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How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 8/22/2014 6:00:19 AM   
thezigg


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Status: offline 		So here is a hypothetical situation. Let's say you have a slave that said they wanted to be a house slave 24/7. When people say that they dont seem to grasp the fact that employers look at work history before they even interview you. If you have a big gap in employment history it looks terrible and you probably won't get the interview. So this slave doesnt have a job and is totally dependant on you for the basic things they need to survive in life. If you got rid of them they don't have a job and really have zero chance of finding one that they could support themselves on. That slave has basically become as close to a real slave to you as one can get in real life. If you ask them to leave they are in deep shit. So how does a relationship like that end?
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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 8/22/2014 7:32:15 AM   
DarkSteven


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Status: offline 		I'm having a hard time following. I believe your basic premise is that a slave entered service with it mutually understood that he received free room and board and likely an allowance in return for service, and held no job, with his Mistress supporting him entirely. For some undisclosed reason, she wished to sever the relationship and now must balance her desire to stop the relationship with his difficulty in getting a job.

1. I would never let a slave or sub get dependent on me and lose their ability to fend for themselves. Many Dom/mes talk about the need for their s types to be able to eke out a living should their Dom/me die.
2. Why sever the relationship? If it's simple incompatibility, she can let the guy continue to freeload until he finds something, say, for three months. If it's theft or violence, he's on his own.
3. Why is this a gap in work history? Try this: Live-in caretaker for Ms. XXX. Performed household repairs and housecleaning. If an employer asks, she's a friend who needed some help for a while.
4. I wouldn't think a lot of a sub/slave who did this unless disabled, and a lot less of a Dom/me that agreed to it.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 8/22/2014 10:57:08 AM   
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I would think it would be dealt with in the same way that it would be dealt with in a vanilla relationship where one partner had been a homemaker or stay-home parent. At the point where both parties agree to that relationship arrangement they should be planning ahead, preferably keeping the non-working partner's resume up to date (even if that's just with some voluntary work or some college classes) and putting aside some significant savings. No one likes to plan for the end of a relationship, but it's responsible practice even if you expect to be together forever in case one partner dies or becomes too ill to work.

Depending on the length of the relationship and the local laws, the non-working partner might well be legally entitled to a share of the assets on separation. The D/s would be irrelevant here if they were living together as intimate partners in one household.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 8/25/2014 1:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your hypothetical scenario is so hypothetical as to have zero probability of fruition. This wannabe houseslave with no work history to speak of, who comes with no references, nothing but the shirt on his back (from what I've gathered) would be persona non grata to any Dominant household. Therefore, there is no houseslave to be gotten rid of. Nobody in their right mind would take him into their household as a live-in and entrust him around their person, their property or their possessions, potentially putting themselves and family members in harm's way. The liability alone for taking in a homeless, jobless stranger with no proven track record extends beyond squatter's rights; the Dominant risks unknowingly harboring a fugitive, a drug addict, or some mentally disturbed psychopath. Do you really think an experienced Master or Mistress would be that stupid?

Now, if said candidate for houseslavery came with glowing and verifiable references from his previous Master-Mistress, which would still need to be by word of mouth or else derived from credible sources, then he should have no difficulty finding gainful employment as a household "servant" if need be. Short of adoption, this slave would be a fool to not make his own retirement provisions and not plan ahead for his future security. Such a lapse in judgment does not reflect well on his ability to carry out whatever domestic duties and responsibilities would be expected of him. In other words, this is a circuitous argument that has no basis in reality.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/2/2014 9:35:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cannot imagine any world where I would want a slave 24/7 ... They become cardboard and without any personality at all. They get needy and focus their whole universe around you. You as the Dominant become the slave to their needs because all they do is sit at home all day pondering and making themselves crazy. I value my own freedom too much to become a slave to a slave. Any slave of mine is expected to work as hard or harder than I do at my own work and since I am a workaholic, that's a fairy high bar. I don't care if its as a floor mopper, they had better take their job seriously and be the very best at it, otherwise they are beneath my interest level in every way.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/2/2014 11:33:36 PM   
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I cannot imagine any world where I would want a slave 24/7 ... They become cardboard and without any personality at all. They get needy and focus their whole universe around you. You as the Dominant become the slave to their needs because all they do is sit at home all day pondering and making themselves crazy. I value my own freedom too much to become a slave to a slave. Any slave of mine is expected to work as hard or harder than I do at my own work and since I am a workaholic, that's a fairy high bar. I don't care if its as a floor mopper, they had better take their job seriously and be the very best at it, otherwise they are beneath my interest level in every way.
In fact, I'd get more joy out of rescuing a furry puppy who needs trained from scratch and constantly demands one's attention. At least puppies come with a trainable disposition (for the most part), are fiercely loyal and can be trusted, especially for protection, which I don't believe applies to many wannabe slaves.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/17/2014 10:50:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		as a male slave, i would love 24/7 not having a pay check No,, Her supporting me totally No. living for Her and being there as ordered Yes, yard work, house work other things to make Her life better Yes. no dead beat how kan you live that way

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/17/2014 10:53:47 AM   
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as a male slave, i would love 24/7 not having a pay check No,, Her supporting me totally No. living for Her and being there as ordered Yes, yard work, house work other things to make Her life better Yes. no dead beat how kan you live that way

Of course you would, sweetie....

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/17/2014 1:12:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hypothetically you should have thought about this before getting into the relationship.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/17/2014 3:29:46 PM   
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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/17/2014 6:46:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thezigg

So here is a hypothetical situation. Let's say you have a slave that said they wanted to be a house slave 24/7. When people say that they dont seem to grasp the fact that employers look at work history before they even interview you. If you have a big gap in employment history it looks terrible and you probably won't get the interview. So this slave doesnt have a job and is totally dependant on you for the basic things they need to survive in life. If you got rid of them they don't have a job and really have zero chance of finding one that they could support themselves on. That slave has basically become as close to a real slave to you as one can get in real life. If you ask them to leave they are in deep shit. So how does a relationship like that end?


You can find creative ways to fill the employment gap, but the dominant partner HAS to ensure that the submissive is learning, growing, and has skillsets that can be applied in the workforce if need be. They can't be sitting around playing video games all day and sleeping until noon, or just doing housework and cooking.

I am self employed so I had my "househusband" learn to do my book keeping, invoicing, he did all my computer networking, did research for me, and learned tools of my trade through osmosis and being around me doing business. He also read a lot, is a fast learner, and never got lazy. I think it takes a very special kind of man to be a stay-at-home sub.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/20/2014 1:07:19 PM   
Bhruic


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ORIGINAL: thezigg

So here is a hypothetical situation. Let's say you have a slave that said they wanted to be a house slave 24/7. When people say that they dont seem to grasp the fact that employers look at work history before they even interview you. If you have a big gap in employment history it looks terrible and you probably won't get the interview. So this slave doesnt have a job and is totally dependant on you for the basic things they need to survive in life. If you got rid of them they don't have a job and really have zero chance of finding one that they could support themselves on. That slave has basically become as close to a real slave to you as one can get in real life. If you ask them to leave they are in deep shit. So how does a relationship like that end?


It is a bit of an extreme, semi ridiculous, hypothetical... but here is how I would answer it:

Not your problem. In the modern world a slave chooses such slavery. The slave knows that they are legally free to leave the arrangement at will, and that the master is free to do so also.

That being the case, it is the slave's responsibility to ensure that the Master is well served and pleased, so the Master will go on providing for the slave. If the slave fails to do so and is dismissed from service, they have no one but themselves to blame, both for getting in to the situation in the first place, and for being dismissed from it in the end.

Some people seem to think that slavery (of the kind being discussed here) means that the slave is obviated from responsibility. Quite the opposite.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/20/2014 2:48:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if this is what goes through the minds of people who beg for a 24/7, no outside contact, totally dependent slave lifestyle.

Sounds like a wonderful case for not going through with that kind of dynamic.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/20/2014 2:50:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

Some people seem to think that slavery (of the kind being discussed here) means that the slave is obviated from responsibility. Quite the opposite.
Agreed. "It's not my problem, it's Master's problem" is all too common and complete bullshit.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/20/2014 3:17:13 PM   
DerangedUnit


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Status: offline 		gey rid of them its not your problem... kinda stupid that someone would get involved with something they arent interested in... its not doing anyone any favors to be around people who dont respect you.

i know in my case i have enough money to house myself for a couple years saved up. ive worked my ass of and supported family members most of my life. i dont work now because if i did it wouldnt meet my owners needs. if he had to try to fit fuckingmultiple times a day around my minimum wage work schedule it wouldnt be worth it... we would never see each other. so what ever i do i do from online or use my time to help him.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/20/2014 3:46:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		i find this hypothetical kinda weird because if someone is trully dependant there is no way they would "want" that. a real peraon messaging someone saying that they want to be a worthless slave would not happen unless they were only using the message to jack off. they would just collect a check from the government like most people. if your intent is using the system there are a lot easier ways. sorry but if people say they want to be a slave in a first message to someone they never met they are pleading to your hardon not your brain.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/22/2014 3:58:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) Make the slave get a job and save money (or give you the money to save for them).

2) Once enough money is saved, give them a month's notice to move out.

3) Enjoy your new life.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/22/2014 5:04:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had a few Dominants tell me that they are looking for a slave to stay home and I have told them that is the STRONGEST hard limit I have that I will never change.

I will always insist on being able to have a job outside of the home and being able to keep my own money. I may contribute to the household expenses, and my Master may have some control over how much I spend in "pocket money", but other than that.....it's my money to keep for myself, especially in case the relationship ever ends.

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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/23/2014 12:23:48 PM   
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RE: How to get rid of a slave that really has nothing - 9/23/2014 1:44:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thezigg

So here is a hypothetical situation. Let's say you have a slave that said they wanted to be a house slave 24/7. When people say that they dont seem to grasp the fact that employers look at work history before they even interview you. If you have a big gap in employment history it looks terrible and you probably won't get the interview. So this slave doesnt have a job and is totally dependant on you for the basic things they need to survive in life. If you got rid of them they don't have a job and really have zero chance of finding one that they could support themselves on. That slave has basically become as close to a real slave to you as one can get in real life. If you ask them to leave they are in deep shit. So how does a relationship like that end?

This happens a lot with divorce in vanilla life already. One person, usually the wife, stays at home for years and then suddenly has to get a job again when things go to hell. My perspective is that you bear some responsibility for this happening, but the person who chose to stay home bears some responsibility too. If I had to cut such a person loose, I'd try to do something like giving them six months' worth of living expenses, so they had a cushion. And then -- important -- I'd block contact with them in all possible ways, so they knew they had to had to had to stay afloat on their own, instead of thinking I would bail them out after six months and one day.

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