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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 1:34:22 PM   
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And we have a culture that allows monsters like this to be stopped if you can.

You have a death penalty in most states - that, I wholly agree with.
I think, if we had a free choice, a lot of people would vote for it to be reinstated.

But, I don't agree with guns for general populace.
A high percentage just can't be trusted with them.
And proof of that pudding is in the stats... everywhere.


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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 1:49:37 PM   
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And we have a culture that allows monsters like this to be stopped if you can.

You have a death penalty in most states - that, I wholly agree with.
I think, if we had a free choice, a lot of people would vote for it to be reinstated.

But, I don't agree with guns for general populace.
A high percentage just can't be trusted with them.
And proof of that pudding is in the stats... everywhere.


Right like the fact that 4 crimes are prevented with firearms than are committed with them. Mostly without anyone being injured, that is a stat which you are either unaware of (quite likely) or ignore. And keep in mind that this is obviously the most under reported crime statistic of all, who is going to call the cops and say " a crime just didn't happen"

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 2:08:11 PM   
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Right like the fact that 4 crimes are prevented with firearms than are committed with them.


We await a credible in depth analysis of that study. How do it know it have prevented it? Is is a kreskin gun? Is it breitbart?

Or, is that pure unadulterated horseshit?

I think we have the final answer.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 2:47:37 PM   
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Right like the fact that 4 crimes are prevented with firearms than are committed with them.

Right.
If it's a stat rather than horseshit, you can provide creditable links.

I believe you pulled this one before and couldn't provide any stats to support it.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 2:53:41 PM   
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Right like the fact that 4 crimes are prevented with firearms than are committed with them.

Right.
If it's a stat rather than horseshit, you can provide creditable links.

I believe you pulled this one before and couldn't provide any stats to support it.

Bloomberg admits to over 100,000 defensive gun uses per year, and his group puts the worst spin they can on private ownership.
Your memory is flawed at that time I provided 4 different studies, I quote Bloomberg because he gives the lowest number (big surprise)
but other studies have over 2 million. But yes I have provided the stats more than once.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 3:11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't remember seeing any of them.
And I don't remember anyone else spouting such info.
If it were true, it would be something that the NRA and various other pro-gun groups would be shouting from the rooftops to bolster their position.
I don't hear anything of the sort - and I'm a news junkie.

Creditable links??

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 3:14:53 PM   
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I don't remember seeing any of them.
And I don't remember anyone else spouting such info.
If it were true, it would be something that the NRA and various other pro-gun groups would be shouting from the rooftops to bolster their position.
I don't hear anything of the sort - and I'm a news junkie.

Creditable links??

Ah there's the rub what do you call credible, the Brady bunch.
And they do you guys just dismiss it and I would be shocked if it was on your news, doesn't fit the narrative.
Of course you don't remember it, you wouldn't remember it if I had posted them yesterday, doesn't fit your narrative.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 3:18:57 PM   
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www.dailykos.com/.../-Defensive-Gun-Use-

According to this CDC puts the number of defensive gun uses at 600,000

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 3:20:51 PM   
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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 3:21:58 PM   
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usnews.nbcnews.com/

This tells about the Bloomberg study with
100,000

So much for inferring I am a liar.
Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a lie.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 3:28:04 PM   
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usnews.nbcnews.com/

This tells about the Bloomberg study with
100,000

So much for inferring I am a liar.
Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a lie.

I checked the link and scrolled all the way through it.
There is no such reference.


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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:05:56 PM   
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I don't remember seeing any of them.
And I don't remember anyone else spouting such info.
If it were true, it would be something that the NRA and various other pro-gun groups would be shouting from the rooftops to bolster their position.
I don't hear anything of the sort - and I'm a news junkie.

Creditable links??



The NRA does spout it quite a bit. In fact, each month they publish a dozen or so of the stories in its magazine. 2,000,000 times a year has been around for more than a decade. Pretty much ever since CCW's became a big news item in Florida. I think the 600,000 are documented cases where people called the cops. The 2,000,000 is a statistical projection based on the likelihood people wouldn't call cops. But, the information is really so old and I haven't re-read it in years so I don't recall exactly. But Bama is correct.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:10:31 PM   
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rense.com/general76/univ.htm


Gary Kleck, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University in ...

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:11:56 PM   
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www.cnn.com/2012/.../bennett-gun-right...

Dec 19, 2012 - ... they can't be shot down, Bennett says; Bennett: Guns help prevent crime and improve public safety.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:13:43 PM   
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www.dailykos.com/.../-Defensive-Gun-Use-

According to this CDC puts the number of defensive gun uses at 600,000


here's a link from the dailykos that might work.....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/19/1203254/-More-NRA-mythbusting-do-guns-prevent-crime#

I particularly liked this

The annual average of guns used in self-defense is 67,600, vs. 232,400 guns that are stolen. So that trusty weapon is about 3 and a half times more likely to get thieved than to be used to carry out a heroic fantasy.



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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:14:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gun owners of America which you probably won't accept because they don't parrot Brady and your party line.

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.h...

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:16:07 PM   
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www.dailykos.com/.../-Defensive-Gun-Use-

According to this CDC puts the number of defensive gun uses at 600,000


here's a link from the dailykos that might work.....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/19/1203254/-More-NRA-mythbusting-do-guns-prevent-crime#



Ya, dailykos. Saw it and ignored it.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:16:50 PM   
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Gun owners of America which you probably won't accept because they don't parrot Brady and your party line.

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.h...



doesn't work, just like bama's pro gun link and your brain

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:20:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		They all open for me. Google crimes prevented by citizens with guns. Easy enough. You'll even see the joke dailykos link.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/29/2014 4:22:22 PM   
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Gun owners of America which you probably won't accept because they don't parrot Brady and your party line.

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.h...



doesn't work, just like bama's pro gun link and your brain



Lol, you know, 8-year olds shouldn't be here. LMAO, typical liberal argument.

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