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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Is that gas station also a:

1 ) Nuclear Weapon Free Zone?
2 ) Chemical Weapon Free Zone?
3 ) Biological Weapon Free Zone?
4 ) Orbital Weapon Free Zone?

It also is not a knife free zone, a weapon free zone or a crime free zone.
Why?
Because they
A are just playing politics pretending that banning guns makes people safer
because everyone knows that if someone is planning to hold up the place
with a gun they will stop when they see the sign.
B Don't realize that when you know no one has a gun you are safe using a
knife making crime more economical.

I took what you stated to the logic level of silliness of what your complaining about. They do not have a problem with knives, or at least none that has come to the manager's attention. Its not a 'crime free zone' because most people are not fully mindless; meaning its implied without having to state the plainly obvious. If your having trouble with the 'plainly obvious stuff', perhaps having a firearm is not a good idea for you....

Your making an accusation that they posted the side for political reasons. Yet have not delivered one piece of evidence to support such a claim. Mine is observation from a business point of view. The manager reasons there are more people that dislike the 'gun-swagger' of some 'open carrying' fellows, then like it. And those people can easily shop elsewhere if he allows people that behave that way with firearms. So to stay in business, they simply place a 'gun free zone' and remain polite about the policy. That policy is not enforceable by them; but it does show them disrespect by walking in with a gun strapped to your side. You don't like people disrespecting you, right? Why would it be allowed in the reverse?

Also, that policy doesn't also say "the management is also, not armed'. Go in that business and find a few seconds to late you brought a knife to a shotgun fight.....

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ORIGINAL: BecomingV

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

We have one set of gas stations in our town has declared themselves to be a gun free zone (no self defense zone). Our first holdup in a couple of years happened last night at one of their stations. Since guns are banned the thug obviously used a knife. I don't understand why they didn't declare it a no crime zone, obviously that would have prevented the holdup.

A "gun-free zone" does not equate with a "no self-defense zone," as other posts pointed out.

I read your OP as having a mocking tone, which fell flat because of ^^^ that first assertion.

Businesses have always asserted a right to limit customers:

1 - No shoes, no shirt, no service
2 - No backpacks
3 - Only 3 students, or less, at a time

and more recently, no eyeglasses' cams.

When the business you wrote about put a limit on guns under their roof, I see that as being no different from a Presidential gathering. Is THAT a "no guns" gathering? No. The Secret Service keeps their guns, but those who enter are not welcome to bring their own.

The business may have a gun behind the counter and have trained all employees in its use. THAT will not prevent gun crime, because a criminal (regardless of what the specific crime they commit is) is a person who will violate the rights of others, in pursuit of getting what they want. So, they may put a bullet hole in the sign that seeks to limit them.

However, by NOT allowing customers to bring in guns, should a gun crime begin, there isn't going to be a lot of cross-firing going on, and the chances of hitting a bystander, are lessened. Should a customer come in, and an armed robbery occurs, and the customer begins shooting, too, at least the "no guns" sign is something a lawyer may use to protect the business owner from a law suit. If the customer's bullet ricochets and kills a kid, for example. A case could be made that responsibility for the killing sits squarely on the customer's head and the practice of suing the business, too (because of deeper pockets) wouldn't pass muster, under these circumstances.

So, while in the OP, the setting of a no gun zone appears to be laughable, perhaps with a bit of expanded thought, it's not. There may be a very real, profitable and reasonable set of reasons behind it.

I would suggest asking the business owner what the reasoning is before coming to a conclusion, or mocking it.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Is that gas station also a:

1 ) Nuclear Weapon Free Zone?
2 ) Chemical Weapon Free Zone?
3 ) Biological Weapon Free Zone?
4 ) Orbital Weapon Free Zone?

It also is not a knife free zone, a weapon free zone or a crime free zone.
Why?
Because they
A are just playing politics pretending that banning guns makes people safer
because everyone knows that if someone is planning to hold up the place
with a gun they will stop when they see the sign.
B Don't realize that when you know no one has a gun you are safe using a
knife making crime more economical.

I took what you stated to the logic level of silliness of what your complaining about. They do not have a problem with knives, or at least none that has come to the manager's attention. Its not a 'crime free zone' because most people are not fully mindless; meaning its implied without having to state the plainly obvious. If your having trouble with the 'plainly obvious stuff', perhaps having a firearm is not a good idea for you....

Your making an accusation that they posted the side for political reasons. Yet have not delivered one piece of evidence to support such a claim. Mine is observation from a business point of view. The manager reasons there are more people that dislike the 'gun-swagger' of some 'open carrying' fellows, then like it. And those people can easily shop elsewhere if he allows people that behave that way with firearms. So to stay in business, they simply place a 'gun free zone' and remain polite about the policy. That policy is not enforceable by them; but it does show them disrespect by walking in with a gun strapped to your side. You don't like people disrespecting you, right? Why would it be allowed in the reverse?

Also, that policy doesn't also say "the management is also, not armed'. Go in that business and find a few seconds to late you brought a knife to a shotgun fight.....

The only people who practice open carry here are law enforcement.
My reason for thinking it is political comes from a conversation with management when they lied to me about the reason for the sign. They claimed that state law required it when state law allowed it. There is a big difference. Having worked there years ago I know they have always had a no carry policy for employees, most chains do.
I suggested crime free zone to point out the mindlessness of the policy, if criminals will obey no guns they will obey no crimes.
Not caring about knives proves they didn't think before they posted.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Is that gas station also a:

1 ) Nuclear Weapon Free Zone?
2 ) Chemical Weapon Free Zone?
3 ) Biological Weapon Free Zone?
4 ) Orbital Weapon Free Zone?

It also is not a knife free zone, a weapon free zone or a crime free zone.
Why?
Because they
A are just playing politics pretending that banning guns makes people safer
because everyone knows that if someone is planning to hold up the place
with a gun they will stop when they see the sign.
B Don't realize that when you know no one has a gun you are safe using a
knife making crime more economical.

I took what you stated to the logic level of silliness of what your complaining about. They do not have a problem with knives, or at least none that has come to the manager's attention. Its not a 'crime free zone' because most people are not fully mindless; meaning its implied without having to state the plainly obvious. If your having trouble with the 'plainly obvious stuff', perhaps having a firearm is not a good idea for you....

Your making an accusation that they posted the side for political reasons. Yet have not delivered one piece of evidence to support such a claim. Mine is observation from a business point of view. The manager reasons there are more people that dislike the 'gun-swagger' of some 'open carrying' fellows, then like it. And those people can easily shop elsewhere if he allows people that behave that way with firearms. So to stay in business, they simply place a 'gun free zone' and remain polite about the policy. That policy is not enforceable by them; but it does show them disrespect by walking in with a gun strapped to your side. You don't like people disrespecting you, right? Why would it be allowed in the reverse?

Also, that policy doesn't also say "the management is also, not armed'. Go in that business and find a few seconds to late you brought a knife to a shotgun fight.....

The only people who practice open carry here are law enforcement.
My reason for thinking it is political comes from a conversation with management when they lied to me about the reason for the sign. They claimed that state law required it when state law allowed it. There is a big difference. Having worked there years ago I know they have always had a no carry policy for employees, most chains do.
I suggested crime free zone to point out the mindlessness of the policy, if criminals will obey no guns they will obey no crimes.
Not caring about knives proves they didn't think before they posted.

You can not even display a rational understanding of how typical people behave, let alone those with criminal intentions and/or actions. Just because some hacker got into some large financial database and scored $1.3 million in possible 'loot'; does not mean he'll drive down the road at 93 mph as his normal 'cruising speed'. Someone that has broken into houses, doesn't go beating up TV Reporters for the hell of it. Most people that break laws will try to....FADE....into the background as soon as possible law enforcement could arrive to place them under arrest in some fore. Ever notice all those people whom race down the high way at 70 mph, then slow down to 50 mph when they think a police officer in a car might be around the next intersection?

Yes the dumb crooks get caught and go to jail pretty often; the smart ones set up and see their retirement accounts in action.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Is that gas station also a:

1 ) Nuclear Weapon Free Zone?
2 ) Chemical Weapon Free Zone?
3 ) Biological Weapon Free Zone?
4 ) Orbital Weapon Free Zone?

It also is not a knife free zone, a weapon free zone or a crime free zone.
Why?
Because they
A are just playing politics pretending that banning guns makes people safer
because everyone knows that if someone is planning to hold up the place
with a gun they will stop when they see the sign.
B Don't realize that when you know no one has a gun you are safe using a
knife making crime more economical.

I took what you stated to the logic level of silliness of what your complaining about. They do not have a problem with knives, or at least none that has come to the manager's attention. Its not a 'crime free zone' because most people are not fully mindless; meaning its implied without having to state the plainly obvious. If your having trouble with the 'plainly obvious stuff', perhaps having a firearm is not a good idea for you....

Your making an accusation that they posted the side for political reasons. Yet have not delivered one piece of evidence to support such a claim. Mine is observation from a business point of view. The manager reasons there are more people that dislike the 'gun-swagger' of some 'open carrying' fellows, then like it. And those people can easily shop elsewhere if he allows people that behave that way with firearms. So to stay in business, they simply place a 'gun free zone' and remain polite about the policy. That policy is not enforceable by them; but it does show them disrespect by walking in with a gun strapped to your side. You don't like people disrespecting you, right? Why would it be allowed in the reverse?

Also, that policy doesn't also say "the management is also, not armed'. Go in that business and find a few seconds to late you brought a knife to a shotgun fight.....

The only people who practice open carry here are law enforcement.
My reason for thinking it is political comes from a conversation with management when they lied to me about the reason for the sign. They claimed that state law required it when state law allowed it. There is a big difference. Having worked there years ago I know they have always had a no carry policy for employees, most chains do.
I suggested crime free zone to point out the mindlessness of the policy, if criminals will obey no guns they will obey no crimes.
Not caring about knives proves they didn't think before they posted.

You can not even display a rational understanding of how typical people behave, let alone those with criminal intentions and/or actions. Just because some hacker got into some large financial database and scored $1.3 million in possible 'loot'; does not mean he'll drive down the road at 93 mph as his normal 'cruising speed'. Someone that has broken into houses, doesn't go beating up TV Reporters for the hell of it. Most people that break laws will try to....FADE....into the background as soon as possible law enforcement could arrive to place them under arrest in some fore. Ever notice all those people whom race down the high way at 70 mph, then slow down to 50 mph when they think a police officer in a car might be around the next intersection?

Yes the dumb crooks get caught and go to jail pretty often; the smart ones set up and see their retirement accounts in action.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

So you are only blaming most of the victims, not all, so much better.
If a woman walks down a dark alley naked and gets raped it is still the rapists fault.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

As usual you speak from ignorance.
Particularly in the winter when I carry it in my coat pocket.
And in effect you are still arguing that you know more than my Capt. did.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

So you are only blaming most of the victims, not all, so much better.
If a woman walks down a dark alley naked and gets raped it is still the rapists fault.

Did I say it wasn't? When will you stop with this infantile attempts to get people to say things other than what they actually did?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

As usual you speak from ignorance.
Particularly in the winter when I carry it in my coat pocket.
And in effect you are still arguing that you know more than my Capt. did.

And you can reach into your coat pocket, find the trigger, aim the pistol and fire quickly under stress while wearing the coat? And you can do all of this with a gun so light it doesn't unbalance how you wear the coat or cause a bulge?

You'll understand when I laugh at what ever bullshit claim you make next. I live in the land of heavy winter coats not wind breakers not you.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

As usual you speak from ignorance.
Particularly in the winter when I carry it in my coat pocket.
And in effect you are still arguing that you know more than my Capt. did.

And you can reach into your coat pocket, find the trigger, aim the pistol and fire quickly under stress while wearing the coat? And you can do all of this with a gun so light it doesn't unbalance how you wear the coat or cause a bulge?

You'll understand when I laugh at what ever bullshit claim you make next. I live in the land of heavy winter coats not wind breakers not you.

If it is chilly enough to wear a coat it is chilly enough for my hand to already be in my pocket.
Most of the time I carry it in my hip pocket which holds it in the proper position and I keep a empty wallet in that pocket so the outline doesn't show.
And you are still displaying the belief that you know more, not only than I do (an obvious delusion) but, more importantly, than my Capt.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

So you are only blaming most of the victims, not all, so much better.
If a woman walks down a dark alley naked and gets raped it is still the rapists fault.

Did I say it wasn't? When will you stop with this infantile attempts to get people to say things other than what they actually did?

You said they are crime victims because they go to areas where there is crime.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: BamaD

We have one set of gas stations in our town has declared themselves to be a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

It would appear that english is not your primary languge. Or are you such a pussy that you cannot defend yourself without a gun?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Weird it's worked for me most of my life. The only time I carried a gun was a few watches in the service. I've lived in a far rougher place than Alabama most of that time.

Most violent crime happens to people who seek it out. So if you don't, having a weapon on your person does nothing for your personal safety except increase the chance someone will try to rob you.

So Rape victims seek it out? Peoples whos homes are robbed while they are peacefully sleeping, or not even home are seeking it out? People who are mugged and robbed are seeking it out?

As someone new to carrying, you cant see my gun when Im walking down the street, you dont know its there unless you threaten my life or my family and im forced to draw it...

Seriously Ken, I would talk to your doctor about adjusting your meds... victim blaming just isnt normal for you....

"Most" is an important word. You should look up the meaning in a dictionary. Then you should apologize.

And yes, if your gun is where you can get to it in a high stress situation it can bee seen. Do not fool yourself. The more concealed it is the harder it is to get to.

So you are only blaming most of the victims, not all, so much better.
If a woman walks down a dark alley naked and gets raped it is still the rapists fault.

Did I say it wasn't? When will you stop with this infantile attempts to get people to say things other than what they actually did?

You said they are crime victims because they go to areas where there is crime.

No, I did not. Please learn to read before commenting again.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: BamaD

We have one set of gas stations in our town has declared themselves to be a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

It would appear that english is not your primary languge. Or are you such a pussy that you cannot defend yourself without a gun?

I doubt these folks care if you think they are pussies or not and I doubt Bama will lose sleep over the idea either

http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/3-different-homeowners-use-guns-to-defend-themselves-against-intruders-this-week

But keep thinking you have a clue. It's really cute.