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Sanity -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/27/2014 7:17:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I never said one word about reverse racism. I merely pointed out a clearly racist comment. If Brown didn't attack Wilson were did the injuries come from. You are so bigoted (white guilt) that you actually believe that if someone pushed into a home and attacks the homeowner the only explanation for shooting him is that he was black. The whole world is to the sane side of that. There is no such thing as "reverse racism." Someone or something, policy etc, is either racist or it isn't. People who use that term are only making excuses for their own atrocious attitudes and behavior.

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/27/2014 7:22:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I never said one word about reverse racism. I merely pointed out a clearly racist comment. If Brown didn't attack Wilson were did the injuries come from. You are so bigoted (white guilt) that you actually believe that if someone pushed into a home and attacks the homeowner the only explanation for shooting him is that he was black. The whole world is to the sane side of that. There is no such thing as "reverse racism." Someone or something, policy etc, is either racist or it isn't. People who use that term are only making excuses for their own atrocious attitudes and behavior. I would have pointed that out but he can't wrap his head around the idea that the prime source in his story would be in the Klan if she was white. The concept of blacks being racist is beyond his comprehension.

AQRMZ -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/27/2014 7:28:28 PM)
Just read this on AOL can't get the url. By RYAN GORMAN An explosive new lawsuit filed in St. Louis seeking the release of Michael Brown's juvenile criminal record alleges the slain teen was a gang member and faced a second degree murder charge. The citizen journalism website GotNews took St. Louis County authorities to court Wednesday to secure the release of the records because it believes they do not need to be kept private since he is no longer alive. The unarmed Brown was fatally shot earlier this month by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. He has no criminal record as an adult, but only because he had recently turned 18, claims GotNews Editor-in-chief Charles Johnson. The citizen journo wrote in a Wednesday afternoon post to his site and on Twitter that he was told by law enforcement sources the black teen has a juvenile arrest record that is being kept private. Johnson also claims cops told him that Brown's juvenile arrest record contains a second-degree murder charge and that he is a member of the notorious Crips street gang. "To find out if those police officers are correct requires seeing Brown's juvenile arrest record, which ought to be freely available given that he is dead and therefore has no right to privacy remaining," insists Johnson. "Knowing the truth about Brown's past will help us gauge the credibility of his parents and family who have called him a 'gentle giant.'" Johnson cites the previous instance of William L. Halstead, a white 18-year-old who stole a packet of cigarettes. Halstead was beaten by a security guard until his neck was broken and he was paralyzed, Johnson recalls. The teen died 19 days later. "Halstead's juvenile arrest record was released as part of a wrongful death suit filed by his family, much to their protestation." AOL News was not immediately able to reach St. Louis County authorities for comment on the lawsuit or its claims. --------------------------------------------------------- Should be an interesting few days coming up.

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/27/2014 7:33:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQRMZ Just read this on AOL can't get the url. By RYAN GORMAN An explosive new lawsuit filed in St. Louis seeking the release of Michael Brown's juvenile criminal record alleges the slain teen was a gang member and faced a second degree murder charge. The citizen journalism website GotNews took St. Louis County authorities to court Wednesday to secure the release of the records because it believes they do not need to be kept private since he is no longer alive. The unarmed Brown was fatally shot earlier this month by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. He has no criminal record as an adult, but only because he had recently turned 18, claims GotNews Editor-in-chief Charles Johnson. The citizen journo wrote in a Wednesday afternoon post to his site and on Twitter that he was told by law enforcement sources the black teen has a juvenile arrest record that is being kept private. Johnson also claims cops told him that Brown's juvenile arrest record contains a second-degree murder charge and that he is a member of the notorious Crips street gang. "To find out if those police officers are correct requires seeing Brown's juvenile arrest record, which ought to be freely available given that he is dead and therefore has no right to privacy remaining," insists Johnson. "Knowing the truth about Brown's past will help us gauge the credibility of his parents and family who have called him a 'gentle giant.'" Johnson cites the previous instance of William L. Halstead, a white 18-year-old who stole a packet of cigarettes. Halstead was beaten by a security guard until his neck was broken and he was paralyzed, Johnson recalls. The teen died 19 days later. "Halstead's juvenile arrest record was released as part of a wrongful death suit filed by his family, much to their protestation." AOL News was not immediately able to reach St. Louis County authorities for comment on the lawsuit or its claims. ------------------------------------------------------ Should be an interesting few days coming up. While this is alleged, not proven, publishing this story is as fair as the hit piece Cloud is so proud of. Any bets on him calling this, if accurate, as decisive as his guilt by association piece?

Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/27/2014 7:42:11 PM)
Here is the URL: http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/27/lawsuit-to-release-michael-browns-juvenile-criminal-record/20953546/

kdsub -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 2:30:48 PM)
Some... none... or all may be true...but...What happened between Brown and the police officer is a separate incident that can and should stand against established law. The police officer evidently was not aware of Brown's record and even if he were that knowledge should have no effect on the officers actions. It will, and should, all come down in the end to whether the officer feared for his life and defended himself from immediate harm... or after there was no immediate need to defend his life he took one. Butch

BitYakin -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 2:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Some... none... or all may be true...but...What happened between Brown and the police officer is a separate incident that can and should stand against established law. The police officer evidently was not aware of Brown's record and even if he were that knowledge should have no effect on the officers actions. It will, and should, all come down in the end to whether the officer feared for his life and defended himself from immediate harm... or after there was no immediate need to defend his life he took one. Butch while I agree the officer being unaware of previous actions has ZERO bearing on what he did at that moment in time, it does go to show a pattern of the deceased as being violent and prone to having done what the officer describes him as having done... also this from a law site, California not Missouri, but I bet its similar in most states http://www.attorneydickinson.com/2014/07/justifiable-homicide-by-police-officer.html A police officer is not guilty of murder or manslaughter if he killed someone while acting as a police officer. Such killing is justified, and therefore not unlawful, where he was a public officer, the killing was committed while performing a legal duty, the killing was necessary to accomplish that duty, and the officer had probable cause to believe the decedent posed a threat of death or great bodily injury to himself or another person, or that the decedent had committed a forcible and atrocious crime and that crime threatened the officer or others with death or great bodily injury. Source: Judicial Council of California Criminal Jury Instructions the KEY BIT is bolded IF brown did what the officer says he did (attacked him) it does fall under the last part since so far no eyewitness other than MR I LIED to cops BEFORE has been able to see things from the very beginning, BEFORE brown as THREW the window and cannot say whether brown was PULLED in or REACHED IN, the only CREDIBLE witness is the police officer and yes folks it REALLY IS just that SIMPLE!

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 2:58:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Some... none... or all may be true...but...What happened between Brown and the police officer is a separate incident that can and should stand against established law. The police officer evidently was not aware of Brown's record and even if he were that knowledge should have no effect on the officers actions. It will, and should, all come down in the end to whether the officer feared for his life and defended himself from immediate harm... or after there was no immediate need to defend his life he took one. Butch This should have no bearing on the verdict just like Cloudboy's shouldn't. And I do remember that you dissed that as well.

PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 5:42:20 PM)
quote: the KEY BIT is bolded Could you write the whole post again, BY, but this time putting the bolded bits in capitals? I can't treat anything as important unless it's written in capitals, I'm afraid. You just come across as a mumbling communist when you write in lower case, I have to say.

kdsub -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 6:07:11 PM)
THIS is worth a read... it gives some insight into the likely outcome of this case.... And a few ideas about how small Police Departments can be made more accountable and forced to train for accreditation. Something like how school districts are graded. Butch

cloudboy -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 6:33:27 PM)
Yes, the more I read up on it, the more unlikely it seems Wilson can be convicted of anything. The outcomes I'm hoping for are a restructuring of the Furgeson police department and a move away from issuing citations to raise municipal revenue. I also want to to hear and see what Wilson's side of the story is, because that's being guarded like some kind of state secret. The Supreme Court has made if very difficult to convict the police of anything: In recent years, the court has made it very difficult, and often impossible, to hold police officers and the governments that employ them accountable for civil rights violations. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/opinion/how-the-supreme-court-protects-bad-cops.html?_r=0

kdsub -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/28/2014 6:57:32 PM)
quote: I also want to to hear and see what Wilson's side of the story is Now you are talking... and it had better come out and they had better sell it hard... or the rioting won't just be in Ferguson if he is not charged. Butch

BitYakin -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/29/2014 1:28:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: the KEY BIT is bolded Could you write the whole post again, BY, but this time putting the bolded bits in capitals? I can't treat anything as important unless it's written in capitals, I'm afraid. You just come across as a mumbling communist when you write in lower case, I have to say. WHAT A SURPIZE, nothing to say so attack the way its written... WOWWWWW you WIN! HAHAHAHAHAHAH

DaddySatyr -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 12:10:34 AM)
I saw a youtube video that was a news report where a young lady claims to be an eyewitness. For what it's worth; she seems like she's being honest to me. Anyway, her version is that Brown did lean into the window and assault Wilson. However, she said that Wilson was firing at Brown as he was running away. If that is what happened: Game over as far as this guy being a cop. I am unaware of any agency that allows shots to be fired at an unarmed person (even if they are a criminal) when they're running away. If that tidbit turns out to be true, Brown may have felt that the only way to stop the gun fire aimed at him was to turn and remove the gun from the cop's hands. Self defense. Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me?

Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 12:36:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I saw a youtube video that was a news report where a young lady claims to be an eyewitness. For what it's worth; she seems like she's being honest to me. Anyway, her version is that Brown did lean into the window and assault Wilson. However, she said that Wilson was firing at Brown as he was running away. If that is what happened: Game over as far as this guy being a cop. I am unaware of any agency that allows shots to be fired at an unarmed person (even if they are a criminal) when they're running away. If that tidbit turns out to be true, Brown may have felt that the only way to stop the gun fire aimed at him was to turn and remove the gun from the cop's hands. Self defense. Her story cannot be correct, the autopsy revealed that he was shot from the front, not from behind.

thishereboi -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 4:06:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQRMZ Just read this on AOL can't get the url. By RYAN GORMAN An explosive new lawsuit filed in St. Louis seeking the release of Michael Brown's juvenile criminal record alleges the slain teen was a gang member and faced a second degree murder charge. The citizen journalism website GotNews took St. Louis County authorities to court Wednesday to secure the release of the records because it believes they do not need to be kept private since he is no longer alive. The unarmed Brown was fatally shot earlier this month by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. He has no criminal record as an adult, but only because he had recently turned 18, claims GotNews Editor-in-chief Charles Johnson. The citizen journo wrote in a Wednesday afternoon post to his site and on Twitter that he was told by law enforcement sources the black teen has a juvenile arrest record that is being kept private. Johnson also claims cops told him that Brown's juvenile arrest record contains a second-degree murder charge and that he is a member of the notorious Crips street gang. "To find out if those police officers are correct requires seeing Brown's juvenile arrest record, which ought to be freely available given that he is dead and therefore has no right to privacy remaining," insists Johnson. "Knowing the truth about Brown's past will help us gauge the credibility of his parents and family who have called him a 'gentle giant.'" Johnson cites the previous instance of William L. Halstead, a white 18-year-old who stole a packet of cigarettes. Halstead was beaten by a security guard until his neck was broken and he was paralyzed, Johnson recalls. The teen died 19 days later. "Halstead's juvenile arrest record was released as part of a wrongful death suit filed by his family, much to their protestation." AOL News was not immediately able to reach St. Louis County authorities for comment on the lawsuit or its claims. --------------------------------------------------------- Should be an interesting few days coming up. Nice bit of digging there. Such a shame that it doesn't mean jack shit. The cop had no way of knowing Browns history and it has no bearing on his actions that day. And as far as his mom is concerned of course she said he was a good boy. He was her son for fucks sake. What did you think she was going to say.

igor2003 -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 5:31:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I saw a youtube video that was a news report where a young lady claims to be an eyewitness. For what it's worth; she seems like she's being honest to me. Anyway, her version is that Brown did lean into the window and assault Wilson. However, she said that Wilson was firing at Brown as he was running away. If that is what happened: Game over as far as this guy being a cop. I am unaware of any agency that allows shots to be fired at an unarmed person (even if they are a criminal) when they're running away. If that tidbit turns out to be true, Brown may have felt that the only way to stop the gun fire aimed at him was to turn and remove the gun from the cop's hands. Self defense. Her story cannot be correct, the autopsy revealed that he was shot from the front, not from behind. I read it differently than you. I haven't seen the video DS mentions since no link was provided, but according to what he said Brown was being shot "at" while running away. Not that he was hit while running away. After hearing a bullet whiz by he may have stopped and turned. What happened then is what would be in question. Did he put his hands up to surrender, or did he charge Wilson?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 9:38:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 I read it differently than you. I haven't seen the video DS mentions since no link was provided, but according to what he said Brown was being shot "at" while running away. Not that he was hit while running away. After hearing a bullet whiz by he may have stopped and turned. What happened then is what would be in question. Did he put his hands up to surrender, or did he charge Wilson? I swear I've been trying to re-find the video. A friend of mine brought it up on his I-Phone. Perhaps, Butch, who lives in the area could help with local station call letters? That would help with the search. Igor got it right, though. Although the young lady says she thought that Brown got hit, she was not adamant. To me, that's not really relevant. If Wilson was shooting at an un-armed person as they were *running away, he's OUT OF POLICY. Period. Even if we accept that Brown wasn't hit in the back (and I do, since both autopsies said so), let me ask this: Would someone, firing a .40 at you put you in fear for your life? While turning and running toward* your assailant would be a poor tactical move, it's not criminal. I am beginning to believe that this officer forgot his training/freaked out/whatever and committed an offense that should - at the very least - end his LE career. quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 ... What happened then is what would be in question. Did he put his hands up to surrender, or did he charge Wilson? It doesn't matter one bit. If Wilson was firing at an un-armed person who was running *away* , he was no longer behaving the way a police officer is supposed to behave. At that moment, if Brown was in fear for his life, his actions (whether advisable or not) become self-defense. Remember: no one has disputed that Brown was un-armed. Now, if it turns out he was armed (doubtful), that changes things. Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me?

Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 10:10:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 I read it differently than you. I was bleary eyed and ready for bed. He did not say that he was shot while running away, but shot at. My mistake.

Sanity -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/30/2014 10:40:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Nice bit of digging there. Such a shame that it doesn't mean jack shit. The cop had no way of knowing Browns history and it has no bearing on his actions that day. And as far as his mom is concerned of course she said he was a good boy. He was her son for fucks sake. What did you think she was going to say. Mothers are incapable of honesty then? I never knew.

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