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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:08:11 PM

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Re Saudi and 9/11

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

Dont say I didnt tell you.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:24:25 PM

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Not sure why this surprises you.

Not sure why you *think* this surprises me ....

Not sure why you think she thinks

Well you disagree with the majority of what I say and considering the drivel you type that makes me think I must be doing something right.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:28:35 PM

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Is it my imagination or have your capital letters got bigger?

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I didn't see your cock mentioned. In fact, that didn't even cross my mind.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:31:04 PM

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Re Saudi and 9/11

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

Dont say I didnt tell you.

I'm aware of that. The Saudis are scum. Big-time. I think at that time the royals were less aware of what seeds they were sowing, aware enough to be sure, but not aware enough to actually think there would be a WTC. Would they have cared about other terrorist attacks on a smaller scale? Probably not. Scum. But, ISIS even bigger scum and one of the big deal Saudi clerics has even denounced them. So would I send the Saudis straight to hell if I could? Sure. But only AFTER Iran, ISIS (whom of course Iran opposes, too!), Hamas and Hizbollah are gone. Then it's the Saudis turn. I actually do not believe the Hashemite Jordanians are scum. They -- and the Israelis -- are the exception. So it's not like you have a lot of good choices there. It's like saying would you like to die by having your eyes gouged out followed by slow amputation or would you rather by roasted to death slowly. All the options really suck. What you have to do is escape or kill yourself quickly.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:32:34 PM

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Maybe you can write a book that nobody will read about the future you see so clearly.

No one will read it because books will be banned.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:35:09 PM

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It is prudent to do what can be done
In North Korea's case they're backed by China and they WERE backed by the Soviet Union as well
The suffering of the North Koreans isn't trivial, nor is the threat posed by North Korea to others, but what is practical? We do what we can.
In the case of ISIS, we can own them, so total annihilation is within the realm of possibility
Closing the borders is good yes, but playing whack-a-mole with al-Qaeda's evil twin? Not so much.

We can bomb the shit out of China, Russia, et. al. So, because we can means it's prudent to do so? How's that work?

Why would we even be playing "whack-a-mole?" It's not our duty to defend Syria and Iraq. Is it?

No, it's not. It's our duty to defend the USA. ISIS in the opinion of many of the left and right is a significant threat. Therefore, they should be eliminated. When I go to the mall, I'm not worried about the Chinese or Putin's nuking it. But could a random Arab go all jihad on me? Yep. How about an ISIS mole? Sure thing. Hence, ISIS. When conservatives and our (cough) esteemed Sec'y of State and SecDEF are saying the same thing, maybe there's something to it.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 5:41:47 PM

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Politics is neither nice nor neat. If you get rid of the Saudis, you create a power vacuum for Iran and Turkey. That's even worse. You support the Saudis against Iran and defend AQ. The Saudis don't have to like it. They just have to do it. The Saudi royals didn't send the 9/11 hijackers. Yes, some but not all of them absolutely supported Wahhabism. Are they part of the problem today? Yes. Are they the biggest problem today? No. There are no ideal choices, so you have to parcel them up. If it had been up to me, I'd have allied with Saddam to get rid of the mullahs all without the US putting troops into Iraq. Because Saddam was evil, grotesque and genocidal, but the mullahs are worse and a greater threat to the US as the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism.

Are you suggesting I support Al Qaida ? If so you need to seriously get a grip.

As for supporting Saddam against the Mullahs, that makes you more right wing than either Bush or Sanity, and that takes some fucking doing.

As for the worlds greatest sponsors of terror, do you have any fucking clue what a Mullah is ? And yes, it is rhetorical again.

No. "You" as in the universal "you." i.e., [If] a random person, say, for example, you .... I can see why that might have been unclear, but on the other hand, I may be known for having strong views, but not for accusations of that form. So consider the source.

Yes, I would have supported Saddam against the Mullahs because Iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism. Iraq isn't and never was. As to whether that makes me more right-wing than Sanity, I suggest you ask Sanity his opinion on the matter. As for Bush? Bush was never terribly right-wing anyhow. Bush was a moderate, religious "compassionate conservative" who spent way too much money, came up with compromise candidates and was a genuinely nice guy far more intelligent than he was given credit for. But did I agree with Bush on many things? No. If you want to associate me with someone, Goldwater would be more accurate, Coolidge wouldn't be bad either, and there are a lot of things, but not everything, that I like about Reagan.

The Mullahs are used as a metonym for Iranian Mullahs which itself is a metonym for Iran. I think that was obvious from context. Which IS the world's greatest sponsor of terror. According to the US State Department. Even Obama's State says that.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 7:18:54 PM

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You can own ISIS ? This despite them being spread out over Iraq and Syria ? You spent several years telling Obama to get the troops out, and now you want them back despite knowing how it worked out for you last time ?

You misrepresent my arguments, I'll leave it at that.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 7:43:16 PM

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It is prudent to do what can be done
In North Korea's case they're backed by China and they WERE backed by the Soviet Union as well
The suffering of the North Koreans isn't trivial, nor is the threat posed by North Korea to others, but what is practical? We do what we can.
In the case of ISIS, we can own them, so total annihilation is within the realm of possibility
Closing the borders is good yes, but playing whack-a-mole with al-Qaeda's evil twin? Not so much.

We can bomb the shit out of China, Russia, et. al. So, because we can means it's prudent to do so? How's that work?
Why would we even be playing "whack-a-mole?" It's not our duty to defend Syria and Iraq. Is it?

guess you can't see how its NOT prudent to poke a bear with a stick as opposed to exterminating cockroaches

Why is it our job, responsibility, or even right to do so?

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 7:47:01 PM

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We can bomb the shit out of China, Russia, et. al. So, because we can means it's prudent to do so? How's that work?
Why would we even be playing "whack-a-mole?" It's not our duty to defend Syria and Iraq. Is it?

You're not making sense. The words I used were "prudent" and "practical"
Ask yourself - is it really prudent or practical to bomb Russia and China?

So, only take out the ones you can bully? So much for standards, eh?

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And contrast Russia and China with ISIS:

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Islamic State threat 'beyond anything we've seen': Pentagon
(Reuters) - The sophistication, wealth and military might of Islamic State militants represent a major threat to the United States that may surpass that once posed by al Qaeda, U.S. military leaders said on Thursday.
"They are an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it's in Iraq or anywhere else," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told reporters at the Pentagon...

Wait... a war hawk is making an argument that we should... go to war?!? STOP THE PRESSES!!! Hell must have frozen over!

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 7:50:43 PM

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It is prudent to do what can be done
In North Korea's case they're backed by China and they WERE backed by the Soviet Union as well
The suffering of the North Koreans isn't trivial, nor is the threat posed by North Korea to others, but what is practical? We do what we can.
In the case of ISIS, we can own them, so total annihilation is within the realm of possibility
Closing the borders is good yes, but playing whack-a-mole with al-Qaeda's evil twin? Not so much.

We can bomb the shit out of China, Russia, et. al. So, because we can means it's prudent to do so? How's that work?
Why would we even be playing "whack-a-mole?" It's not our duty to defend Syria and Iraq. Is it?

No, it's not. It's our duty to defend the USA. ISIS in the opinion of many of the left and right is a significant threat. Therefore, they should be eliminated. When I go to the mall, I'm not worried about the Chinese or Putin's nuking it. But could a random Arab go all jihad on me? Yep. How about an ISIS mole? Sure thing. Hence, ISIS. When conservatives and our (cough) esteemed Sec'y of State and SecDEF are saying the same thing, maybe there's something to it.

No, there isn't anything to it. ISIS is not a direct threat to the US.

Don't look now, but there are Russian and Chinese moles in the US. I'm willing to bet my life on it.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 8:21:58 PM

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Bullying?

Aw, the poor, poor terrorists...

Excuse me if my heart doesnt bleed for them

Terrorists have attacked us and our interests how many more times than Russia and China combined?

And again, according to many who are quite knowledgeable, ISIS makes al-Qaeda look like a bunch of squeamish girl scouts

Their atrocities are creating a series of massive humanitarian crisis situations wherever they expand to

Quite laughable to see you referring to an Obama appointee as a hawk btw

Had we a hawk in the White House ISIS would never have become a caliphate in the first place

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/21/2014 9:41:01 PM

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I suppose it's possible to annihilate them, however if the issue is 9/11 and terrorist acts launched from within our country, then that's more an issue of internal security. It's not something that can be solved or dealt with by bombing people 6000 miles away from our shores. Doing something just because we can doesn't really help us much.

No

The earth is kind of a small place thanks to jet travel,

Does ISIS have long-range bombers? 9/11 was carried out with passenger planes from domestic air carriers. The terrorists were in the United States, not in some far off land.

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and these are known terrorists who advertise that they are building an empire and have made direct threats to us,

I don't think they have much of a chance of building any "empires" any time soon. It's doubtful they'd even be able to form and sustain an independent country. Even the countries which have already been established in the region are having a tough time maintaining stability, so who's kidding whom?

There are people in other countries who make threats against us.

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they just beheaded an American because he is an American, and they have carried out mass atrocities that for the most part have gone unreported

They want to die martyrs, we have the ability to help them meet their goal, we should do so

With extreme prejudice

Well, sure, if you want to do it for the sake of revenge, then okay. Just don't say that it's being done "for the defense of the United States," since we both know that's a crock of shit.

Frankly, if those on the right really, really wanted to deal with these supposed "threats" to America, then why haven't they done so already? You can't blame it on Obama either, since there have been powerful factions on the right who have been crowing about all these "threats" to America for decades, and yet, when push comes to shove, they never really want to do anything about it. Reagan's shady dealings with Iran back in the 80s pretty much proved that. Bush and his son defeated Iraq twice, yet we still can't control the country. All they really did was leave a lot of wreckage, the consequences of which are still with us today. It's why we have this problem now. This didn't just happen overnight.

I'm just as outraged as anyone about this; those bastards should pay for what they've done. However, I have to concede that it's much the result of our own government's stupidity which brought us to this point.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 4:55:13 AM

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Had we a hawk in the White House ISIS would never have become a caliphate in the first place

Actually you have this precisely the wrong way around.

The mess in Iraq came about subsequent to the US-led invasion, which was a policy enacted by a hawk in the White House - GWB - and his neo con cronies, hawks to a man every one of them.

Had there been a saner wiser person in the Oval Office pursuing more moderate and enlightened policies towards the ME, the insane invasion would never have occurred, thereby avoiding what has been described as the worst US foreign policy disaster ever - the invasion that facilitated the birth of terrorism in Iraq and led to the formation of ISIS by ex-Al Quada in Iraq member al Baghdadi now the self styled Caliph of IS, an individual converted to radical Islam by the invasion.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 5:26:26 AM

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Does ISIS have long-range bombers? 9/11 was carried out with passenger planes from domestic air carriers. The terrorists were in the United States, not in some far off land.

I don't think they have much of a chance of building any "empires" any time soon. It's doubtful they'd even be able to form and sustain an independent country. Even the countries which have already been established in the region are having a tough time maintaining stability, so who's kidding whom?

There are people in other countries who make threats against us.

Well, sure, if you want to do it for the sake of revenge, then okay. Just don't say that it's being done "for the defense of the United States," since we both know that's a crock of shit.

Frankly, if those on the right really, really wanted to deal with these supposed "threats" to America, then why haven't they done so already? You can't blame it on Obama either, since there have been powerful factions on the right who have been crowing about all these "threats" to America for decades, and yet, when push comes to shove, they never really want to do anything about it. Reagan's shady dealings with Iran back in the 80s pretty much proved that. Bush and his son defeated Iraq twice, yet we still can't control the country. All they really did was leave a lot of wreckage, the consequences of which are still with us today. It's why we have this problem now. This didn't just happen overnight.

I'm just as outraged as anyone about this; those bastards should pay for what they've done. However, I have to concede that it's much the result of our own government's stupidity which brought us to this point.

Try this; figure out what the letters ISIS stands for, read up on the news some, and then repost.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 5:28:58 AM

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Had we a hawk in the White House ISIS would never have become a caliphate in the first place

Actually you have this precisely the wrong way around.

The mess in Iraq came about subsequent to the US-led invasion, which was a policy enacted by a hawk in the White House - GWB - and his neo con cronies, hawks to a man every one of them.

Had there been a saner wiser person in the Oval Office pursuing more moderate and enlightened policies towards the ME, the insane invasion would never have occurred, thereby avoiding what has been described as the worst US foreign policy disaster ever - the invasion that facilitated the birth of terrorism in Iraq and led to the formation of ISIS by ex-Al Quada in Iraq member al Baghdadi now the self styled Caliph of IS, an individual converted to radical Islam by the invasion.

Despite the propaganda, Bush hasn't been running things for the last six years

Barack Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/14/remarks-president-and-first-lady-end-war-iraq

Joe Biden:

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“I am very optimistic about Iraq. I think it’s gonna be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re gonna see 90,000 American troops come marchin’ home by the end of the summer. You’re gonna see a stable government in Iraq that is actually movin’ toward a representative government. I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months, three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed, how they have been deciding to use the political process, rather than guns, to settle their differences.”

Then Joe rode off on a unicorn down a road made of rainbows.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/12/watch-joe-biden-call-iraq-one-of-the-great-achievements-of-this-administration/

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 5:50:22 AM

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Does ISIS have long-range bombers? 9/11 was carried out with passenger planes from domestic air carriers. The terrorists were in the United States, not in some far off land.

I don't think they have much of a chance of building any "empires" any time soon. It's doubtful they'd even be able to form and sustain an independent country. Even the countries which have already been established in the region are having a tough time maintaining stability, so who's kidding whom?

There are people in other countries who make threats against us.

Well, sure, if you want to do it for the sake of revenge, then okay. Just don't say that it's being done "for the defense of the United States," since we both know that's a crock of shit.

Frankly, if those on the right really, really wanted to deal with these supposed "threats" to America, then why haven't they done so already? You can't blame it on Obama either, since there have been powerful factions on the right who have been crowing about all these "threats" to America for decades, and yet, when push comes to shove, they never really want to do anything about it. Reagan's shady dealings with Iran back in the 80s pretty much proved that. Bush and his son defeated Iraq twice, yet we still can't control the country. All they really did was leave a lot of wreckage, the consequences of which are still with us today. It's why we have this problem now. This didn't just happen overnight.

I'm just as outraged as anyone about this; those bastards should pay for what they've done. However, I have to concede that it's much the result of our own government's stupidity which brought us to this point.

Try this; figure out what the letters ISIS stands for, read up on the news some, and then repost.

Actually, I was thinking of posting that exact sentence to you.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 6:06:55 AM

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You were thinking?

Congratulations. Excellent progress!!!

Now do this. Try really hard, and see if you can figure out why they renamed themselves "IS" and why Barack calls them "ISIL"

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 6:09:46 AM

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/22/2014 6:13:36 AM

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Moving the goal posts a bit Sanity? Can I remind you that your initial claim was:
"Had we a hawk in the White House ISIS would never have become a caliphate in the first place" (post#112)

This claim was tested and found wanting, using evidence from the public record. The success or failure of Bush's successor in the White House in rescuing the USA from the consequences of his predecessor's disastrous policies have no bearing on the merits of your claim. So your attempt to move the goal posts is a failure too.

The USA made a gigantic mistake when it was misled* into a disastrous war by the lies of hawks like Bush and his neo con cronies. They say once bitten twice shy - so it is reasonable to conclude that it would be sheer folly to turn to hawkish politicians and policies to solve a problem when those same politicians and policies are the cause of the problem. Problem causers are rarely problem solvers don't you agree?

* misled in both senses of the term - it was misled into believing that Saddam had WMDs by neo con lies and misled by incredibly poor, pathetic leadership by the hawks in White House and Administration.

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