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ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/19/2014 5:59:04 PM)
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ORIGINAL: eulero83
I don't know what happens in the whole europe, I'm italian I can only talk about northern italy, I traveled but never had interactions with law enforcement outside that area.
For what's the general attitude there are illegal things and less illegal things, so jaywalking is not comparable to theft, and just implying that is something makes me wonder if you are serious or if you are exagerating it on purpose, in the case of walking in the middle of the street, they would probably just briefly stop say "guys plese use the sidewalk" and then go away, but the whole thing of not using the sidewalk is that big deal here, as I said traffic law is more pedestrian friendly here. Actually my father jaywalked some days ago he was called by a traffic officer but didn't stopped acting like he didn't hear and they didn't bothered to run after him. Anyway it would be for me unbelivable that someone reacts voilently over a 25€ fine and I'm sure of one thing... no gun would have been drawn.
I understand the difference between a relatively minor crime and something more serious. What you don't seem to understand is, this wasn't about "jaywalking". It may have started with something relatively minor, but then it escalated. Even ignoring everything else, Brown's buddy admitted that Brown pushed the officer as he tried to exit his vehicle. That's assault. Do Italian police ignore people assaulting them?
You keep saying "jaywalking" which implies someone crossing a street where they shouldn't. That's not really the same thing as someone who's not trying to cross, but is just walking down the center of the street. That may be something else you don't get, maybe people don't do that in Italy, but for some reason it's not all that uncommon here. Groups (usually older kids 16-18ish) just walk down the middle of the street as if they have every right to be there, then get belligerent if you honk at them to stop blocking traffic. Gauge commented on this same thing a few pages back.
As far as people getting violent over stupid things, ask any police officer if it's ever happened to them. I used to work retail, and have been threatened over things that would seem moronic to anyone else. I once had a customer call me a "faggot" and threaten to beat my ass over a $30 game that he wanted to return with no receipt and no box. I eventually had to call the police and have him removed from the store. So I have no problem believing that someone would start a fight over a minor ticket. Especially not if he also had a box of stolen cigars in his pocket at the time.
I don't know why the officer went for his gun rather then trying something non-lethal first. To me, this tends to make me think there's something to the officer's claim that Brown went for his weapon. If Brown had already tried to steal the officer's weapon, and he was charging at the officer again, it's safe to assume he would have tried to do so again if he got close enough. (This is of course making the assumption that what the officer says is true and A: he had tried to take the gun and B: he was charging) As more facts come out, maybe this will turn out not to be the case and the officer just plain fucked up. If the facts support it, I'll be happy to concede the officer's guilt, but as of now I just don't see it.
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