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Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 8:52:02 AM

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"Failure" is the word Hillary is using to describe Obama's role in the development of the terrorist group currently calling itself the Islamic State.

I think if she wants to have a go at winning the White House in '16, she's going to be using that word to describe a lot more of what this administration has done over their time in power.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/?single_page=true

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:07:23 AM

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Not to mention, she's got a 2008 ax to grind. No surprises here.

I'm hoping someone else steps forward, though. We can do better.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:13:01 AM

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Muse, I don't think it is going to matter one bit who the Dems put up in '16. Obama is salting the fields.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:18:34 AM

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The Republicans should have won in 2012. But they keep fielding clowns.

If they keep that up, anyone can win, even Hilary.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:22:25 AM

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I wouldn't expect any Democrat, liberal, or cheerleader from afar to ever admit it, but Obama was re-elected solely on the basis of bigotry. The fundies wouldn't come out and vote for a Mormon.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:27:35 AM

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I can't speak for America. But I didn't vote for Romney/Paul because their policies were fantasies and their campaign incredible lies--even Republican media were rolling their eyes. And prior to that--McCain/Palin-???!!!

There's an Oligarchy philosophy to Republican leadership, and it's nothing I can support. Yes, the Democrats have their hierarchy too, but they aren't trying to impose a class ruled structure instead of the economically class controlled one we have now (which is bad enough).

Third parties remain single-issue de facto PACS, unfortunately, with no serious bid toward leadership. I hope that changes.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:49:57 AM

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Muse, it doesn't matter how you rationalize it to yourself. There will always be some narrative provided to you that makes the Repub. candidate unacceptable, so on the first Tuesday in November of a leap year, you amount to a reliable Democrat vote.

I don't think the Repubs need to worry one bit about trying to field a candidate you are going to like. They don't need you, and you won't matter.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:53:54 AM

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Well, you can create me in your own head however you like. I'd have voted for McCain in 2000. But in 2008, where was that guy? Too bad.

You're going to lecture me about rationalizing when you've shared you're a lifelong Republican now because once Al Gore ran on the Democrat ticket, a solid Republican vote.

Get over yourself.

I watched you jump through hoops explaining how Palin was a highly qualified candidate. Your credibility jumped out the window then.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 10:09:00 AM

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Now you are just making shit up, Muse. I've argued that Palin looked good on paper, and predicted her as the 2008 Veep candidate. I didn't cast a vote for a Repub as President until '04.

You're right about me despising Gore, but that started back in the 80's, and didn't keep me from voting Wild Bill twice.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 10:09:07 AM

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How could anyone be less qualified than Joe Biden?

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“Look at what they [Republicans] value, and look at their budget. And look what they're proposing. [Romney] said in the first 100 days, he's going to let the big banks write their own rules -- unchain Wall Street. They're going to put y'all back in chains." --Joe Biden, speaking to a largely African-American audience in Danville, Va., Aug. 14, 2012

"My mother believed and my father believed that if I wanted to be president of the United States, I could be, I could be Vice President!" --Joe Biden, campaigning in Youngstown, Ohio, May 16, 2012

"I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you." --Joe Biden, citing Theodore Roosevelt's famous quote, "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." (April 26, 2012)

"This is a big fucking deal!" --Joe Biden, caught on an open mic congratulating President Barack Obama during the health care signing ceremony, Washington, D.C., March 23, 2010

"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul." --Joe Biden, on the mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who is very much alive, Washington, D.C., March 17, 2010

"I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. … When one person sneezes it goes all the way through the aircraft. That's me. I would not be, at this point, if they had another way of transportation, suggesting they ride the subway." --Joe Biden, providing handy tips to protect against the swine flu and freaking us out, "Today Show" interview, April 30, 2009

"An hour late, oh give me a f**king break." –Joe Biden, caught on a live mic speaking to a former Senate colleague after arriving on Amtrak at Union Station in Washington, D.C., March 13, 2009 (Watch video clip)

"You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed." –Joe Biden, speaking to an aide standing out of view during an interview on CBS' "Early Show," in the midst of encouraging viewers to visit a government-run Web site that tracks stimulus spending, Feb. 25, 2009

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong." --Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus who were gathered in Williamsburg, Va., for their annual retreat, Feb. 6, 2009

"Am I doing this again? For the senior staff? My memory is not as good as Chief Justice Roberts'." --Joe Biden, mocking Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts' botched effort to swear in Barack Obama as Biden was set to swear in White House senior staff one day after the Inauguration snafu, Washington, D.C., Jan. 21, 2009

"Jill and I had the great honor of standing on that stage, looking across at one of the great justices, Justice Stewart." –Joe Biden, mistakenly referring to Justice John Paul Stevens, who swore him in as vice president, Washington, D.C., Jan. 20, 2009 (Watch video clip)

"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs." --Joe Biden, Athens, Ohio, Oct. 15, 2008 (Source)

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time, interview with Katie Couric, Sept. 22, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." –-Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --Joe Biden, speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, Sept. 10, 2008 (Source)

"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama after being announced as his running mate, Springfield, Ill., Aug. 23, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"A successful dump!" --Joe Biden, explaining his whereabouts (dropping deadwood at the dump) to the reporters outside his home, Wilmington, Del., Aug. 20, 2008

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –Joe Biden, referring to Barack Obama at the beginning of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, Jan. 31, 2007 (Source)

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006 (Watch video clip)

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/bidenisms.htm

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 10:19:16 AM

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Now you are just making shit up, Muse. I've argued that Palin looked good on paper, and predicted her as the 2008 Veep candidate. I didn't cast a vote for a Repub as President until '04.

You're right about me despising Gore, but that started back in the 80's, and didn't keep me from voting Wild Bill twice.

I'm not going to go back and pull up your posts -- not worth the time.

But you can do so yourself if you've really forgotten. You defended her vigorously, well after her selection, right up to the election.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 12:46:43 PM

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Dig to your heart's content, Muse. The facts of her career up to that point aren't going to change, and it would be nice to have a little refresher in what liberals consider perfectly legitimate attacks on a female candidate, as we move towards a Hillary run.

I'll still say that Sarah Palin had better credentials to be Veep, than Barack Obama had to be at the top of a ticket. The failure of his Presidency keeps right on proving me as right about that as I was about who McCain was going pick.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 12:51:21 PM

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I wouldn't expect any Democrat, liberal, or cheerleader from afar to ever admit it, but Obama was re-elected solely on the basis of bigotry.

Obviouly you failed sixth grade civics. Obama and every president the u.s. has had has been appointed by the e.c.
You don't like him because he is black? Why he is a carbon copy of his predicessor? We are still in the sand box and we are still in gitmo. We are still going around the world doing regieme change.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 1:01:09 PM

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I have no problem with attacks on a candidate -- hell, that's just business as usual.

It would be nice if they were policy based, but that's not the country we live in.

And if you haven't noticed, I'm no fan of Hilary. She was a good Senator for NY. That's it.

If she wins the primary, and Republicans run some dipshit again, and there's no viable 3rd candidate, yeah, I'll probably hold my nose and cast a vote for her. But I'm welcoming alternatives before we get to that point.

Palin is a nut job. If you think differently, well, good for you. But she remains a nut job without your stamp.

Obama finally got health care started. It's flawed, and the right is whining, but it was a least a crack in the wall.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 1:22:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Muse, it doesn't matter how you rationalize it to yourself. There will always be some narrative provided to you that makes the Repub. candidate unacceptable, so on the first Tuesday in November of a leap year, you amount to a reliable Democrat vote.

I don't think the Repubs need to worry one bit about trying to field a candidate you are going to like. They don't need you, and you won't matter.

And that is the big problem with the Republicans.....they feel they don't need anyone and no one else matters. Pretty damned selfish.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 2:52:20 PM

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The repubs don't have the big Russian Bear of the cold war to scare us away from the dems who showed them down in Cuba and took us to war and against the commies for the bankers and profiteers in VN.

If the repubs could give me a real man, a real untainted candidate and not buffoons like McCain/Palin or greedy capitalist scum like Romney then, I might...might vote against Hilary. But..,.I don't think so. Still much the lesser of two evils.

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 4:50:14 PM

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Obama care is working. The economy is growing. The US is not at war. We have not been attacked. Grown ups are running the country instead nut jobs. Torture was eliminated. Corporate profits are up. Things would be better if Congress had any sense of country before party.

TheHeretic is 98% blather and 2% substance. When you see him post, it's a sign-post for strong conclusions based on a dearth of information / analysis. Obama blew Romney out of the water despite a sluggish economy and all sorts of problems. The Republicans have ceded the Presidency to Democrats for years to come with their incompetence (GWB, KANSAS) and small tent demographics (anti-women, anti-immigration, anti-gay).

ISIS is IRAQ's problem and Maliki created it by hording all national power in shia hands. Now the chickens have come home to roost. According to Obama, we really had no particular group to arm in Syria.

Our meddling in IRAQ and Afghanistan has not really helped either nation; why would our presence in Syria be any different?

As a parting shot, the Republicans are gearing up to boost Pentagon spending behind another wave of muscular foreign policy while trying to balance the US budget without any tax increases. Can anyone tell me how that worked for GWB?

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 6:54:12 PM

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Drudge headline - "Hillary beached"

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:20:23 PM

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"Failure" is the word Hillary is using to describe Obama's role in the development of the terrorist group currently calling itself the Islamic State.

I think if she wants to have a go at winning the White House in '16, she's going to be using that word to describe a lot more of what this administration has done over their time in power.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/?single_page=true

I love it when conservatives use....ANYTHING...they can get in their hands to slam the President of the United States. Since having good ideas that works, is well outside their abilities, they are left with being petty.

Thirty years from now, the nation's young will know who Barack Obama was thanks to 'Obamacare', just like those remember FDR and 'The New Deal'. They wont know, nor care, who was in Congress, nor those that ran against Mr. Obama.

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Muse, I don't think it is going to matter one bit who the Dems put up in '16. Obama is salting the fields.

If that was true, why are there ...EXTRA HEAVY...attempts (just the plural of 'attempt') to undermine Hillary Clinton? Weren't you one of those pushing the Benghazi issue a few months back? Oh that's right...YOU WERE! You did that (like many other conservatives) because...YOUR AFRAID of HILLARY CLINTON...running in 2016.

An you cant even admit that is the underlying motivation to do it.....

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I wouldn't expect any Democrat, liberal, or cheerleader from afar to ever admit it, but Obama was re-elected solely on the basis of bigotry.

Actually, Mr. Obama got elected due to a voting process in our nation called 'Electoral College'. From the "...Democrat, liberal, or cheerleader..." side, the man's skin color really didn't have much to do with the vote. They've voted for white guys in the past.

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Muse, it doesn't matter how you rationalize it to yourself. There will always be some narrative provided to you that makes the Repub. candidate unacceptable, so on the first Tuesday in November of a leap year, you amount to a reliable Democrat vote.

I don't think the Repubs need to worry one bit about trying to field a candidate you are going to like. They don't need you, and you won't matter.

The Republicans lost my vote in 2008 for two reasons: 1 ) Mr. McCain had to show 'how conservative' he was, rather than being himself (didn't seen the 'soul' of McCain until his conceding speech). 2 ) Sarah Palin showed the nation that she was not up to speed with knowledge, science, history, education, business, politics, or common sense.

The Republicans lost my vote in 2012 for two reasons: 1 ) Mr. Romney is a political slut (he'll say anything and do anything to get elected). Individuals like that should....NEVER...be given power of any kind, as the desire to misuse it rises quickly. 2 ) His running mate was sleazy, dishonest, mean, ugly, and was selfish (the sort of qualities you don't want in a politician, let alone the VP).

And what happened in both elections? Mr. Obama won by quite a bit, because the guy appealed to the larger audience (i.e. non-conservatives). The last two GOP nomination processes were 'Who can be MORE conservative than all the rest'. To which the rest of Americans said 'We don't give a shit how conservative you are'.

For Republicans to win an elections, they need both people to be moderates. And that's never going to happen with the GOP/TP right now. So, relax, and enjoy another twenty years of Democratically controlled White Houses....

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Dig to your heart's content, Muse. The facts of her career up to that point aren't going to change, and it would be nice to have a little refresher in what liberals consider perfectly legitimate attacks on a female candidate, as we move towards a Hillary run.

I'll still say that Sarah Palin had better credentials to be Veep, than Barack Obama had to be at the top of a ticket. The failure of his Presidency keeps right on proving me as right about that as I was about who McCain was going pick.

Hillary Clinton keeps scoring in the top '100 Men' in Men's Health magazine each year. Beating out guys that have had bullet wounds in the 20-30s, 200+ car accidents, and a whole lot of other dangerous stuff. She's been in the White House longer than most people in this nation (not to mention positions of power). She's dealt with many tough issues (since the job of the Secretary of the State is not a cake walk). Finally, if conservatives were not afraid of her easily winning the 2016 election, why all the personal attacks on her? You don't put up thread after thread, post after post, of Anthony Weiner, do you? Because that guy has....NO CHANCE...of becoming President or Vice President.

Sarah Palin, during an interview couldn't answer the question "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine". She was not asked if she knew what that was; because it was assumed. Since when the question was asked, President George W. Bush was still in office. There have been several doctrines from previous Presidents in the past. I could understand if she didn't recall one of those; but of a current sitting President?

This president could never please you, therefore, why should he even bother? He would have to do 100% of everything you demand. And that is not a Democratic Republic at that point, but a Dictatorship. The fact the guy thinks for himself, and not told what to think by others, really pisses off conservatives like you!

Dispense with the bullshit there, Heretic. We all know when and how you bullshit. Your not only afraid of Hillary Clinton getting into office (because any opposition from the GOP/TP is laughable), but doing well once in office (with many Congressional seats going to Democrats).

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RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word - 8/10/2014 9:23:26 PM

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Drudge headline - "Hillary beached"

I don't read the Drudge Report to fine 'fair, honest, and good acts of journalism'. I do it to find what conservative/libertarians are being told what to think and say. The stuff many conservative/libertarians state on these threads has their origins in The Drudge Report.

The Drudge Report appeals to 'The Low Information Voter' in America. That you get your viewpoints from it, doesn't surprise me in the least....

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