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Do you agree? - 8/20/2014 3:51:27 PM   
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In the science news, they discovered what we already knew:

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http://phys.org/news/2014-08-bigger-partners-linked-marriages.html

... the more relationships you had prior to your marriage, the less likely you are to report a high-quality marriage. ... Those who have had more romantic experiences – for example, more sexual or cohabiting partners – are less likely to forge a high-quality marriage than those with a less complex romantic history, the researchers found.
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RE: Do you agree? - 8/20/2014 4:02:24 PM   
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Evidently, a high-quality marriage requires innocence, the very thing many despise.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/20/2014 4:29:20 PM   
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One problem with studies is they may tell what is true for most people. Does it apply to subcultures such as this one?

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/21/2014 6:34:37 AM   
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Marriage is a problematic institution more suited to raising children and forging an economic union to consolidate incomes and expenses while creating a workable division of labor and support. The idea that marriage is a "romantic" union is relatively new and grossly flawed: i.e. it is littered with a high divorce rate and unrealistic expectations.

As for the study: people who "get around" as opposed to "settle down" just might not be suited for LTRs in general. I also think men who sleep around have a very difficult time staying married and / or happily married.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/21/2014 11:29:40 AM   
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Industry is beneficial to society and as such this matter cannot be ignored. I also recall a study that showed that people in societies where marriages are arranged are not unhappy for it. Arranged marriages are if I am not mistaken are often decided on economic grounds. If you marry the butcher, you will never go hungry. The need for industry is less clear today than it was in previous times long past. It has muddied the water. With the advent of washing machines the services that women provide men are not as important as they once were. The need/demand for sex has remained the same or increased. It certainly hasn't decreased. Women now have a greater value to society offering their submission to a boss than to a husband. Likewise, their is a greater emphasis on their capacity to put out sexually. Ironic isn't it? When it was thought impossible for a husband to rape his wife, the pressure to put out sexually was minimal. Even a retarded male can operate a washing machine and unless the man is a homosexual or just not interested in sex women have a monopoly.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/21/2014 12:17:22 PM   
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As for the study: people who "get around" as opposed to "settle down" just might not be suited for LTRs in general. I also think men who sleep around have a very difficult time staying married and / or happily married.

This is worth taking into consideration, that those who take a less-than-lifetime-commitment approach to their intimate relationships to begin with may be predisposed to making unsuitable marital partners to begin with, due to either their own personal issues with honoring their commitments or else showing a general lack of loyalty (fidelity) in their interpersonal relationships. In other words, when the going gets rough, they will sooner bail than stick things out through thick & thin. (Within the context of friendship, these are your "fair weather" friends.)

Further, there are personalities who aren't "wired" for pair-bonding, for whatever reason(s). They may not be as selective as those of us who are, seeking mates who are Right-for-the-Moment (poor impulse control) instead of holding out for The Right One to come along with whom to (hopefully) spend the rest of their lives.

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I also recall a study that showed that people in societies where marriages are arranged are not unhappy for it. Arranged marriages are if I am not mistaken are often decided on economic grounds.

This rhetoric has been making the rounds for a long time. When asked, how many (socio-culturally conformist-inclined) couples in arranged marriages (which they're pretty much stuck with) will venture to say they are not happy? There is also a difference between ostensible contentment and actualized happiness. People often settle for contentment, their basic human needs being met and become complacent. For those persons, existing in a state of entropy is sufficient; for others, living in a state of syntropy is the only way to truly live a thriving life.

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With the advent of washing machines the services that women provide men are not as important as they once were. The need/demand for sex has remained the same or increased. It certainly hasn't decreased. Women now have a greater value to society offering their submission to a boss than to a husband. Likewise, their is a greater emphasis on their capacity to put out sexually. Ironic isn't it? When it was thought impossible for a husband to rape his wife, the pressure to put out sexually was minimal. Even a retarded male can operate a washing machine and unless the man is a homosexual or just not interested in sex women have a monopoly.

With all due respect, WTH is this supposed to mean? In which convoluted universe would your logic above apply?

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/22/2014 8:15:05 PM   
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In which convoluted universe would your logic above apply?


It is what verse, not what universe. Washing machines vibrate.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/23/2014 12:50:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

In which convoluted universe would your logic above apply?

It is what verse, not what universe. Washing machines vibrate.

Perhaps you were trying to be clever. Let me tell you what else vibrates and has made men obsolete in many an adult woman's eyes - yea, including those of bored, sexually unfulfilled vanilla wives - and that is a vibrator. I am not being crude either. You have equated the functional usefulness of a female (you overlooked baby-making machine à la Michelle Duggar) to that of being replaceable by a washing machine. Likewise, I have done the same
Washing machine on the one hand ... vibrator on the other. Hm-mm, which for a woman to choose from? Oh yeah, that's right, we can have both!

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/24/2014 3:48:14 PM   
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I do not think you fully comprehend what I wrote. This sexual independence you speak of is a symptom. Women are now more useful in the work place than in the home.

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

In which convoluted universe would your logic above apply?

It is what verse, not what universe. Washing machines vibrate.

Perhaps you were trying to be clever. Let me tell you what else vibrates and has made men obsolete in many an adult woman's eyes - yea, including those of bored, sexually unfulfilled vanilla wives - and that is a vibrator. I am not being crude either. You have equated the functional usefulness of a female (you overlooked baby-making machine à la Michelle Duggar) to that of being replaceable by a washing machine. Likewise, I have done the same
Washing machine on the one hand ... vibrator on the other. Hm-mm, which for a woman to choose from? Oh yeah, that's right, we can have both!


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RE: Do you agree? - 8/24/2014 5:55:53 PM   
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I do not think you fully comprehend what I wrote. This sexual independence you speak of is a symptom. Women are now more useful in the work place than in the home.

Are you saying "sexual independence" as a euphemism for promiscuity? Because sexual independence in itself does not automatically signify promiscuity, having casual sex and loose moral standards.

IMHO, sexual independence has to do with the freedom of choices, having the liberty to exercise one's free will (without imposing upon another's right to exercise his/her own free will), as our Creator intended.

The freedom to choose and to spend the rest of our lives with the life partner we love without being dictated to by others. The freedom to express our individual sexuality consensually.

Without these sexual freedoms and liberties to be freed of society's mental bondage and the shackles of guilt and shame, not even married couples are free to be sexually uninhibited with one another, where the marriage bed is undefiled and should remain sacrosanct from judgment.

Furthermore, when you speak of the workplace versus the home hearth, this is a socio-economic issue. It always has been and it always will be.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/24/2014 9:47:41 PM   
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Women interfere with the sexual independence of straight men every day of the week.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/24/2014 9:57:58 PM   
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I still think you have no idea what I am talking about.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/24/2014 10:40:20 PM   
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Women interfere with the sexual independence of straight men every day of the week.

In what way do we do this? By showing ourselves in public? If a man doesn't have the willpower to control himself and to restrain his impulses from being led astray by worldly temptations, then that's on him.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 4:23:13 AM   
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I still think you have no idea what I am talking about.


I still think no one has any idea what you are talking about.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 4:49:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I still think you have no idea what I am talking about.


I still think no one has any idea what you are talking about.


And you'd be right on the button!!

BenM is the resident troll and up to his old tricks again.
Eventually, he'll introduce his own brand of religion into this thread just like all the others he's started.


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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 5:39:14 AM   
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With the advent of washing machines the services that women provide men are not as important as they once were. The need/demand for sex has remained the same or increased. It certainly hasn't decreased. Women now have a greater value to society offering their submission to a boss than to a husband.

If you believe washing machines are of such importance, can I suggest you marry one and the pair of you settle down to a long and mutually beneficial relationship. I've no doubt that you will soon master how to turn your partner on ........ I can just see the sparks flying ......

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 6:13:51 AM   
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I do agree.
We do not miss what we do not know. Right or wrong our memories of past relationships can cause comparisons of a current relationship. When things are sour or not going so well with your partner, it is easy to think back and romanticize a prior relationship and think " so in so never did this to me" or "so in so did this better"
There is beauty in innocence because there are so few comparisons.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 7:43:09 AM   
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I do agree.
We do not miss what we do not know. Right or wrong our memories of past relationships can cause comparisons of a current relationship. When things are sour or not going so well with your partner, it is easy to think back and romanticize a prior relationship and think " so in so never did this to me" or "so in so did this better"
There is beauty in innocence because there are so few comparisons.

The flipside of this is when individuals carry over baggage from prior break-ups (an ugly divorce and/or child custody battle) into a new relationship, where they might subconsciously make their new partner pay for the wrongs of their former one(s) out of unresolved trust issues. When this does happen, the new partner never really had a fair shake, unfortunately, and this can become a vicious cycle that gets perpetuated.

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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 8:08:19 AM   
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With the advent of washing machines the services that women provide men are not as important as they once were. The need/demand for sex has remained the same or increased. It certainly hasn't decreased. Women now have a greater value to society offering their submission to a boss than to a husband.

If you believe washing machines are of such importance, can I suggest you marry one and the pair of you settle down to a long and mutually beneficial relationship. I've no doubt that you will soon master how to turn your partner on ........ I can just see the sparks flying ......


Yes, you'd think that such a relationship would be happy, yet that old bit about the "lonely Maytag repairman" makes me wonder.

Washing machines have instruction manuals and a set of clearly marked dials and switches, so they're pretty easy to turn on. Dryers, too, and dryers can be pretty hot sometimes.

I would also give mention to microwave ovens and the cottage industry of microwavable meals which has cropped up.


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RE: Do you agree? - 8/25/2014 8:22:57 AM   
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Absolutely. Although we learn many lessons good and bad in the multiple relationships through our life we have, the more we have that are unsuccessful the further we get from trust. It is very difficult or impossible in some accounts to forget disappointments or betrayals, even if you forgive them.
Unfortunately if we have not encountered often integrity, loyalty, trustworthiness, honesty, reliance the first reaction naturally is distrust out of instinct.
Take BenevolentM for example. It's very obvious someone has greatly disappointed him. Women are now reduced to only having sexual value. I bet he didn't always have this view.

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