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Whatever happened to you defending free speech at all costs ?

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Wrong, he didn't use the best tactics.
That doesn't mean he did anything in violation of the law.

What he's eluding at is that the law is fucking wrong in the US compared to every other civilized country in the world.

And what I am eluding to is the fact that it makes no difference what you think the law should be here. I don't tell you that something is illegal there because it is here and I don't like the way do it. If you think declaring something illegal here because you don't do it that way in your worn out country is ok you are an idiot. I find it hard to believe that bad tactics are a crime anywhere.

We have a saying here in Alabama, usually reserved for loudmouth Yankees, I don't care how they do it where you come from.

With this logic you are not entitled to criticize californian gun laws, so if you are not suggesting people of alabama should rule all the united states, most of your comments on this thread are inappropriate. Like I explained to ThirdWheelWanted I can only talk about my expereince due to my culture an my personal sensibility, being aware in most aspects it's on the opposite side of the spectrum than american one. I'm not a gun control lobbyst, so it is just something it puzzles me like fishing dolphins in japan, I feel free to express my opinions.
I was pointing out that homicide is an unlawfull act, and self defence is a justification cause, so if all the prescriptions of the law are not perfectly respected you are committing a crime. In the second part of my post I was pointing out when a man can legally be justified even if there was no actual threat but just a presumed one, the response was not necessary, and there was no proportion between offence and response, there is a very tiny amount of responsibility required for gun owners.

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And as long as I don't tell you how to run your country, yes I can tell you to mind your own business.

And I can continue to ignore that, as I shall indeed do. When it comes to people being maltreated, I don't give a flying rat's arse which country they're in - I'll criticise that country's policies if I feel like it. This is because the people being maltreated are people, as well as Americans, or Gazans, or Israelis, or ... etc, etc, etc. The USA is just another foreign country to me, Bama. You might as well get used to it.

And I will continue to respect your opinion just like I would that of a Frenchman.

remember you'd be speaking proper english if franchmen didn't helped you in the revolution.

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Freedomdwarf,

I can't generally be bothered to read these weekly 'Let's all rehearse our primary school pro gun arguments' threads these days. However, if anyone turns up to opine that we Brits are still pissed off about the War of Independence, can you let me know? I always love those arguments. Cheers in advance.

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Of course that was at the start. 150 years later everyone would be speaking German or Japanese without us.........oh, except maybe the Italians. But I doubt that.

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Freedomdwarf,

I can't generally be bothered to read these weekly 'Let's all rehearse our primary school pro gun arguments' threads these days. However, if anyone turns up to opine that we Brits are still pissed off about the War of Independence, can you let me know? I always love those arguments. Cheers in advance.

Would you also like to be given a heads up next time the old "poor subjugated Brits, they have no freedom 'cos they can't carry guns and shoot shit" line comes up again?

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I went to a fun store last week I hadn't been in before. I found it very comfortable. Then, a local brought in a guy from Britain to show him a gun store. Everyone was nice to him and chatted nicely to him. Then suddenly he noticed all of the store staff was wearing sidearms. He started to get nervous. I told him I was carrying concealed and probably everyone else in the store was as well. (It's a little piece of Free American in California. But I'm not going to say where because the leftists will try and stamp it out.) When the Brit realized everyone was armed he literally ran from the store with no other words. The leftists train people to fear well in Britain.

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lmfao....... Another dopey fucker, you do know we have a Conservative government dont you.

Nah, I didnt think so.

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Bingo
Wrong on all counts
A what happens in one part of the country affects the whole country
B the relationship is between reasonably understood threat and response. I guess people over there, being so much more advanced than we are can read minds. Thus we are not held accountable for what they think but what they do. For example in someone shoved open my door and tried to force me out without explanation I would not be responsible for them being drunk and in the wrong house but you gun a phobs would be ranting that I shot him for getting lost on the way home, and that getting lost doesn't warent being killed.
C In the case in question the man defending the home met all the legal requirements perfectly, he could just have used better tactics. You can't make not being a master of tactics a crime. That is unless you are a hopeless elitist.

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Bingo
Wrong on all counts
A what happens in one part of the country affects the whole country
B the relationship is between reasonably understood threat and response. I guess people over there, being so much more advanced than we are can read minds. Thus we are not held accountable for what they think but what they do. For example in someone shoved open my door and tried to force me out without explanation I would not be responsible for them being drunk and in the wrong house but you gun a phobs would be ranting that I shot him for getting lost on the way home, and that getting lost doesn't warent being killed.
C In the case in question the man defending the home met all the legal requirements perfectly, he could just have used better tactics. You can't make not being a master of tactics a crime. That is unless you are a hopeless elitist.

"Bingo"... so it is a competition in being right for you, isn't it?
About the being wrong we can agree we disagree.
A maybe but residents of alabama do not vote in for local governament of california so niether you are a costituent of that state's legislators, this means for the most sacred democratic principles your opinion must have no value in california.
B I'm actually more concerned about being attacked by a bear while in the forest than your scenario, that's what I meant with different personal experience. I never denied you are a troubled people, I was suggesting guns are an excuse to not deal with the causes.
C I'm afraid the outcome would be the same, but untill there is a wall and a door between you and the threat you are always in time to call the police.

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lmfao....... Another dopey fucker, you do know we have a Conservative government dont you.

Nah, I didnt think so.

You still haven't learned to speak 'American', PS. 'Conservative' in Brit English means 'Slightly less dangerous Communist' in US English.

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I went to a fun store last week I hadn't been in before. I found it very comfortable. Then, a local brought in a guy from Britain to show him a gun store. Everyone was nice to him and chatted nicely to him. Then suddenly he noticed all of the store staff was wearing sidearms. He started to get nervous. I told him I was carrying concealed and probably everyone else in the store was as well. (It's a little piece of Free American in California. But I'm not going to say where because the leftists will try and stamp it out.) When the Brit realized everyone was armed he literally ran from the store with no other words. The leftists train people to fear well in Britain.

lmfao....... Another dopey fucker, you do know we have a Conservative government dont you.

Nah, I didnt think so.

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I went to a fun store last week I hadn't been in before. I found it very comfortable. Then, a local brought in a guy from Britain to show him a gun store. Everyone was nice to him and chatted nicely to him. Then suddenly he noticed all of the store staff was wearing sidearms. He started to get nervous. I told him I was carrying concealed and probably everyone else in the store was as well. (It's a little piece of Free American in California. But I'm not going to say where because the leftists will try and stamp it out.) When the Brit realized everyone was armed he literally ran from the store with no other words. The leftists train people to fear well in Britain.

lmfao....... Another dopey fucker, you do know we have a Conservative government dont you.

Nah, I didnt think so.

Somehow we keep forgetting that our entire world revolves around how some otherwise insignificant angry little troll living thousands of miles away from us sees things

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Otherwise?

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Otherwise?

Except for how our world revolves around him and his perspective on things

(Its sarcasm)

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Somehow we keep forgetting that our entire world revolves around how some otherwise insignificant angry little troll living thousands of miles away from us sees things