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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 10:32:12 AM   
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We did everything first huh? Gosh I must have missed the video of us beheading someone,

Does beheading make one more dead than a bomb or a bullet?


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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 10:33:50 AM   
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And you don't understand that that one step they take it further overrides anything else? You don't understand that we did this to terrorists whereas they do it to innocents and that overrides anything else?

Colateral damage is not the death of innocents only in the minds of right wing assholes.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 10:39:10 AM   
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And we live here and they don't. Many of those captured and "tortured" by us were captured in our country.

Then lets just direct our attention to those captured not in our country who were tortured.


I never said our hands are blood-free. I said there's a difference between our conclusion to torture and to their conclusion to torture.


Just what is that difference?


And, given your outlook on our country seeing their "innocent" people who come here as "invaders",

I am pretty sure it was in the papers and on the news that we invaded their country. Likewise all of the airplane crashers were from saudi arabia and quatar not iraq or afghanistan.



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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 11:23:06 AM   
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our people are considered invaders


What about the Kuwaitis and the Iraqi Kurds etc



Why don't you ask them?

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 11:26:23 AM   
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OK. I don't have a forgiving view of ISIS ---

Really? Because your posts would indicate otherwise...your posts would indicate that whatever ISIS does is ultimately our fault.
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Our hands, however, are not clean in this matter.
No kidding. Something I've noted in my last several responses to you. But the one thing our torturing hands are clean of? Beheading.


Does that really make that much of a difference in your eyes? Does it really matter if we shoot someone or bomb them from the air or put them to death by lethal injection? Just as long as we don't behead anyone, then that makes us morally superior?

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 11:27:59 AM   
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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 11:31:39 AM   
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incredibls isnt it?



Actually, if I was going to be executed, beheading might actually be quicker, more painless, and more merciful than the way lethal injection has gone lately.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 11:45:28 AM   
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Have an american Jihad
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/28/its-time-for-american-jihad/

An American jihad would reawaken in American citizens the certain knowledge that our Constitution is a sacred document that better defines and preserves the liberty and autonomy of human beings than the charter of any other nation on earth.

The Constitution, along with the miracle of our nation's founding and the providential history of America fighting and winning war after war against oppressive regimes, proves our manifest destiny not only to preserve our borders and safety and national character at home, but to spread around the world our love of individual freedom and insist on its reflection in every government.

An American jihad would embrace the correct belief that if every nation on earth were governed by freely elected leaders and by our Constitution, the world would be a far better place. And an American jihad would not only hope for this outcome, but work toward it"




So spreading freedom and the american constitution forcefully ...is the perfect answer for the world
WTF
Even as satire... the guy is unhinged.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 12:06:24 PM   
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I found this in that link.

We would tie American aid to incremental changes not just in the attitudes, but in the fundamental structures, of countries. These changes would move those countries, slowly but inexorably, toward reflecting our Constitution in their own charters.


I have looked closely at our constitution and found no authorization for this sort of skuldugery.

We would unabashedly fund pro-democracy movements around the world, partly with government funding and partly with donations from American citizens.

Taxpayers tagged twice to fund this morons vision of world domination.


Through these donations we would seek to double the budgets of the CIA and our Special Forces, seek to fund an international mercenary force for good and provide our veterans unparalleled health care.

Our curent budget is pretty big and vets healh care is in the news regularly in a less than positive light what would this punk do to change that?

We would urge our leaders, after their service in the U.S. Senate and Congress, to seek dual citizenship in other nations, like France and Italy and Sweden and Argentina and Brazil and Germany, and work to influence those nations to adopt laws very much like our own. We might even fund our leaders' campaigns for office in these other nations.


Soundsl like he is in favor of "anchor babies"

We would accept the fact that an American jihad could mean boots on the ground in many places in the world where human rights are being denigrated and horrors are unfolding.


Like furgestan missouri?

Because wherever leaders and movements appear that seek to trample upon the human spirit, we have a God-given right to intervene —

This assumes facts not in evidence.



because we have been to the mountaintop of freedom, and we have seen the Promised Land spanning the globe.


Either he has a turd in his pocket or the koch brothers.

An American jihad would never condone terrorist acts of violence against our adversaries or the targeting of people simply because their beliefs are different from ours.

Which would be a departure from sop.



But for those who malignantly demonstrate their intentions to subjugate others, there would be no quarter.

Kinda like the "contras"


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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 1:12:06 PM   
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OK. I don't have a forgiving view of ISIS ---

Really? Because your posts would indicate otherwise...your posts would indicate that whatever ISIS does is ultimately our fault.
quote:

Our hands, however, are not clean in this matter.
No kidding. Something I've noted in my last several responses to you. But the one thing our torturing hands are clean of? Beheading.


Does that really make that much of a difference in your eyes? Does it really matter if we shoot someone or bomb them from the air or put them to death by lethal injection? Just as long as we don't behead anyone, then that makes us morally superior?

Not what I said...though that matters little to you.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 1:58:24 PM   
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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 2:54:23 PM   
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Heres how you get Iraq, oh hell Islam back....
Have an american Jihad
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/28/its-time-for-american-jihad/

An American jihad would reawaken in American citizens the certain knowledge that our Constitution is a sacred document that better defines and preserves the liberty and autonomy of human beings than the charter of any other nation on earth.

The Constitution, along with the miracle of our nation's founding and the providential history of America fighting and winning war after war against oppressive regimes, proves our manifest destiny not only to preserve our borders and safety and national character at home, but to spread around the world our love of individual freedom and insist on its reflection in every government.

An American jihad would embrace the correct belief that if every nation on earth were governed by freely elected leaders and by our Constitution, the world would be a far better place. And an American jihad would not only hope for this outcome, but work toward it"




So spreading freedom and the american constitution forcefully ...is the perfect answer for the world
WTF
Even as satire... the guy is unhinged.


Are you sure some of our Republican posters didnt write this ? I could name a few who seem capable of such stupidity.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 2:54:24 PM   
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I ain't joining no jihad.....I'm Irish,we don't do facial hair real well.


Are you trying to tell us that you would rather fuck than fight?

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 3:00:27 PM   
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Note: The article is entitled "The Horror before the beheadings."

And you don't understand that that one step they take it further overrides anything else? You don't understand that we did this to terrorists whereas they do it to innocents and that overrides anything else?



You must have missed last weeks outcome of the Blackwater guys found guilty of murdering Iraqi civilians by a federal jury.

Edited to add link. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/10/22/blackwater-guilty-killings-iraq/17729211/


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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 3:05:55 PM   
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Note: The article is entitled "The Horror before the beheadings."

And you don't understand that that one step they take it further overrides anything else? You don't understand that we did this to terrorists whereas they do it to innocents and that overrides anything else?



You must have missed last weeks outcome of the Blackwater guys found guilty of murdering Iraqi civilians by a federal jury.

Edited to add link. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/10/22/blackwater-guilty-killings-iraq/17729211/

Yes, I did. Make sure you bring us the article when these radicals are brought to trial and found guilty, won't you?

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 3:13:08 PM   
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Yes, I did. Make sure you bring us the article when these radicals are brought to trial and found guilty, won't you?

Has it escaped your notice that black water worked for the u.s.?

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 4:45:01 PM   
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You don't understand that we did this to terrorists whereas they do it to innocents and that overrides anything else?


I suspect he is pissy at being proved wrong.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/29/2014 9:32:19 PM   
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If not it has escaped him that he said this.

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You don't understand that we did this to terrorists whereas they do it to innocents and that overrides anything else?


I suspect he is pissy at being proved wrong.
In what way? In the context of my response to the cloud?

He spoke of the terrorists and how it was our torture of them that wrought their torture AND beheading of innocent journalists. I disagreed that their torture and beheading of innocent journalists is solely the fault of our torturing the terrorists. That was my sole disagreement with the cloud. He walked it back until he finally said he didn't agree with the beheading but like most on here...right and left...he had to throw a "but" in.

As for the rest of the shit that others have put in...I wasn't arguing with them.

But you have a nice night in your world where you are ever so right.

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/30/2014 12:43:57 PM   
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I ain't joining no jihad.....I'm Irish,we don't do facial hair real well.


Are you trying to tell us that you would rather fuck than fight?


That was rhetorical,right ?

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RE: Frontline: How the US lost IRAQ - 10/30/2014 12:56:03 PM   
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