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Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A little better than the sourcing I had earlier. Not sure this is a sure thing yet.

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They do seem to have trouble coming up with good poster children, don't they. It's nowhere near as bad as when they need to guilt people into feeling bad about the way-too-long execution of a murderer, and his crime had been to gut-shoot a woman before burying her alive.

It really is a shame about the poster child thing, because there are real issues to be raised in a tragedy like Ferguson. I saw another person was killed by St. Louis police just a few miles from where Brown died. Two cops, one crazy acting guy with a knife. It seems like maybe one of them could have had the tazer out, instead of the gun

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Or, maybe we can just train cops not to be assholes on a power trip.

Or maybe you could try to remember that we're talking about an actual situation here, not about your projections. It has not been established that the police officer responded inappropriately, let alone that he was an "asshole on a power trip."

K.

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meaning that a kid fighting a cop is strange and unbelivable.

eulero

here it is not at all uncommon.
And I said that there is no reasonable correlation between your fathers case and this one.
As for your 3 witnesses one is his accomplice and read my first post in this thread.

I know there was no reasonable correlation I answered to a specific question on a different subject, I'm not relationg the two, I was asked if an italian cop would have given up in front of someone breaking the law and provided an example I'm aware of where it happened over a jaywalking offence.

your first post here is about something happened in a place called selma, in a different time, so I really don't understand what you mean.
About the witnesses... can you discredit the two girls with something different from "they are black"?

Where did he discredit the two girls because they were black?

maybe I was not clear, I asked him to prove they were not reliable witnesses or give credit ti their words, and in doing this in the next future not using the reason: "they are part of the same ethnical group as brown", I wanted to know what was in BamaD opinion the reason why they should lie about what they saw. He later answering my question used the terms "friends and neighbours", so I suppose he knows the two woman were or friend or neighbour of Brown, otherwise I don't know how he deduced it if not by the skin colour.

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Or, maybe we can just train cops not to be assholes on a power trip. Maybe we can remind them that they are public servants and not feudal lords to be obeyed no matter what. Maybe we could change the homespun wisdom of law enforcement which you and others apparently subscribe to. It's not as if any of their bullshit methods actually work to keep society safe, so who's kidding whom here?

The majority of them already know all that. It's the ones who don't who make the rest look bad. And because the media primarily focuses on the assholes, those are the only ones you usually hear about. I think it was GoddessManko who posted a link to a story about a cop doing good things but no one wants to talk about those cases.

It's the downside of wearing an uniform and using a badge, once they wear it they are no more private citizens but part of the police force, this also means that any bad action will fall on the entire group. It is also an istituton with a hierarchy so officials are always responsible for anything their subalterns do. So if there are assholes then the group is responsible for not having spotted and removed those unfit for the job.
I'm sure those police forces that can train their officers properly in integrate better in the community they operate are prised by a healty enviroment and more respect by the people instead of media attention.
For what I could understand ferguson police as a group has been detached and questionable since before one week ago.

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IN REPLY TO EVERYBODY ---------------- NOT TAKIN' SIDES HERE YET.
THIS IS A BLACK GUY RAGGIN ON BLACK CRAP THAT GOES ON.

The black folks might listen to this one, I got some pix to show that would support some of his points if I could figure out how to load them on here.

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Eh? I don't have "a story". What are you talking about? I'm on the other side of the Atlantic and, to me, this is just another little paragraph in one chapter of a huge big fat book about Americans blowing each others' brains out with their beloved guns. A bit of a boring book too, if I'm honest.

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Or, maybe we can just train cops not to be assholes on a power trip. Maybe we can remind them that they are public servants and not feudal lords to be obeyed no matter what. Maybe we could change the homespun wisdom of law enforcement which you and others apparently subscribe to. It's not as if any of their bullshit methods actually work to keep society safe, so who's kidding whom here?

The majority of them already know all that. It's the ones who don't who make the rest look bad. And because the media primarily focuses on the assholes, those are the only ones you usually hear about. I think it was GoddessManko who posted a link to a story about a cop doing good things but no one wants to talk about those cases.

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I do see your point. If there was medical treatment after the fact though, no one except Wilson himself or someone he gives permission to discuss can reveal it though based on HIPPA law. Until that happens, I'm not sure folks can say one way or the other with any degree of certainty if he was or wasn't injured during the struggle.

And yet a whole lot of people are speaking with a whole lot of certainty about Brown's actions

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Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A little better than the sourcing I had earlier. Not sure this is a sure thing yet.

At this point I think the integrity of both those sources are in question....hence the federal investigation.

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Or, maybe we can just train cops not to be assholes on a power trip. Maybe we can remind them that they are public servants and not feudal lords to be obeyed no matter what. Maybe we could change the homespun wisdom of law enforcement which you and others apparently subscribe to. It's not as if any of their bullshit methods actually work to keep society safe, so who's kidding whom here?

The majority of them already know all that. It's the ones who don't who make the rest look bad. And because the media primarily focuses on the assholes, those are the only ones you usually hear about. I think it was GoddessManko who posted a link to a story about a cop doing good things but no one wants to talk about those cases.

It's the downside of wearing an uniform and using a badge, once they wear it they are no more private citizens but part of the police force, this also means that any bad action will fall on the entire group. It is also an istituton with a hierarchy so officials are always responsible for anything their subalterns do. So if there are assholes then the group is responsible for not having spotted and removed those unfit for the job.
I'm sure those police forces that can train their officers properly in integrate better in the community they operate are prised by a healty enviroment and more respect by the people instead of media attention.
For what I could understand ferguson police as a group has been detached and questionable since before one week ago.

The fact that some assholes are bigoted toward cops is indeed a downside and yes I suppose they are going to have to deal with it. That doesn't mean it's not wrong or that people should stop pointing out that it's wrong. And while it would be nice if they all were automatically perfect citizens because they put on that uniform, we live in the real world and that's not how things always work.

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You have that on good nutsacker authority or what? Get that from Issa or from Harry Gowdy?

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Again you posted bullshit and got called on it. That you posted weasel words doesn't change that fact. Grow up.

Ferguson, Missouri, Police Chief Thomas Jackson said on Wednesday the officer involved in the shooting of a black, unarmed teenager last weekend had been injured during the incident and was treated in the hospital for swelling on the side of his face. ~KMOV St. Louis

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Being hit doesn't give the cop the right to shoot. That you think it does is troubling.

No, just being hit wouldn't. Since I never said any such thing, I find it troubling that you think I did.

Now if Brown had hit him hard enough to cause real damage, and tried to take his weapon, and was coming back at the officer when the fatal shot was fired (all of which has been alleged but not proven), that's a very different story. So, as I've said already, if the facts come out supporting Brown, I'll be happy to see Ofc. Wilson put away. I'll even admit that I was wrong, as I've done before. I think it was even to you, Ken. But if the facts exonerate Wilson, are you willing to do the same?

Even if what Wilson claims happened is what happened he was not justified in shooting.

A LEO is only allowed to use deadly force in 3 circumstances.
1) to protect his life.
2) to protect the life of another
3) to stop a dangerous felon from fleeing

If Brown was charging him 2 and 3 do not apply so he has to be claiming 1. But Brown was unarmed and Wilson is a trained LEO with nonlethal weapons at his disposal and he knows backup is on the way, since he called for it and has heard the radio response that it is arriving very soon (less than 2 minutes after the call was made), so his life was not actually threatened. So 1 does not apply either.

So the use of lethal force was not justified. It was murder. I do not expect you to believe that or the pro cop DA to prosecute it but those are the facts.

B S
you have told me before how easy it is to disarm and subdue a trained LEO even after he has broken your arm.
If Wilson's vision was affected it would have put him at a greater disadvantage. Besides if you know half what you claim to you know that backup on the way doesn't protect you now.

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Being hit doesn't give the cop the right to shoot. That you think it does is troubling.

No, just being hit wouldn't. Since I never said any such thing, I find it troubling that you think I did.

Now if Brown had hit him hard enough to cause real damage, and tried to take his weapon, and was coming back at the officer when the fatal shot was fired (all of which has been alleged but not proven), that's a very different story. So, as I've said already, if the facts come out supporting Brown, I'll be happy to see Ofc. Wilson put away. I'll even admit that I was wrong, as I've done before. I think it was even to you, Ken. But if the facts exonerate Wilson, are you willing to do the same?

Even if what Wilson claims happened is what happened he was not justified in shooting.

A LEO is only allowed to use deadly force in 3 circumstances.
1) to protect his life.
2) to protect the life of another
3) to stop a dangerous felon from fleeing

If Brown was charging him 2 and 3 do not apply so he has to be claiming 1. But Brown was unarmed and Wilson is a trained LEO with nonlethal weapons at his disposal and he knows backup is on the way, since he called for it and has heard the radio response that it is arriving very soon (less than 2 minutes after the call was made), so his life was not actually threatened. So 1 does not apply either.

So the use of lethal force was not justified. It was murder. I do not expect you to believe that or the pro cop DA to prosecute it but those are the facts.

So the answer is no. You don't have the balls to admit that you're wrong if Wilson is exonerated. That's what I thought. You've also just admitted your bias, no matter what facts come out or evidence is found, you've already decided that he's guilty. Good to know.

His life can't be in danger because he called for help and it should get there soon? Two minutes is an eternity if someone wants you dead.

What happened to that Law & Order stance you were taking earlier? Where you insisted that the other shooting we were discussing was justified because the DA didn't prosecute. Now if this DA won't prosecute it's because there's an ulterior motive? What a fucking hypocrite you are.

And finally, don't tell me what I think or what I'll believe. I've already said, over and over, that if the facts warrant it I'll be happy to see Wilson in prison. You're the asshole who makes every shooting out to be an execution, regardless of the details. Oh wait, that's right, every shooting but one. What was different about that one again? You know, the one where you reversed pretty much everything you've ever said about a shooting? Which of those 3 deadly force circumstances were valid in that case Ken?