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BenevolentM -> RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist (8/24/2014 3:11:45 PM)
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You are talking old tech. I'm talking new tech. Where is the new tech surveillance? A few drones here and there?
I believe there is plenty of evidence that these people don't care about the welfare of their children the way Europeans worry about the welfare of their children. Why is it that Israel has world renown medical facilities? With who is medicine a priority?
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What most actually realize is you are talking bollocks.
The ill thought out notion that carpet bombing Iraq would make everything fine is laughable.
I don't think you read what I wrote. I wrote "You see they don't fear being bombed back to the stone age because it is something they want." How I arrived at this conclusion and how you arrived at it are different. They don't care if they are living in a mud hut with dirt floors and no running water, for example. They figure that so long as they have their holy book, they have everything they need. We are thinking like Americans or Europeans. They aren't. We actually care if we have running water, electricity, etc. These people don't care about medicine like Israel does and they don't care about the well being of their children the way we do.
What is needed is the sort of mass surveillance that we have in the United States and Britain in the Middle East. Instead of spying on American citizens, they should be spying on the citizens of Iraq and nearby countries. Get biometric scans, finger prints, DNA samples, the works from every living person in the Middle East. Make it so they can't even walk down the street without being watched by a video camera. Make it so everything that is bought at the store is recorded in a central database. Put a few hundred video cameras and listening devices in every mosk. Make it illegal for street merchants to opt out of the system. Every transaction must be recorded. RFIF tag everything. Abolish the currency and give them debit/credit cards. We do it to our own law abiding citizens. Since this is war, the surveillance has to be tighter than it is here in the United States. Give all terror suspects in the Middle East an ankle bracelet that is capable of recording audio. Ironically, they are likely living in a society with far less surveillance than our own. This is backwards. The terrorists need to be pursued with the same rigor that those who have committed sex crimes or illicit drug use receive.
Your post suggests your unfamiliarity and ignorance of the region.
What you mention in regards to mass surveillance you have in Britain and the United States is Boy Scout material in comparison to what is happening in these parts of the world. The mokhabarat (intelligence servise- secret police) is embedded among the population in their thousands, is ruthless and spreads state terror, even in comparatively peaceful regions. Stalin’s thugs, the KGB and Staci are angels in comparison. Even a lowly ranked police officer has the power to make your life hell over there, now imagine the corruption and influence you get as you move up the ladder of power. The spring uprisings in these regions took place mainly to get rid of this terror.
Yes, they do care about having clean water and electricity. They do care about having education and medicine for their kids. This is the reason Hezbollah, Hamas and even the Taliban and ISIS for that matter enjoy popularity among the poor and destitute of the region; they provide welfare, education and medical care, the basics that their governments fail to provide. Unfortunately they (the Hezbollahs etc.) themselves become as ruthless if not more.
ESL.
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