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The toxicology report is out? Where? All we had was Arturas saying the kid was high on pot and nothing to back that up. I may have missed the article if there was one.

Another strategic leak from the county. The family is countering that they want to see a drug test from the cop.

I got it off the Google news feed, but don't recall the specific source. Should be easy to find, with a couple clicks.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

The toxicology report is out? Where? All we had was Arturas saying the kid was high on pot and nothing to back that up. I may have missed the article if there was one.

Another strategic leak from the county. The family is countering that they want to see a drug test from the cop.

I got it off the Google news feed, but don't recall the specific source. Should be easy to find, with a couple clicks.

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Inherently, a drug test on the cop is not unreasonable. I'm sure it's a red herring and an attempt to project blame, but evidence is evidence and there's no reason not to do it (assuming they took the blood in the first place, of course -- alcohol would be well out of his system by now as well as many other drugs) and their metabolites). In many jurisidictions after a shooting isn't a drug test SOP?

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I would certainly think the officer would have been tested for alcohol/drugs in his system, but won't pretend I know for sure.

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It's amazing how color struck some people are in this country, especially considering the diversity here. To be honest, it's bewildering for people who are foreign. YEARS before Obama was elected president (wow, so amazing?), Ireland had a Nigerian mayor. At the end of the day, you are all Americans, this is how the entire world sees you.You're not Irish American or Italian American or African American unless you were actally born in those countries and not here. Trying to paint oneself as better than a counterpart because of dark skin or blue eyes is sort of pointless and the occurrences of race related crimes doesn't pan out to being politically and judicially mature.
Sorry if my comments are rude, I just didn't know if you guys were aware of how you LOOK to the rest of the world when things like this make you this riled. They kind of smile and nod and nudge each other while refraining to laugh. I think there should be some introspection in how these issues are handled perhaps.

I was struck by this today:

>>There we have the familiar narrative: another unarmed black man unjustly killed. Brown thus joins a long, sad list — Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, etc. — that seems to have no end.

This story line is unassailable. Anyone who thinks race is not a factor in these fatal encounters should have to cite examples of unarmed, young, white men being killed by trigger-happy police or self-appointed vigilantes. Names and dates, please.<<

Unassailable? Really. Do you feel that examples of unarmed, young and old white men and women, and pregnant women being killed by punch- and violence-happy black thugs or self-appointed "ofay" haters (ain't no "o" word, is there?) are somehow not part of the discussion? Because almost every "knockout game" attack has been black-on-white, many filled with "cracker" and other epithets.

As far a black cop killing an unarmed white man sitting on the hood of his car, yes (the white man did use racial slurs, but as far as I know, only Eric Holder would view that as deserving of the death penalty): http://www.texasconservativerepublicannews.com/2011/07/police-officers-say-orange-tx-cop.html. The black cop had a history of violence, too.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

It's amazing how color struck some people are in this country, especially considering the diversity here. To be honest, it's bewildering for people who are foreign. YEARS before Obama was elected president (wow, so amazing?), Ireland had a Nigerian mayor. At the end of the day, you are all Americans, this is how the entire world sees you.You're not Irish American or Italian American or African American unless you were actally born in those countries and not here. Trying to paint oneself as better than a counterpart because of dark skin or blue eyes is sort of pointless and the occurrences of race related crimes doesn't pan out to being politically and judicially mature.
Sorry if my comments are rude, I just didn't know if you guys were aware of how you LOOK to the rest of the world when things like this make you this riled. They kind of smile and nod and nudge each other while refraining to laugh. I think there should be some introspection in how these issues are handled perhaps.

I was struck by this today:

>>There we have the familiar narrative: another unarmed black man unjustly killed. Brown thus joins a long, sad list — Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, etc. — that seems to have no end.

This story line is unassailable. Anyone who thinks race is not a factor in these fatal encounters should have to cite examples of unarmed, young, white men being killed by trigger-happy police or self-appointed vigilantes. Names and dates, please.<<

Unassailable? Really. Do you feel that examples of unarmed, young and old white men and women, and pregnant women being killed by punch- and violence-happy black thugs or self-appointed "ofay" haters (ain't no "o" word, is there?) are somehow not part of the discussion? Because almost every "knockout game" attack has been black-on-white, many filled with "cracker" and other epithets.

As far a black cop killing an unarmed white man sitting on the hood of his car, yes (the white man did use racial slurs, but as far as I know, only Eric Holder would view that as deserving of the death penalty): http://www.texasconservativerepublicannews.com/2011/07/police-officers-say-orange-tx-cop.html. The black cop had a history of violence, too.

Looks like you got way less than half the story. The cop won in arbitration and should have gotten his job back. IOW he acted in self defense.
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/22945856/family-of-veteran-killed-by-off-duty-police-officer-still-hopes-for-justice

The right wing sites are pushing a racist story because that fits the prejudices of their readers. If you had bothered to investigate you would have seen that it wasn't anything at all like what you claimed.

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No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

No. The point was made by correcting that.

It was criminal. Killing another human being is always a criminal act. It will be up to the cop to justify his actions. I don't think he can because the law only gives him 3 reasons to use deadly force and none apply.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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It's amazing how color struck some people are in this country, especially considering the diversity here. To be honest, it's bewildering for people who are foreign. YEARS before Obama was elected president (wow, so amazing?), Ireland had a Nigerian mayor. At the end of the day, you are all Americans, this is how the entire world sees you.You're not Irish American or Italian American or African American unless you were actally born in those countries and not here. Trying to paint oneself as better than a counterpart because of dark skin or blue eyes is sort of pointless and the occurrences of race related crimes doesn't pan out to being politically and judicially mature.
Sorry if my comments are rude, I just didn't know if you guys were aware of how you LOOK to the rest of the world when things like this make you this riled. They kind of smile and nod and nudge each other while refraining to laugh. I think there should be some introspection in how these issues are handled perhaps.

I was struck by this today:

>>There we have the familiar narrative: another unarmed black man unjustly killed. Brown thus joins a long, sad list — Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, etc. — that seems to have no end.

This story line is unassailable. Anyone who thinks race is not a factor in these fatal encounters should have to cite examples of unarmed, young, white men being killed by trigger-happy police or self-appointed vigilantes. Names and dates, please.<<

Unassailable? Really. Do you feel that examples of unarmed, young and old white men and women, and pregnant women being killed by punch- and violence-happy black thugs or self-appointed "ofay" haters (ain't no "o" word, is there?) are somehow not part of the discussion? Because almost every "knockout game" attack has been black-on-white, many filled with "cracker" and other epithets.

As far a black cop killing an unarmed white man sitting on the hood of his car, yes (the white man did use racial slurs, but as far as I know, only Eric Holder would view that as deserving of the death penalty): http://www.texasconservativerepublicannews.com/2011/07/police-officers-say-orange-tx-cop.html. The black cop had a history of violence, too.

Looks like you got way less than half the story. The cop won in arbitration and should have gotten his job back. IOW he acted in self defense.
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/22945856/family-of-veteran-killed-by-off-duty-police-officer-still-hopes-for-justice

The right wing sites are pushing a racist story because that fits the prejudices of their readers. If you had bothered to investigate you would have seen that it wasn't anything at all like what you claimed.

You only think the court rulings count when you agree with them.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

No. The point was made by correcting that.

It was criminal. Killing another human being is always a criminal act. It will be up to the cop to justify his actions. I don't think he can because the law only gives him 3 reasons to use deadly force and none apply.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

It's amazing how color struck some people are in this country, especially considering the diversity here. To be honest, it's bewildering for people who are foreign. YEARS before Obama was elected president (wow, so amazing?), Ireland had a Nigerian mayor. At the end of the day, you are all Americans, this is how the entire world sees you.You're not Irish American or Italian American or African American unless you were actally born in those countries and not here. Trying to paint oneself as better than a counterpart because of dark skin or blue eyes is sort of pointless and the occurrences of race related crimes doesn't pan out to being politically and judicially mature.
Sorry if my comments are rude, I just didn't know if you guys were aware of how you LOOK to the rest of the world when things like this make you this riled. They kind of smile and nod and nudge each other while refraining to laugh. I think there should be some introspection in how these issues are handled perhaps.

I was struck by this today:

>>There we have the familiar narrative: another unarmed black man unjustly killed. Brown thus joins a long, sad list — Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, etc. — that seems to have no end.

This story line is unassailable. Anyone who thinks race is not a factor in these fatal encounters should have to cite examples of unarmed, young, white men being killed by trigger-happy police or self-appointed vigilantes. Names and dates, please.<<

Unassailable? Really. Do you feel that examples of unarmed, young and old white men and women, and pregnant women being killed by punch- and violence-happy black thugs or self-appointed "ofay" haters (ain't no "o" word, is there?) are somehow not part of the discussion? Because almost every "knockout game" attack has been black-on-white, many filled with "cracker" and other epithets.

As far a black cop killing an unarmed white man sitting on the hood of his car, yes (the white man did use racial slurs, but as far as I know, only Eric Holder would view that as deserving of the death penalty): http://www.texasconservativerepublicannews.com/2011/07/police-officers-say-orange-tx-cop.html. The black cop had a history of violence, too.

Looks like you got way less than half the story. The cop won in arbitration and should have gotten his job back. IOW he acted in self defense.
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/22945856/family-of-veteran-killed-by-off-duty-police-officer-still-hopes-for-justice

The right wing sites are pushing a racist story because that fits the prejudices of their readers. If you had bothered to investigate you would have seen that it wasn't anything at all like what you claimed.

You only think the court rulings count when you agree with them.

Wrong. You really are a monumental dumbass.

I can disagree with a court's opinion and work to change it but I always accept a court's ruling and obey it. It is fundamental to the rule of law. It is the difference between liberals who believe in this country and conservatives who wish to destroy it.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

No. The point was made by correcting that.

It was criminal. Killing another human being is always a criminal act. It will be up to the cop to justify his actions. I don't think he can because the law only gives him 3 reasons to use deadly force and none apply.

Killing another human being is not always a criminal act. Otherwise all self-defense is a criminal act. Justifiable homicide and criminal homicide have no mathematical points of intersection.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

No. The point was made by correcting that.

It was criminal. Killing another human being is always a criminal act. It will be up to the cop to justify his actions. I don't think he can because the law only gives him 3 reasons to use deadly force and none apply.

Killing another human being is not always a criminal act. Otherwise all self-defense is a criminal act. Justifiable homicide and criminal homicide have no mathematical points of intersection.

No. Homicide is a crime. There may be circumstances that excuse it but a crime was still committed. That's why when you plead self defense you are found "not guilty by reason of self defense" instead of strictly "not guilty." The crime still occurred and you admitted doing it but you argued that there was sufficient mitigating circumstances that the law excuses your act.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

No. The point was made by correcting that.

It was criminal. Killing another human being is always a criminal act. It will be up to the cop to justify his actions. I don't think he can because the law only gives him 3 reasons to use deadly force and none apply.

NO killing another human being is not always a criminal act. Do you realize that homicide does not mean murder it means death at the hands of another human being. Justifiable homicide is just a fancy term for self defense.
By your definition every soldier who has killed an enemy is a criminal.
This simply displays the extent of your delusion concerning self defense.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

You know, it is kind of funny that all you can point out is that I left out an implied word surrounding a debate as to whether or not the act was criminal or not. If all you have in your arsenal is critiquing my grammar, that is fairly weak.

No. The point was made by correcting that.

It was criminal. Killing another human being is always a criminal act. It will be up to the cop to justify his actions. I don't think he can because the law only gives him 3 reasons to use deadly force and none apply.

Killing another human being is not always a criminal act. Otherwise all self-defense is a criminal act. Justifiable homicide and criminal homicide have no mathematical points of intersection.

No. Homicide is a crime. There may be circumstances that excuse it but a crime was still committed. That's why when you plead self defense you are found "not guilty by reason of self defense" instead of strictly "not guilty." The crime still occurred and you admitted doing it but you argued that there was sufficient mitigating circumstances that the law excuses your act.

Dude, that is wrong. Check a dictionary. And I say dude because you must be smoking something to believe that.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yes dumbass, homicide means murder. Go look it up.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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Yes dumbass, homicide means murder. Go look it up.

Then my use of the word homicide means murder? But... but... but... you said it didn't.