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Taser is off the table, they didn't have them.

As a matter of interest - why? Someone has been shot, recently, in the area, and it's caused a monumental outcry across the country. Wouldn't it have been prudent to avoid any more shootings by, for instance, arming police ASAP with non-lethal weapons and telling them to for God's sake use these *first*?

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But, again, looking at the video, I saw nothing substantially or inherently dangerous enough that the officers couldn't have taken a different non-lethal route.

So you did not notice that he was black? Maybe if you slowed the video down?

I don't consider a black man to be any more dangerous than a white man, or a yellow man, or even a pink man with yellow spots (aka, Mr Blobby! lol).


It would appear that my attempt at humor was lost on you. He was shot for being black in public. If pamala anderson was acting like that you can bet your as there would have been a wraslin' match and not a gunfight.

The colour of his skin makes no difference and I won't succumb to a racially-slurred PoV on what I consider to be a perfectly simple case of over-zealous trigger-happy cops.

I think I can come up with a pretty simple way to disabuse you of your ingorance.
Take a look see at how many blacks get shot like this vs. how many whites. Then consider that whites outnumber blacks in this country by about four to one. Dont forget to factor that into your cipherin'

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Taser is off the table, they didn't have them.

As a matter of interest - why? Someone has been shot, recently, in the area, and it's caused a monumental outcry across the country. Wouldn't it have been prudent to avoid any more shootings by, for instance, arming police ASAP with non-lethal weapons and telling them to for God's sake use these *first*?

Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things.
A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers.
B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened)
D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around)
E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up.

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Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things.
A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers.
B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened)
D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around)
E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up.

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D) Are you trying to tell me that a tazer is significantly more expensive than a real gun and ammo?
That doesn't sound right at all.

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Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things.
A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers.
B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened)
D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around)
E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up.

Bloody hell, Bama, that's all so weak. I mean, I don't need to say that, do I? I'm having to pull my eyebrows down from the ceiling at reading that the US can't afford some form of (relatively very cheap) weaponry. The USA is not known to have a restrictive budget when it comes to weapons.

Also, any police chief would have gathered his troops together, surely, and said, 'For God's sake don't shoot and kill anybody else unless you *really, really* can't avoid it, eh, guys? I mean, we don't need any more hate than we've got right now, OK?". And I have no doubt that his political masters would have supported him, with promises to supply what was needed. (If the Chief and said political masters had any brains and could at least entertain the idea that their outlook and overall policy might just be a little fucked up, that is.)

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Taser is off the table, they didn't have them.

As a matter of interest - why? Someone has been shot, recently, in the area, and it's caused a monumental outcry across the country. Wouldn't it have been prudent to avoid any more shootings by, for instance, arming police ASAP with non-lethal weapons and telling them to for God's sake use these *first*?

Don't know,most likely it would be one of 4 things.
A they had seen videos of people continuing to attack after being hit by as many as 6 tasers.
B they were afraid of being sued because another department was sued when someone died after being tased (I know they sound contradictory but both have happened)
D more likely there had be complaints of overuse of tasers (we have homegrown freedoms and we have some cops who would think it was funny watching someone flop around)
E budget restraints, this would explain why the SGT had one when he showed up.

Interesting points Bama.

A) Most people are severely disabled on the first shot, and those still standing don't have much control after the seconds one.
The only time I've ever seen someone supposedly 'needing' more than 2 shots, they were just fired anyway when the person was still standing (but posing no real threat).
B) And they don't get sued for being shot with a real gun?? That's really fucked up logic!!
C) And we see cops thinking it's better to kill with real bullets than using a tazer??
D) Are you trying to tell me that a tazer is significantly more expensive than a real gun and ammo?
That doesn't sound right at all.

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...and firearms took precedents.

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Probably they supposed to raise a better budget by civil forfeiture and run out of cash after buying real guns and ammo.

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-FR-

The 21 foot rule has been cited several times in this thread. I hadn’t heard of it before, so I did look up some info on it. From what this site says, it sounds like this “rule” is often questionable, though just as often valid, depending on the circumstances.

Here is what it says at this website http://www.usadojo.com/articles/21-feet-valid.htm

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Oh, pfft. It's not my frigging country. Seriously, I sometimes think, 'Why should I care? These guys just *like killing each other*, and that is that. I'm used to fat, bloated, thick, right wing, authority-arse-licking coppers here in Britain - but at least they don't usually have the means to kill me. Better the devil you know, I say.

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Probably they supposed to raise a better budget by civil forfeiture and run out of cash after buying real guns and ammo.

Far out. This is the country that manages to find up to $3 billion a year to send to a foreign country - Israel, that is - to furnish itself handsomely with bang up to the minute, state-of-the-art, no-expenses-spared, weaponry. But they can't afford cheap-as-chips Tasers for their own police, in order to prevent their own people from being shot to death.

Oh, pfft. It's not my frigging country. Seriously, I sometimes think, 'Why should I care? These guys just *like killing each other*, and that is that. I'm used to fat, bloated, thick, right wing, authority-arse-licking coppers here in Britain - but at least they don't usually have the means to kill me. Better the devil you know, I say.

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The St Louis PD for example is not funded by the Federal government so you just admitted you don't know what you are talking about.

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The St Louis PD for example is not funded by the Federal government so you just admitted you don't know what you are talking about.

Then *get it* funded by Federal government. Or tax locals more. Jesus, political change *is possible*, Bama. I'm not talking about a Bolshevik revolution, here.