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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 6:57:00 PM   
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I'm still new enough to ask: is this shit (no pun intended) for real? Do people live like this?


Not for long.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 7:04:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: davezzo

First: This is in no way a personal add! I am still a few years away from being able to make this happen. I seek information and advice from the wise Mistresses here, hoping 1 or two are kind enough to reply.

I have some advanced kinks. For example, full toilet service to one or more strong Dominant Women. Literally to live in the waste of several Woman 20+ hours a day. This from a user named {removed by Moderator}, "...You see a male toilet slave in this Woman’s family lives in the basement of our home in a box the size of a coffin. Its whole body is in the toilet not just its head. The toilet box is lined with plastic and it lives in the waste of the family. Any Woman, is allowed to use the male toilet slave at any time. At the moment, there are no men living here and there may never be. But there are my four daughters and I, and I can assure you that you will be used and trained as our toilet for the rest of your miserable life...". if I found myself in such a situation it would be my life's fulfillment.

This Woman speaks of keeping her Toilet in the box 22 hours a day, only coming out briefly to clean my box (my home!), clean myself, and to get some real exercise. If I were lucky to have it all, I'd hope to receive some brutal punishments during the time out of the box, too.

So my questions: I'd be perfectly happy exchanging my sizeable social security check (I'm 6 years away from retirement) if the recipient could accommodate me in a fashion similar to that described bu [removed by Moderator]. Are there Woman out there who might find such an arrangement attractive? How does one find them?

PS/ I am aware of and accept the health risks - its my strong desire to retire into this lifestyle even if that means a rather short retirement. :(

Thanks for reading this. I look forward to any response that, if I'm lucky, might come my way...?






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OK....OP....f you want a very slow death of salmonella poisoning, infection and high fever and a number of other ways then yes, I'm sure some maniac body modification inclined wackjob who would also circumcise you with a rusty spoon would be happy to indulge. And people didn't believe that some of these subs actually insist on doing stuff like this and some D who thinks this is viable might actually try to indulge.


GoddessManko, this wins the understatement of the year award. However, I think the high fever is likely to hasten death. Maintaining homeostasis in a situation like this would be very difficult indeed.

Really, davezzo, with all due respect, I'm supportive of any adult who wishes to engage in extreme, sane behavior. but dude, you need a therapist. What you want reminds me of scaphism (look it up, it's an ancient Persian punishment, possibly worse than crucifixion). And when you read about it, it will also remind you about the vermin. Because the situation you describe is really not good for anything except breeding flies. It wouldn't be long before your entire body was a suppurating mess. The house would be condemned as a health hazard and for vermin infestations. The owners would be arrested and probably imprisoned for a long time. And if by chance they found you soon enough, you'd be heading to a mental institution. What you are claiming you want here -- excluding some type of extreme self-abnegating "fantasy" (which I can't fathom, but dream all you want) is so fundamentally psychologically dysmorphic and ego-dystonic as well as pushing the bounds of reality-testing, that you really need to understand why you think of yourself as worth less than the most fetid sewer in the world. Because you certainly as a healthy human being are worth magnitudes more.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 10:45:24 PM   
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subrosaDom, thank you for the serious advice. I am not alone in viewing (full) toilet service as a highly intimate surrender to the dominant. Yes, it is very rare. And as with all paraphilias the numbers of men far exceed the numbers of women with similar interests. However, interest in these things (far short of the fantasy shared in the OP) are in and of themselves not a mental illness. it does not rise to that level until and if they cause significant distress and/or impairment in other aspects of one's life. However I recognize that realization of the fantasy will cause "distress" and "dysfunction". So, yes, I'm sure you and others are right that it crosses the line from an alternate lifestyle to illness (I feel properly rebuked by the many responses here - reality check accomplished).

As a person with deeply unusual needs and desires, I long ago came to appreciate that what looks crazy and inexplicable from the outside can be perfectly understandable and sane from inside. I thus respect and can accept that others get thrills and satisfaction from things that do nothing for me. My experience (maybe I've been lucky) is that most of us who have had to deal with our own kinks feel the same. So I ask the equally open minded here, where does one draw the line here? Is it the consensus that any indulgence of the fantasy just crazy and wrong or was it the unrealistic extremity of the OP scenario?

There is comfort for me in surrender to another, someone interested in me solely as object through which their own needs are met. The fantasy I outlined comes from an ad from another person - it seemed to me to be the most intense way to realize such surrender. I'm sure there are other ways that fall far short of all the complications of the original fantasy, but I confess that I found it very exciting.




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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 10:50:32 PM   
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Retiring into service, is generally speaking, antithetical to what happens as we age. Older people need increasingly more help (service) as time goes by. So, IMO, not a solid plan.

As a full-time toilet? I'm going to say the whole, your kink may not be my kink, no longer applies because submission involves the care and well-being of the submissive and of the Dominant. That scenario meets neither person's basic human needs and exposes both to harm.

THAT ^^^ is how I judge the difference between "edge play" and just plain old sick.

I suggest taking a look at the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom to get a good look at what BDSM folk are up to.

ETA - If this became an obsession, I'd suggest taking a vacation from work, and everything and simply lie in your bathtub for 22 hours, day after day... just an empty tub and see what the effects are of that. Add your own feces, if you are so inclined... and see what nature does with that. Reality may interfere with the obsession in ways which nothing else will.



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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 10:57:52 PM   
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subrosaDom, thank you for the serious advice. I am not alone in viewing (full) toilet service as a highly intimate surrender to the dominant. Yes, it is very rare. And as with all paraphilias the numbers of men far exceed the numbers of women with similar interests. However, interest in these things (far short of the fantasy shared in the OP) are in and of themselves not a mental illness. it does not rise to that level until and if they cause significant distress and/or impairment in other aspects of one's life.'

You're welcome. Yes, absolutely true.

However I recognize that realization of the fantasy will cause "distress" and "dysfunction". So, yes, I'm sure you and others are right that it crosses the line from an alternate lifestyle to illness (I feel properly rebuked by the many responses here - reality check accomplished).

Again, absolutely true.

As a person with deeply unusual needs and desires, I long ago came to appreciate that what looks crazy and inexplicable from the outside can be perfectly understandable and sane from inside. I thus respect and can accept that others get thrills and satisfaction from things that do nothing for me. My experience (maybe I've been lucky) is that most of us who have had to deal with our own kinks feel the same. So I ask the equally open minded here, where does one draw the line here? Is it the consensus that any indulgence of the fantasy just crazy and wrong or was it the unrealistic extremity of the OP scenario?

It's the medical risk, the disease vectors, the impossibility of what you're describing being anything but suicidal. So the extremity is in going from something unusual and paraphiliac to something endangering you and others, medically and legally. And I don't think suicide is inherently evil, either. If you had ALS, I'd completely understand, for example, albeit not by this particular method. I -- and I suspect most others here -- readily acknowlege thrills and desires others get that have no appeal to each of us, respectively. Look, I'm straight. So gay male sex does nothing for me. Similarly, consensually beating a woman black-and-blue does nothing for me, either. Neither does "consensual" amputation of her arms, but of course you'd likely agree that's simply not right.

There is comfort for me in surrender to another, someone interested in me solely as object through which their own needs are met. The fantasy I outlined comes from an ad from another person - it seemed to me to be the most intense way to realize such surrender. I'm sure there are other ways that fall far short of all the complications of the original fantasy, but I confess that I found it very exciting.

I can't speak for you or what turns you on, but most urolagnic fantasies are realizable, although a recent study found urine isn't nearly as sterile as thought. Still, its sterility is >>> feces. Or perhaps you could emulate what you have. I would imagine it's possible to with dyes and other chemicals and even olfactory agents to safely emulate the consistency and odor of feces. I'm not willing to research that for you ;) -- but that would be one way to attempt to experience something paraphiliac and otherwise dangerous without the danger. Or I would imagine with Oculus Rift, the potential is there for some kind of VR experience that gets inside your head without any risk at all. I'd look in directions such as those.







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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 11:49:20 PM   
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This seems like one of those fetishes that may appeal to some as a fantasy but are completely unrealistic in real life.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/26/2014 11:52:17 PM   
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Why has no one addressed this?

"I married, had children, divorced, and now I'm approaching retirement pretty much free of encumbrances."

Would his children, possibly his grandchildren, his friends, and other family members, really not care if they never saw this guy again? And even if they did, if he was living as a human toilet, how would that be explained? "Oh! I must have fallen in a bath of cologne?" "Bedsores? What bedsores?".. Even taking that fantasy out of the equation, living 24.7 as a chained slave, same situation, would his friends and family really not care if they saw him one day and not the next?

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/27/2014 2:10:14 AM   
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Why has no one addressed this?

"I married, had children, divorced, and now I'm approaching retirement pretty much free of encumbrances."

Would his children, possibly his grandchildren, his friends, and other family members, really not care if they never saw this guy again? And even if they did, if he was living as a human toilet, how would that be explained? "Oh! I must have fallen in a bath of cologne?" "Bedsores? What bedsores?".. Even taking that fantasy out of the equation, living 24.7 as a chained slave, same situation, would his friends and family really not care if they saw him one day and not the next?


Because, as they say, you can't boil the ocean.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/27/2014 9:38:06 AM   
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I hope that's going to be a very large SS check because the first thing you would have to do is buy a house to put that box in. There is no way in hell I am going to live with a box full of shit in my basement. Then you would have to have the money so I could hire someone to take care of you. Again, I have no desire to be around that much shit and since you would be in the box someone would have to see to your needs. That would include food for you and for the one watching you and all the other misc stuff that goes with caring for someone who can't care for themselves. And I am thinking that won't be cheep. On top of that, you will have to have enough cash for me to stay satisfied with someone who can only be played with a couple hours a day and only after a really good washing. And I know for a fact that won't be cheep.

so yea, let me know when you get the house and can afford to pay several thousand a month for your fantasy and we'll see what we can do.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/27/2014 9:47:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko


quote:

ORIGINAL: davezzo

First: This is in no way a personal add! I am still a few years away from being able to make this happen. I seek information and advice from the wise Mistresses here, hoping 1 or two are kind enough to reply.

I have some advanced kinks. For example, full toilet service to one or more strong Dominant Women. Literally to live in the waste of several Woman 20+ hours a day. This from a user named {removed by Moderator}, "...You see a male toilet slave in this Woman’s family lives in the basement of our home in a box the size of a coffin. Its whole body is in the toilet not just its head. The toilet box is lined with plastic and it lives in the waste of the family. Any Woman, is allowed to use the male toilet slave at any time. At the moment, there are no men living here and there may never be. But there are my four daughters and I, and I can assure you that you will be used and trained as our toilet for the rest of your miserable life...". if I found myself in such a situation it would be my life's fulfillment.

This Woman speaks of keeping her Toilet in the box 22 hours a day, only coming out briefly to clean my box (my home!), clean myself, and to get some real exercise. If I were lucky to have it all, I'd hope to receive some brutal punishments during the time out of the box, too.

So my questions: I'd be perfectly happy exchanging my sizeable social security check (I'm 6 years away from retirement) if the recipient could accommodate me in a fashion similar to that described bu [removed by Moderator]. Are there Woman out there who might find such an arrangement attractive? How does one find them?

PS/ I am aware of and accept the health risks - its my strong desire to retire into this lifestyle even if that means a rather short retirement. :(

Thanks for reading this. I look forward to any response that, if I'm lucky, might come my way...?






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OK....OP....f you want a very slow death of salmonella poisoning, infection and high fever and a number of other ways then yes, I'm sure some maniac body modification inclined wackjob who would also circumcise you with a rusty spoon would be happy to indulge. And people didn't believe that some of these subs actually insist on doing stuff like this and some D who thinks this is viable might actually try to indulge.



Shit, I forgot about that. Ok Steven made a good point when he said you would have to clean yourself. So whoever I hire to watch you while you wallow in filth won't need as much and we can put some aside for the cremation or possibly just donate you for study.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/27/2014 2:03:10 PM   
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I have 2 cats, the litter boxes are in a spare room in the back of the house and I clean the boxes twice a day so the house never stinks of cat shit. I clean up the backyard every time the dogs go out and shit so the yard doesn't stink and there's no unsightly dog shit laying around the yard. I can't imagine and don't want to imagine what the house would smell like having a box in the basement for everyone to shit in. Not to mention the flies, maggots, disease and health risks everyone in the house would be exposed to.

I'm a very open minded person, I'm a "to each his own" person and feel just because your kink or fetish isn't my cup of tea, I don't usually judge other peoples kinks but living in a box full of shit for 20 hours a day is disgusting and that's an understatement.

OP......Instead of giving your SS money to someone who would agree to your fantasy, maybe you should spend it wisely on a good therapist.


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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/28/2014 12:06:23 AM   
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Haven’t you ever walked in to a toilet (public toilets, in a national parks etc.) that have been blocked for god knows how many days but never the less been used? The stench almost kills you and lingers in your nostrils for hours afterwards if not days even though one took a brief smell before bolting out immediately. I won’t mention the giant flies.

If the unhealthy situations posters mentioned won’t kill you first, being immobile for that many hours will.


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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/28/2014 6:10:59 AM   
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OP, I believe there is a mad doctor in Germany who likes doing strange experiments with faeces. I'm sure he'd love a volunteer. Bring your friends.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 8/30/2014 2:00:44 PM   
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A lot of people find this particular kink disgusting, and I'm with GoddessManko on this one. It's a hard limit of mine but I don't mind peeing on someone who's really into it. I'm a big clean freak and will only do it in a bathtub or similar, and only because I know urine is sterile.

OP:Fantasy and reality can be two VERY different things.

I'd be interested to hear from people how this differs from a slave with extreme bondage fantasies. For example, my last had an idea that was so strong he couldn't let go of it. He wanted to be kept in a closet chained up 24 hours a day except for the times when I took him out and 'made use of' him in various ways. I told him that would never work, because that level of responsibility isn't for me. In addition, the atrophy, lack of exposure to sunlight, general ill-health that would follow would do him no good. He really thought it would be a good idea, but like most men, he didn't realize the fantasy would never live up to the reality. He would have quickly become bored and then concocted another elaborate fantasy, no doubt.

In my opinion the reason people differentiate between the above and the toilet fetishes is the huge 'ick' factor involved in the latter (not to mention the health risks of being in contact with someone's waste).

A few of you have suggested the OP 'get help.' So I have to ask, not to derail the thread, but are the vast numbers of people with toilet fetishes in need of therapy? Because there's a lot of them out there.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 9/6/2014 2:19:33 PM   
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i think you need to realize that some things are hot in fantasy but certainly not in real life. I felt embarrassed for only realizing this in my late twenties and put it down to a a social disability that i was so late to figure it out. however the fact that your near pension age and have not figured this one out shows maybe it had nothing to do with disability on my end.

when i was with my ex i truly loved her i had fantasied about cuckholding though i never mentioned this to her i never wanted her to do it i actually loved her and when she did cheat on me and treat me like shit yeah part of me was turned on but in truth i was miserable and heartbroken. and ive got to tell you having something stuck up your penis hole to check for an std after irritation finding out that the girl you loved had been doing it with anyone is not pleasant. i might find stories fantasies about it sexy however the real thing isn't.

also nobody wants a pervert sex and sexual kinks is great but there is a life outside that.


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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 9/13/2014 9:03:36 AM   
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Would constipation be classed as tease & denial? Does this shitbox have a fan? Where is the bog roll holder attached?

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 9/14/2014 12:43:30 PM   
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whateverthehellmynameisonherethesedays
looks out his stout stick and sets it to thrashing sense mode
that women has as much reality as you do...if you did not invent it in the first place (imo)

Servitude is beyond most peoples grasp, and easily yours and the clown you are talking too online..if i take your wordage at face value rolls eyeballs rather than arse spraying mayhem.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 9/14/2014 5:04:56 PM   
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Would constipation be classed as tease & denial?






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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 9/14/2014 7:20:14 PM   
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ETA - If this became an obsession, I'd suggest taking a vacation from work, and everything and simply lie in your bathtub for 22 hours, day after day... just an empty tub and see what the effects are of that. Add your own feces, if you are so inclined... and see what nature does with that. Reality may interfere with the obsession in ways which nothing else will.




Totally agree. Just the lying 22 hours in a box - even perfectly clean - seems like it would become physically and psychologically damaging quite quickly.

It is not uncommon to get a bit caught up in fantasies that would not be practical or desirable in reality... and this seems like an extreme case of same.

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RE: Retire into Servitude - Possible? - 9/19/2014 12:25:49 PM   
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Dave, the ammonia issues alone are enough to cause health hazards.

If he has an amonia fetish isn't amonia available over the counter?

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