92282B194C5D89FEBE03EC986504.jpg[/image]

DomKen -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 12:06:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all. Now this part didn't surprise me... "Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support." I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school. The Koch's "gifts" to universities come with strings attached so people are skeptical about this one. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/28/the-koch-brothers-influence-on-college-campus-is-spreading/

CreativeDominant -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 2:03:12 PM)
You know, when you read that article you find that Soros does the same thing, although he spends more on foreign schools. And oddly enough, his funds go to support programs at the universities which are near and dear to the liberals dear little hearts (because there just isn't enough liberal ideas coming out of colleges with their normal funding. But, of course, the Koch Brothers do support conservative ideas taught alongside liberal ideas at colleges. Bastards...

MrRodgers -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 2:10:36 PM)
The Koch brothers gave $23 million to PBS so they would pull a documentary about ALL of the money they throw around influencing politics...especially ALEC. I am sure though it was...from the heart. [sic] Teddy Roosevelt said that the wealthy opened universities, gave to hospitals and the church...out of the guilt they felt in obtaining such immense fortunes and so people will then, like them.

Musicmystery -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 2:11:33 PM)
If you believe the myth that colleges today are bastions of liberal ideas, then it's been a while since you've spent time on a campus engaged in academics. Zombies. Parrots. Incompetent at even basic scholastic tasks -- research, critical thinking, constructing argument, analysis. Provincial. Lacking intellectual curiosity.

thishereboi -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 2:26:30 PM)
You have no clue what I think.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 2:59:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all. Now this part didn't surprise me... "Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support." I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school. The Koch's "gifts" to universities come with strings attached so people are skeptical about this one. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/28/the-koch-brothers-influence-on-college-campus-is-spreading/ Your link itself stated that most of "this money did not color classroom curricula — nor did money from any other donor, liberal or conservative." After "this isn't always clear ," there were a few things pointed out. FLA State U got money and the strings were that a Koch appointed committee select the professors and evaluate them yearly. While that is certainly questionable, it isn't a guarantee of curricular control. Troy University got money for a center on political economy quote: The center describes itself as being “built on the assumption that liberty is valuable in its own right and plays a crucial role in economic development” and “committed to advancing our understanding about the role free markets and capitalist institutions play in promoting prosperity.” That isn't exactly an unknown, nor is it necessarily biased. Ohio State got money funds a senior lecture position in the economics department. While they are directing the money go to a senior lecture position, there is no statement that they decide who the lecturer is. NYU's donation went towards funding a 2 year "legal studies research fellowship." Is there something wrong with that? Further: quote: No such level of detail is supplied by the Koch foundations in their federal tax filings, with grants typically listed as going toward “general support” or “educational programs.” Does the IRS have a problem with that? If so, then the IRS has a way to deal with it, don't they? quote: The Charles Koch Foundation, which among the various Koch-connected private foundations spent the most on higher education, did tell the IRS in a 2012 filing that it primarily supports “research and education programs that analyze the impact of free societies” and focuses on “a select number of programs where it believes it is best positioned to support positive social change.” THE HORRORS!!!! These were the only cases noted, along with the implication that there are more. If those "more" cases are as evil as the ones they touted, you got nothing, really.

DomKen -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 3:02:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant You know, when you read that article you find that Soros does the same thing, although he spends more on foreign schools. And oddly enough, his funds go to support programs at the universities which are near and dear to the liberals dear little hearts (because there just isn't enough liberal ideas coming out of colleges with their normal funding. But, of course, the Koch Brothers do support conservative ideas taught alongside liberal ideas at colleges. Bastards... out of that whole article all you retained was a tiny section detailing the fact that Soros donates some money to a university in Hungary he founded? The fact the Koch's are making contributions where they control hiring and research decisions didn't register? http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/10/165015/koch-florida-state/

DesideriScuri -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 3:16:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The Koch brothers gave $23 million to PBS so they would pull a documentary about ALL of the money they throw around influencing politics...especially ALEC. I am sure though it was...from the heart. [sic] Teddy Roosevelt said that the wealthy opened universities, gave to hospitals and the church...out of the guilt they felt in obtaining such immense fortunes and so people will then, like them. What else did Teddy say? A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country. I don't pity any man who does hard work worth doing. I admire him. I pity the creature who does not work, at whichever end of the social scale he may regard himself as being. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Big jobs usually go to the men who prove their ability to outgrow small ones. Probably the greatest harm done by vast wealth is the harm that we of moderate means do ourselves when we let the vices of envy and hatred enter deep into our own natures. The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight. Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive. The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking most often in the loudest voice. It is difficult to make our material condition better by the best law, but it is easy enough to ruin it by bad laws. Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual and of nations alike. Freedom from effort in the present merely means that there has been effort stored up in the past. Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well. No man needs sympathy because he has to work, because he has a burden to carry. Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing. So, is it truth simply because Teddy Roosevelt said it?

Musicmystery -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 3:19:21 PM)
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMlRpN8ANrU The Shadow knows.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 3:55:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all. Now this part didn't surprise me... "Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support." I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school. The Koch Bothers are immensely wealthy. They have shitloads of money to spend on any number of things they'd prefer to express their views on. Some of those views may offend you. Some may not. If you're wealthy, you may share their views, if you're not, you probably don't. In the interim, you express your views now, here, on the venues you have the ability to do so. They have a far larger patina. And they earned it. Don't like it....don't vote for it. That's pretty much it.

DomKen -> RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards (7/23/2014 4:41:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie And they earned it. Don't you mean they had the luck to be born to the right father? If papa Koch hadn't built the soviet oil industry when no one else would where would they be now?

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