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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 2:28:57 PM   
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You obviously only read half his answer. Typical of you.

The bit you missed was: "The fact in some part of the world laws are written to avoid prosecution for quite a scary amount of reckless acts is a whole different concept."

And he's not saying what you said he said either.
He's saying that it should be illegal there like it is where he lives and in the rest of the civilized world.
Big difference.


No, you should not have to be a master of tactics to avoid prosecution.
You may find it scary for me to be able to defend myself without being James Bond, I don't. As little as you know about the concept of self defense I would support your right to do so. I understood and you missed his first post where he said, not that we should do it like you do, but that not using perfect tactics was illegal. See post 74 then he backed up to what you said. Now you are ticked because I held him to his original statement.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 2:39:17 PM   
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You obviously only read half his answer. Typical of you.

The bit you missed was: "The fact in some part of the world laws are written to avoid prosecution for quite a scary amount of reckless acts is a whole different concept."

And he's not saying what you said he said either.
He's saying that it should be illegal there like it is where he lives and in the rest of the civilized world.
Big difference.


No, you should not have to be a master of tactics to avoid prosecution.
You may find it scary for me to be able to defend myself without being James Bond, I don't. As little as you know about the concept of self defense I would support your right to do so. I understood and you missed his first post where he said, not that we should do it like you do, but that not using perfect tactics was illegal. See post 74 then he backed up to what you said. Now you are ticked because I held him to his original statement.

Not at all.
What he said, in not so perfect English (because that's not his native tongue), is that a rather reckless scary act that resulted in a death is usually pursued everywhere else as a manslaughter charge instead of the laughingly "self defense" laws that you have over in the US.
His point was that US laws appear to be deliberately written to avoid a prosecution on a manslaughter charge where the same situation would not be considered a self defense plea elsewhere.




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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 2:40:07 PM   
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I can't generally be bothered to read these weekly 'Let's all rehearse our primary school pro gun arguments' threads these days. However, if anyone turns up to opine that we Brits are still pissed off about the War of Independence, can you let me know? I always love those arguments. Cheers in advance.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 2:44:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

You obviously only read half his answer. Typical of you.

The bit you missed was: "The fact in some part of the world laws are written to avoid prosecution for quite a scary amount of reckless acts is a whole different concept."

And he's not saying what you said he said either.
He's saying that it should be illegal there like it is where he lives and in the rest of the civilized world.
Big difference.


No, you should not have to be a master of tactics to avoid prosecution.
You may find it scary for me to be able to defend myself without being James Bond, I don't. As little as you know about the concept of self defense I would support your right to do so. I understood and you missed his first post where he said, not that we should do it like you do, but that not using perfect tactics was illegal. See post 74 then he backed up to what you said. Now you are ticked because I held him to his original statement.

Not at all.
What he said, in not so perfect English (because that's not his native tongue), is that a rather reckless scary act that resulted in a death is usually pursued everywhere else as a manslaughter charge instead of the laughingly "self defense" laws that you have over in the US.
His point was that US laws appear to be deliberately written to avoid a prosecution on a manslaughter charge where the same situation would not be considered a self defense plea elsewhere.




You are really dense. I understood exactly what he said. We should get civilized and do it like you do. I don't care how you do it, if you don't like the way we do things don't move here.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 2:57:15 PM   
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You are really dense. I understood exactly what he said. We should get civilized and do it like you do. I don't care how you do it, if you don't like the way we do things don't move here.

And that's exactly the reason I didn't!

Even O'Bama commented "Only in America..." and only the pro-gun Americans perpetuating this nonsense just can't see the disconnect.


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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:23:06 PM   
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You are really dense. I understood exactly what he said. We should get civilized and do it like you do. I don't care how you do it, if you don't like the way we do things don't move here.

And that's exactly the reason I didn't!

Even O'Bama commented "Only in America..." and only the pro-gun Americans perpetuating this nonsense just can't see the disconnect.


Yes I can, Obama is totally disconnected, he has stated that America is fundamentally flawed and needs to be changed. Your arrogance leads you to believe that disagreeing with you implies inability to comprehend, no it just means I disagree. Btw thanks for not moving here, now mind your own business.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:42:52 PM   
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Btw thanks for not moving here, now mind your own business.


To be fair, the USA sticks its nose in the business of countries all over the globe - frequently and in a very big way. You can't really complain if people from the rest of the world decide to dig in to the internal business of the USA, Bama.

That's especially true when it comes to the USA's ultra-liberal policy with regard to guns - because it's only (a subsection of) Americans who think that policy is anything other than extreme.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:44:48 PM   
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The argument being given here is as follows "if you dont like how we do it, then fuck off" and its spouted by those same posters insisting Obama needs to get involved in other peoples affairs.

For the record, if I tell anyone they dont comprehend, it isnt because they disagree, its because they dont comprehend.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:46:20 PM   
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Btw thanks for not moving here, now mind your own business.


To be fair, the USA sticks its nose in the business of countries all over the globe - frequently and in a very big way. You can't really complain if people from the rest of the world decide to dig in to the internal business of the USA, Bama.

That's especially true when it comes to the USA's ultra-liberal policy with regard to guns - because it's only (a subsection of) Americans who think that policy is anything other than extreme.

Actually you only read polls here right after something like Sandy Hook, current polls run the other way. And as long as I don't tell you how to run your country, yes I can tell you to mind your own business.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:53:39 PM   
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And as long as I don't tell you how to run your country, yes I can tell you to mind your own business.


And I can continue to ignore that, as I shall indeed do. When it comes to people being maltreated, I don't give a flying rat's arse which country they're in - I'll criticise that country's policies if I feel like it. This is because the people being maltreated are people, as well as Americans, or Gazans, or Israelis, or ... etc, etc, etc. The USA is just another foreign country to me, Bama. You might as well get used to it.





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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:54:56 PM   
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What he's eluding at is that the law is fucking wrong in the US compared to every other civilized country in the world.




And we give a shit about your opinion on that because...?

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 3:57:21 PM   
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And as long as I don't tell you how to run your country, yes I can tell you to mind your own business.


And I can continue to ignore that, as I shall indeed do. When it comes to people being maltreated, I don't give a flying rat's arse which country they're in - I'll criticise that country's policies if I feel like it. This is because the people being maltreated are people, as well as Americans, or Gazans, or Israelis, or ... etc, etc, etc. The USA is just another foreign country to me, Bama. You might as well get used to it.





And I will continue to respect your opinion just like I would that of a Frenchman.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, Joether says we take things to extremes and run around flapping our arms. Of course he takes two pages to do that. Oh, he additional defined anyone who didn't think exactly as he does as not worth listening to when he could have just ignored the thread.


Personally, I was disappointed the article didn't list the brand of the now or whether he used field points or broadheads.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:00:41 PM   
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its spouted by those same posters insisting Obama needs to get involved in other peoples affairs.




Nonsense, Polite. It's those of us who don't like government getting involved in every little detail of our lives who say that. Get your shit straight.

Now be careful. You don't want your blood pressure up when the attendant from Health and Safety comes to check on you. They might cut your ration of Vigra.


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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:02:15 PM   
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What he's eluding at is that the law is fucking wrong in the US compared to every other civilized country in the world.




And we give a shit about your opinion on that because...?

It wasn't my opinion!!

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:04:28 PM   
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Wrong, he didn't use the best tactics.
That doesn't mean he did anything in violation of the law.

What he's eluding at is that the law is fucking wrong in the US compared to every other civilized country in the world.


And what I am eluding to is the fact that it makes no difference what you think the law should be here. I don't tell you that something is illegal there because it is here and I don't like the way do it. If you think declaring something illegal here because you don't do it that way in your worn out country is ok you are an idiot. I find it hard to believe that bad tactics are a crime anywhere.

We have a saying here in Alabama, usually reserved for loudmouth Yankees, I don't care how they do it where you come from.


With this logic you are not entitled to criticize californian gun laws, so if you are not suggesting people of alabama should rule all the united states, most of your comments on this thread are inappropriate. Like I explained to ThirdWheelWanted I can only talk about my expereince due to my culture an my personal sensibility, being aware in most aspects it's on the opposite side of the spectrum than american one. I'm not a gun control lobbyst, I don't have a personal agenda, so it is just something it puzzles me, like fishing dolphins in japan, I feel free to express my opinions.
I was pointing out that homicide is an unlawfull act, and self defence is a justification cause, so if all the prescriptions of the law are not perfectly respected you are committing a crime. In the second part of my post I was pointing out when a man can legally be justified even if there was no actual threat but just a presumed one, the response was not necessary, and there was no proportion between offence and response, there is a very tiny amount of responsibility required for gun owners.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:05:11 PM   
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And I will continue to respect your opinion just like I would that of a Frenchman.


OK. Whatever.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:17:58 PM   
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its spouted by those same posters insisting Obama needs to get involved in other peoples affairs.




Nonsense, Polite. It's those of us who don't like government getting involved in every little detail of our lives who say that. Get your shit straight.

Now be careful. You don't want your blood pressure up when the attendant from Health and Safety comes to check on you. They might cut your ration of Vigra.



You need to get out more Rich, you are losing the plot big time. Whatever happened to you defending free speech at all costs ?

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:21:13 PM   
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And as long as I don't tell you how to run your country, yes I can tell you to mind your own business.


And I can continue to ignore that, as I shall indeed do. When it comes to people being maltreated, I don't give a flying rat's arse which country they're in - I'll criticise that country's policies if I feel like it. This is because the people being maltreated are people, as well as Americans, or Gazans, or Israelis, or ... etc, etc, etc. The USA is just another foreign country to me, Bama. You might as well get used to it.





And I will continue to respect your opinion just like I would that of a Frenchman.


remember you'd be speaking proper english if franchmen didn't helped you in the revolution.

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RE: California's gun restrictions are working! - 8/25/2014 4:21:29 PM   
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And I will continue to respect your opinion just like I would that of a Frenchman.


OK. Whatever.


C`est La Vie Peon. Dont antagonise Boss Hogg or he will put you on hide, then complain because he cant see your posts.



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