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CalentraDomme -> Dommes and money (8/11/2014 6:21:31 AM)

Am I the only Domme that feels men asking for things in exchange for money is insulting!!!!!! I know why they do it, but I am not to be bought! Makes Me a little angry that there are so many out there that can be bought, gives us lifestyle Dommes a bad rap.




PeonForHer -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 6:34:52 AM)

Well, this makes a change! [:)]

Usually, when there's a complaint here about dommes in relation to money, it's by subs about those many financial dommes who not only ask for money but demand it. I understand how you might feel insulted, CalentraDomme. I think the main reason why you get these offers of money is because of the prevalence of that fin-domme/fin-sub culture.




DesFIP -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 6:38:56 AM)

Obviously, they've only been with pro dommes in the past. If you can't explain the difference, or don't want to, just suggest he calls a pro instead.




PeonForHer -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 6:41:45 AM)

Having had a look at your profile: I'm thinking it might be a help to lead with a couple of paragraphs about those aspects of your personality that are not about kink. For me, a woman starting her profile this way is one of the clearest indicators that she's a 'lifestyler'.

I would say, though, that whatever you do with your profile, you'll probably still get at least some of those offers of money. That's just how it is here, I'm afraid.




CalentraDomme -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 10:57:49 AM)

Thanks for the input. A lifestyler and a finDomme are two different things. I don't think it is a matter of only being with pro Dommes, but a matter of how many Dommes on this site, (as has been stated to Me from many a man on this site), are looking for the money aspect.
To each their own, but I don't like being hounded after I have told the sub that I am not a fin Domme, in respect to him giving Me money as if every woman has her price.
My price is much higher than money ;)




Gauge -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 11:24:30 AM)

Dammit... no one offers me money.




CalentraDomme -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 11:25:52 AM)

lolol gauge ;)




TNDommeK -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 11:26:46 AM)

You just made me think of that Trident Layers commercial.
"No one pays me in layers" haha!




CalentraDomme -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 12:25:21 PM)

lol layers of what I wonder...dont say gum




FieryOpal -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 2:07:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CalentraDomme

My price is much higher than money ;)

Precisely...our relationship currency is far more valuable than a monetary one (but that doesn't keep mediocre or run-of-the-mill kinky guys from trying).

"A capable, intelligent and virtuous woman,
who is he who can find her?
She is far more precious than jewels and her
value is far ABOVE RUBIES or pearls."
- Proverbs 31:10




PeonForHer -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 2:34:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Dammit... no one offers me money.


You know what? In the old days you'd get the occasional - just the occasional, mind - offer of a pair of knickers in the post. Not any more. Poor show.




BecomingV -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 10:18:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CalentraDomme

Am I the only Domme that feels men asking for things in exchange for money is insulting!!!!!! I know why they do it, but I am not to be bought! Makes Me a little angry that there are so many out there that can be bought, gives us lifestyle Dommes a bad rap.


When I was a newbie Domme, I did feel insulted. However, now I attribute my reaction to two things:

1) Still being mostly vanilla-minded, I perceived the offer of money to be akin to those who say that marriage is acceptable prostitution or that dinner and a show entitles a guy to something. I just figured the disrespect for women infiltrated the BDSM mindset.

2) I was uneducated about the different kinds of Doms and Dommes. Some put their sticky fingers in the submissives pockets or purses, while others, do not. Granted, the language used to depict the financial interest in a submissive's wallet differs... reflecting sexist views from vanilla life... for example, "He's taking charge" versus "she's charging." LOL Yeah, keep saying that and maybe it will be true (not). The Dominant either profits off of the submissive, or doesn't.

So, now that I know there are D/s couplings between people who add finances to the mix, I see no reason to be insulted if someone mistakes me for being one of those types. Like any other kink, I just clarify my own interests and proceed from there. You know, just respect and/or tolerate those who relate differently. I no longer see any cause for insult.

To put it bluntly, your OP, if read between the lines is expressing outrage because you are being treated like a whore, and you aren't a whore. Right? And, you do not respect other women who choose to participate in financial kink? I think that outrage, disgust and disrespect are kind of lousy feelings to have, especially if they can be avoided. Since the kink isn't going away... that means the way towards avoiding feeling insulted is as simple as some education on the financial kink, some acceptance of those who differ and taking responsibility for clarifying your own preferences, without the drama.

I really did have to do a LOT of reading and then a lot of communicating with others in the community to wrap my head around financial kink. I think that brought me to a place of uncommon perspective here. It's my assertion that handing over control of finances to a Dom/Domme, whether that be handing over a paycheck, or giving gifts or services which have monetary value, is no different according to the sexes of the people involved.

A Domme or Dom may choose to lead a relationship by instructing the submissive to handle their own earnings, savings and investments as a material display of being their best selves. Taking charge and leading do NOT equate with financial control. That's a personality issue and then it's a relationship issue.

Another way to say that is some submissives have written here that they doubt their Dom/Dommes capacity for dominance because they are asked what restaurant or movie to go to. They equate "taking charge" with being led. My POV, as a Dominant, is that if I choose to spend a night doing what my submissive is interested in, and I ask them to tell me, and they don't... then they aren't submitting to my pleasure. But, someone matches me, while others match those with a different view or expectation.

I see those who seek fin Dommes or Dominants who take control of a submissive's money... in the same way I view others in our lifestyle. It's not my kink, but it's their kink. To each their own.

I still have pet peeves, though. Like, my local BDSM clubs ALL have pictures of nude women with the notable absence of pictures of nude men. The injustice!




GoddessManko -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 10:35:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CalentraDomme

Am I the only Domme that feels men asking for things in exchange for money is insulting!!!!!! I know why they do it, but I am not to be bought! Makes Me a little angry that there are so many out there that can be bought, gives us lifestyle Dommes a bad rap.


It is insulting, agreed. It's crass, distasteful and presumptuous. Presumption is for FOOLS. I had to finally modify my profile to explicitly express I'm not a sex worker and it made most of those types back off and lifestyle subs pay closer attention if I am to offer advice. 90% of subs in my inbox prior wanted play for pay. [:D]




TNDommeK -> RE: Dommes and money (8/11/2014 11:56:47 PM)

@CD, So you're saying fin dommes can be bought?




DarkSteven -> RE: Dommes and money (8/12/2014 4:30:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Having had a look at your profile: I'm thinking it might be a help to lead with a couple of paragraphs about those aspects of your personality that are not about kink. For me, a woman starting her profile this way is one of the clearest indicators that she's a 'lifestyler'.

I would say, though, that whatever you do with your profile, you'll probably still get at least some of those offers of money. That's just how it is here, I'm afraid.


Agreed. I suggest in your profile that you discuss your vanilla side. It sounds like all you want is someone to do chores for you for free, with no expectation of anything in return.




thishereboi -> RE: Dommes and money (8/12/2014 5:35:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

Dammit... no one offers me money.



Aww that's so sad. Tell you what, I have a little boy who just wrote and offered $500 to put a cigarette out on him. And to show you how confident I am that he will show up, I am going to split that $500 with you when I get it. How's that for sharing the joy [8D]




TNDommeK -> RE: Dommes and money (8/12/2014 6:35:35 AM)

Now that is what I call "sharing is caring"!




MistressRage -> RE: Dommes and money (8/12/2014 12:43:25 PM)

No, I don't find it offensive.

1) They are willing to give something which is good.

2) Many Dommes on this (and other) sites want to be compensated financially. This is what the sub may be used to.

3) Cash may be the only thing they have to offer a Domme.




CloakedProtector -> RE: Dommes and money (8/12/2014 2:51:18 PM)

OP, one part of the problem is that there are not so many lifestyle Dommes compared to the demand of submissive men.

Only the best submissive men will make it to the lifestyle Dommes who due to their natural Domminance have an advantage on FinDommes and ProDommes and have the first choice and the very best submissives.

The ProDommes have the advantage of usually being well trained, skilled and equipped but mostly operate in the Top/bottom model. Their strength is the non-strings attached, play & go!
That is where married men, business men and the large army of "time window players" end up if they want to be in the submissive role.

So a male that wants D/s or M/s and falls of the boat of the two above possibilities ends up with the FinDommes.
But HOW can such submissive distinguish between a lifestyle Domme like you and a FinDomme from the very first contact/communication?
Not I think because most FinDommes tries to pose like Lifestyle Dommes and try to disassociate from Pro-Domme in order to lure the submissive in.

Hence Dommes like you get propositions that are of course totally inappropriate and which a real lifestyle sub would never make to you.
But then again, I think that you know very well that most submissives (as well male as female) are not real lifestyle submissives.
And that is why you get those propositions, AIMO.




CloakedProtector -> RE: Dommes and money (8/12/2014 3:07:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressRage

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3) Cash may be the only thing they have to offer a Domme.


That is a contradictio in terminis.

A real natural Domme, traditionally in short a Domme, would NEVER be satisfied with cash being the only thing being offered, she wouldn't be interested in cash in the first place, possibly she'd allow cash as part of a play but not as the goal of the D/s relationship.

And if a sub has only cash to offer it implies he has no submissiveness to offer and wouldn't that be the first thing a Domme would be looking for?




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