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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

beheading, shot unjustly AKA EXECUTED

so you think it makes a difference HOW a person is executed?

point was/is people felt that kid was executed and STOOD UP... when it happens in muslem controlled places often times we see hear CONGRATULATIONS

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It seems to me that there are two important questions that need answering:

In the short term, there is the problem of how to deal with IS and its emerging 'Caliphate'. IS current successes exploited the alienation of Iraq'a Sunnis who were getting a really hard time from the Maliki (Shia) Govt. Only a few years ago, these same Sunnis were allied with AL Quada, before they turned on AQ and effectively routed AQ in Iraq for good. All the Govts in the region - Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria - have a common interest in crushing IS. As IS has morphed from fighting a guerilla war to a more conventional one it has lost one of its great military advantages -mobility -- and is now forced to defend the territories it has acquired conventionally. This makes it far more vulnerable and so, in the short to medium term, I suspect that the current threat IS poses will be neutralised by local forces with minimal direct military support from the West.

In the longer term there is the question of why does radical Islamism appear attractive to people in various parts of the ME? A purely military response, as was pursued against Al Quda at best can only buy time until the emergence of the next radical group. AQ which has for so long led the fundamentalist forces was effectively eliminated as a military force only for IS to spring up in the vacuum AQ left behind. Unless we want to repeat this process indefinitely, we have to accept that for some reason or reasons, Islamism represents an attractive proposition to some young Muslims. We need to identify the reasons for this attraction and takes such steps as are necessary to neutralise this attraction.

It is pointless to claim that radical jihad is religious ordained. Clearly the vast majority of the world's Muslims do not take this view. Most of the world's Muslims loathe the radical jihadis. As radical Islam tends to find favour in those parts of the Muslim world where there are already serious political and social problems, we need to grasp that there are identifiable political and social reasons for the jihadis' attractions. These need to be identified and dealt with as part of a strategy to deal with the Islamist threat.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

beheading, shot unjustly AKA EXECUTED

so you think it makes a difference HOW a person is executed?

point was/is people felt that kid was executed and STOOD UP... when it happens in muslem controlled places often times we see hear CONGRATULATIONS

And I was pointing out that there's a world of difference between 1st world happenings and 3rd world. As bad as some people claim that US police are, they don't expect them to mow a whole crowd of protestors down with MG fire. Do you think that some of the despots over in the Middle East would have the same sort of restraint? It's sort of like when a teenager claims to be "starving".

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no you couldnt have put it any better, the ignorance level doesnt add up to the IQ of a potato

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yeah yeah I KNOWWW, you and DK think any and every thing I say can be waved off as HE'S STOOPID

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or as the saying goes ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

no you couldnt have put it any better, the ignorance level doesnt add up to the IQ of a potato

yeah yeah I KNOWWW, you and DK think any and every thing I say can be waved off as HE'S STOOPID

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But come to that, Thatcher or Reagan would roll or unroll into twats. They were both omnidirectional twats as I recall.

The worldview they both held was just too simple; therefore, their solutions to the problems in it were too simple, as well. Re that: we've already seen, on this thread, that some people are so terminally dense that, for instance, they can't distinguish between one kind of Muslim and another. The fact that they get to vote, and thereby have some even minimal influence on government foreign policy, is almost frightening, at times.

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Not sure why this surprises you.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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I don't believe the caliphate has the ability to attack the US like Russia does. Do you? It's not just who is likely to do so, but who can. ISIS isn't in a position to pose a direct threat to the US in the near future. Russia is in that position, but it's very unlikely that they'll exercise that opportunity.

9/11 ring any bells? A few Muslims with razor knives and a penchant to please Allah made for a big news day. And ISIS is known to be so radical that al-Qaeda has distanced itself from them
Throw in a Southern border that is so porous that Mexico may as well be a state.
No, no threat there... None at all. [8|]

Wouldn't it be more prudent to control the Southern border, then? Taking out ISIS won't prevent terrorists from coming through the Southern border. It might just spawn the next terrorist group, though.

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(For bonus points, name the last time Putin swore that he would raise the Russian flag over the White House)
ISIS Threatens America: ‘We Will Raise The Flag Of Allah In The White House’
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/08/isis-threatens-america-we-will-raise-the-flag-of-allah-in-the-white-house/#ixzz3AzjVeIdV

North Korea has threatened us and our troops, hasn't it? What countries call us "The Great Satan?"

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.In the longer term there is the question of why does radical Islamism appear attractive to people in various parts of the ME?

It is pointless to claim that radical jihad is religious ordained. Clearly the vast majority of the world's Muslims do not take this view. Most of the world's Muslims loathe the radical jihadis. As radical Islam tends to find favour in those parts of the Muslim world where there are already serious political and social problems, we need to grasp that there are identifiable political and social reasons for the jihadis' attractions. These need to be identified and dealt with as part of a strategy to deal with the Islamist threat.

see I keep hearing people SAY that, but then watch videos where these SAME PEOPLE CELEBRATE the deaths of innocent people...

or as the saying goes ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!

you want me to BELEIVE you, then I was to see something like what's happening in Ferguson here. Not the violent/looting part, but HUGE CROWDS holding signs that say THAT WAS WRONG!

as opposed to HUGE CROWDS CHEERING FOR THEM TO DO IT AGAIN!

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I don't believe the caliphate has the ability to attack the US like Russia does. Do you? It's not just who is likely to do so, but who can. ISIS isn't in a position to pose a direct threat to the US in the near future. Russia is in that position, but it's very unlikely that they'll exercise that opportunity.

9/11 ring any bells? A few Muslims with razor knives and a penchant to please Allah made for a big news day. And ISIS is known to be so radical that al-Qaeda has distanced itself from them
Throw in a Southern border that is so porous that Mexico may as well be a state.
No, no threat there... None at all. [8|]

Wouldn't it be more prudent to control the Southern border, then? Taking out ISIS won't prevent terrorists from coming through the Southern border. It might just spawn the next terrorist group, though.

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(For bonus points, name the last time Putin swore that he would raise the Russian flag over the White House)
ISIS Threatens America: ‘We Will Raise The Flag Of Allah In The White House’
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/08/isis-threatens-america-we-will-raise-the-flag-of-allah-in-the-white-house/#ixzz3AzjVeIdV

North Korea has threatened us and our troops, hasn't it? What countries call us "The Great Satan?"

It is prudent to do what can be done

In North Korea's case they're backed by China and they WERE backed by the Soviet Union as well

The suffering of the North Koreans isn't trivial, nor is the threat posed by North Korea to others, but what is practical? We do what we can.

In the case of ISIS, we can own them, so total annihilation is within the realm of possibility

Closing the borders is good yes, but playing whack-a-mole with al-Qaeda's evil twin? Not so much.

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I suppose it's possible to annihilate them, however if the issue is 9/11 and terrorist acts launched from within our country, then that's more an issue of internal security. It's not something that can be solved or dealt with by bombing people 6000 miles away from our shores. Doing something just because we can doesn't really help us much.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm sorry, but you already put the criteria out there. Does Russia pose a threat to the homeland or US interests abroad? Yes, Russia certainly does. Thus, you support attacking Russia, too. Unless you just want to pick on a smaller opponent?

Seriously?

You really believe that Russia is as likely to attack the United States as the caliphate is?

Putin has no reason to attack us from the outside when he sees what a great job Obama is doing from the inside.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I suppose it's possible to annihilate them, however if the issue is 9/11 and terrorist acts launched from within our country, then that's more an issue of internal security. It's not something that can be solved or dealt with by bombing people 6000 miles away from our shores. Doing something just because we can doesn't really help us much.