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Wait, steal something from a store, disobey orders from armed police when they arrive, bait them, and then make a move toward an officer. Wow. And nobody thinks this is about Darwin Awards?

Yeah you callous piece of crap this guy needed killing. Do you not understand there was something clearly mentally wrong with this person?

He needed killing? Why did he need killing? Where did the idea that he needed killing come from?

Yeah, that would be you.

K.

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Wait, steal something from a store, disobey orders from armed police when they arrive, bait them, and then make a move toward an officer. Wow. And nobody thinks this is about Darwin Awards?

K.

Taking your description of events at face value, precisely how does all this justify killing the poor guy?

Even if this person was making "a move' towards the two officers, does this justify killing him? Not only is the guy outnumbered but presumably the cops are also armed with nightsticks, Tasers and (possibly) disabling gas sprays. They are also trained in self defence and subduing troublesome and aggressive people. So they had plenty of non-lethal options available to them, which they declined to use.

So, again, how does all of this somehow justify killing this guy?

I've been looking ever since Ferguson hit the news, and I can't find any mention of police (in that area) being armed with Tasers. I'm not saying that they're not, but I can't find anything that says that they are either.

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St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Tuesday that both of the officers opened fire on Powell when he came within a three or four feet of them holding a knife "in an overhand grip."

But the newly released cell phone footage undermines the statement, showing Powell approaching the cops, but not coming as close as was reported, with his hands at his side. The officers began shooting within 15 seconds of their arrival, hitting Powell with a barrage of bullets.

I'll give you that he wasn't holding the knife the way they described, his arms were at his sides...

Having an overhand grip on the knife does not mean his arms were raised.

K.

if you watched one of the vids, the officer that was on camera during the press conference actually showed that, he said the dead man was holding the knife in an overhand grip and he raised his own hand/arm to demonstrate.. so yeah, they deliberately lied..

Yes, the chief who was making the statement did make that sort of motion with his arm. Now tell me, how does that one inconsistency demonstrably change what happened? Powell advanced on two cops, with a knife in his hand, yelling "shoot me shoot me!" As the chief said, he first approached the front of the vehicle, then stopped, then turned and went straight towards the passenger. They didn't shoot till he was close enough to roll to a stop at the passenger's feet. So please explain how the exact position his arm was in makes such a vast difference in the encounter?

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Because if he had the knife in the grip described with his hand at his side rather than raised to stab he was no threat to the officers. They could have backed up and resolved the situation non lethally.

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Apart from the fact that suicide is in itself against the law...killing someone who is mentally unstable is not ok in my book
but you are asserting things I havent mentioned or alluded to, so get on with your bad self.
Guilty till dead...no questions asked.

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Because if he had the knife in the grip described with his hand at his side rather than raised to stab he was no threat to the officers. They could have backed up and resolved the situation non lethally.

Ummm, no. All it would do would make it slightly slower to stab someone. You'd have to bring your arm up and then back down, rather then just down. A few tenths of a second difference. I'll stipulate that knife fights can come down to tenths of a second, especially against a man with a gun, but it certainly doesn't make him "no threat".

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Apart from the fact that suicide is in itself against the law...killing someone who is mentally unstable is not ok in my book
but you are asserting things I havent mentioned or alluded to, so get on with your bad self.
Guilty till dead...no questions asked.

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? Are you insinuating that no one can talk about something unless you've already mentioned or alluded to it yourself?

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As to "suicide by cop" what's your point? The officers didn't hop in their vehicle and decide, hey let's go kill someone. Powell made a decision to rob a store, stand just down the block waiting for the police, then come at them with a knife shouting "shoot me, shoot me already!" I'll grant you, he was clearly disturbed, but you make that sound like it should make someone more likely to want to get close enough for him to stab. I don't know about you, but I stay as far as possible from crazy men with knives. Police have hard enough jobs. I don't think they need to be made harder by insisting they have to get close enough to grab a guy with a knife who seems to want to die.

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Because if he had the knife in the grip described with his hand at his side rather than raised to stab he was no threat to the officers. They could have backed up and resolved the situation non lethally.

Yeah, except that stabbing is neither the only way to attack with a knife nor the final word in evaluating a grip style...

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One thing we have learned about shooters -- their version of the event is told in a self-serving manner. The dead guy can never contradict them.

I'm just speechless. That is f*cked up.

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Her point was, usually when the police show up, they have to chase the suspect. They weren't expecting him to be standing there waiting for them, much less coming at them.

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People aren't "crying foul every time there is an altercation between a civilian and a cop." They're "crying foul" when a cop kills a civilian who isn't carrying.

It's kind of different . . .

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So now you're arguing that the deranged individual was an expert knife fighter?

No Ken, I was arguing that you don't know what you're talking about. Get it now?

Glad to help.

K.

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Because if he had the knife in the grip described with his hand at his side rather than raised to stab he was no threat to the officers. They could have backed up and resolved the situation non lethally.

Ummm, no. All it would do would make it slightly slower to stab someone. You'd have to bring your arm up and then back down, rather then just down. A few tenths of a second difference. I'll stipulate that knife fights can come down to tenths of a second, especially against a man with a gun, but it certainly doesn't make him "no threat".

If he raised his arm, then they could have shot him. They were wearing vests so to harm them with a knife so small it wasn't visible on the video he would have had to slash the cop's throat which would have meant not just getting closer but raising the knife well above waist level.

They knew they had done wrong or they wouldn't have lied about the entire incident.