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This one is just too fucking funny not to share. The HuffnPoo reporter who got hassled at the McDonalds found spent "rubber bullets" in the street.

Damn, and here all this time I've been sticking those in my ears!

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My point is that shooting six bullets into the unarmed victim is a damning fact. It's a bit like Res ipsa loquitur in a tort case. I lay down my tent pole here. I suspect more is at play implicating the police department, and that less will be available to exonerate the officer in the shooting.

If you were this officer's defense attorney --- the six shots into the unarmed, 18 year old victim would be the most difficult fact to explain. I don't see how you can do it.

There is a simple problem, you are using a post hoc logical fallacy: because 6 shots were fired then it was homicide. The kid was shot, the cop shot him, it was homicide, is jumping to a conclusion. I can easily explain several ways it could happen.

1. It was, in fact, a homicide and the cop executed this kid.

2. The kid got into a scuffle with the cop, the cop panicked and shot the kid multiple times. Excessive force was used.

3. The kit assaulted the cop, went for his gun, it was fired once, the kid ran away and turned around to surrender and the cop thought there was a weapon in his hand and defended himself. Questionable shooting, but not unreasonable seeing that the kid went for the weapon to begin with.

4. The kid assaulted the cop, the gun went off, the kid ran, and then went for the cop again, the cop felt he was in danger, he fired his weapon multiple times because the kid never stopped charging.

5. The kid was higher than a kite on PCP and thought the cop was Barney the Purple Dinosaur. The kid hated Barney and wanted to kill the cop.

If I can just rattle these scenarios off the top of my head and if I spent more time thinking about it I could come up with a few more, why is your explanation the only one that fits? The thing speaks for itself (Res Ipsa Loquitor) is not always the case, especially in a criminal investigation where that doesn't even apply. There is way to much reasonable doubt at this point to say anything either way. If you want to try this guy before the investigation is over, that is your prerogative. I just hope that you are never in a situation where you have killed someone and it really looks like it was homicide, but in reality it was an accident or self-defense, and that everyone around you convicts you before your trial. It is a shitty thing to do to someone that may well be innocent of a crime. Do as you wish, but for my way of thinking, I will wait until the investigation is complete to form an opinion.

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Possibly if you got between someone and the MnM's but even then I doubt it. Maybe if you were bogarting the smoke.

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cite examples of unarmed, young, white men being killed by trigger-happy police or self-appointed vigilantes. Names and dates, please.<<

Familiar narrative no matter what the facts say it is always about race.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
This one is just too fucking funny not to share. The HuffnPoo reporter who got hassled at the McDonalds found spent "rubber bullets" in the street.

Damn, and here all this time I've been sticking those in my ears!

It's not like you find them at rock concerts, construction sites, home workshops, the nightstands of snorer's spouses, airplanes, or any other noisy environment...

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My point is that shooting six bullets into the unarmed victim is a damning fact. It's a bit like Res ipsa loquitur in a tort case. I lay down my tent pole here. I suspect more is at play implicating the police department, and that less will be available to exonerate the officer in the shooting.

If you were this officer's defense attorney --- the six shots into the unarmed, 18 year old victim would be the most difficult fact to explain. I don't see how you can do it.

There is a simple problem, you are using a post hoc logical fallacy: because 6 shots were fired then it was homicide. The kid was shot, the cop shot him, it was homicide, is jumping to a conclusion. I can easily explain several ways it could happen.

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It's amazing how color struck some people are in this country, especially considering the diversity here. To be honest, it's bewildering for people who are foreign. YEARS before Obama was elected president (wow, so amazing?), Ireland had a Nigerian mayor. At the end of the day, you are all Americans, this is how the entire world sees you.You're not Irish American or Italian American or African American unless you were actally born in those countries and not here. Trying to paint oneself as better than a counterpart because of dark skin or blue eyes is sort of pointless and the occurrences of race related crimes doesn't pan out to being politically and judicially mature.
Sorry if my comments are rude, I just didn't know if you guys were aware of how you LOOK to the rest of the world when things like this make you this riled. They kind of smile and nod and nudge each other while refraining to laugh. I think there should be some introspection in how these issues are handled perhaps.

I was struck by this today:

>>There we have the familiar narrative: another unarmed black man unjustly killed. Brown thus joins a long, sad list — Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, etc. — that seems to have no end.

This story line is unassailable. Anyone who thinks race is not a factor in these fatal encounters should have to cite examples of unarmed, young, white men being killed by trigger-happy police or self-appointed vigilantes. Names and dates, please.<<

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My point is that shooting six bullets into the unarmed victim is a damning fact. It's a bit like Res ipsa loquitur in a tort case. I lay down my tent pole here. I suspect more is at play implicating the police department, and that less will be available to exonerate the officer in the shooting.

If you were this officer's defense attorney --- the six shots into the unarmed, 18 year old victim would be the most difficult fact to explain. I don't see how you can do it.

There is a simple problem, you are using a post hoc logical fallacy: because 6 shots were fired then it was homicide. The kid was shot, the cop shot him, it was homicide, is jumping to a conclusion. I can easily explain several ways it could happen.

No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

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Unassailable? Really. Do you feel that examples of unarmed, young and old white men and women, and pregnant women being killed by punch- and violence-happy black thugs or self-appointed "ofay" haters (ain't no "o" word, is there?) are somehow not part of the discussion? Because almost every "knockout game" attack has been black-on-white, many filled with "cracker" and other epithets.

As far a black cop killing an unarmed white man sitting on the hood of his car, yes (the white man did use racial slurs, but as far as I know, only Eric Holder would view that as deserving of the death penalty): http://www.texasconservativerepublicannews.com/2011/07/police-officers-say-orange-tx-cop.html. The black cop had a history of violence, too.

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The officer's behavior is hard to fathom. Stopping someone for jay walking and then firing six shots into the jay walker after an "altercation." It does not add up.

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Unassailable? Really. Do you feel that examples of unarmed, young and old white men and women, and pregnant women being killed by punch- and violence-happy black thugs or self-appointed "ofay" haters (ain't no "o" word, is there?) are somehow not part of the discussion? Because almost every "knockout game" attack has been black-on-white, many filled with "cracker" and other epithets.

As far a black cop killing an unarmed white man sitting on the hood of his car, yes (the white man did use racial slurs, but as far as I know, only Eric Holder would view that as deserving of the death penalty): http://www.texasconservativerepublicannews.com/2011/07/police-officers-say-orange-tx-cop.html. The black cop had a history of violence, too.

Hmmmmm someone removed the webpage at the link.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

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(1) I don't know the policeman's state of mind. There is little to go on regarding mens rea.

(2) It's hard to see the shooting as self defense. The policeman panics, he fires a a shot that hits brown. The policeman is holding the gun. Logic says the victim either tries to escape or surrender. Illogic says he then charges the officer.

(3) The officer made a mistake. Would this lead to an excessive force conviction? Hard to see how you can argue he made a reasonable mistake.

(4) This would conflict with three eye witness accounts from Johnson, Tiffany Mitchell, and Piaget Crenshaw.

(5) See above. This would assume brown charging the officer, I take it.

What remains to be seen is if Wilson will have any corroborating witnesses, and what the forensics reports will indicate.

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(1) I don't know the policeman's state of mind. There is little to go on regarding mens rea.

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No. It is a homicide and always will remain so. The question will it be ruled a justifiable one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before pontificating.

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FR

As for the MJ in the dead thug's system, that was a given. Why do you think they were stealing cheap cigars?

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Odd. I literally grabbed it 10 minutes ago. Try this instead: http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/justice-james-black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-veteran-orange-tx-over-racial-slur-0057061

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FR

As for the MJ in the dead thug's system, that was a given. Why do you think they were stealing cheap cigars?

The toxicology report is out? Where? All we had was Arturas saying the kid was high on pot and nothing to back that up. I may have missed the article if there was one.

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Odd. I literally grabbed it 10 minutes ago. Try this instead: http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/justice-james-black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-veteran-orange-tx-over-racial-slur-0057061

That one worked. Thank you.

I think you'll find good portion of stories about "reverse" discrimination/racism will be removed from the interwebz in the next few weeks.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

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The toxicology report is out? Where? All we had was Arturas saying the kid was high on pot and nothing to back that up. I may have missed the article if there was one.

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He meant the toxicology report on cloudboy is out. They've never seen anything like it before.