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A question about rope... - 8/26/2014 12:32:24 PM

shiftyw

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Its no secret that I'm not into rope.

But I have to ask-

I occasionally browse pics on here, or FL- sometimes I see some long complicated shibari (i.e.- someone is tied to a beam in a barn, someone is suspended above a pool, someone is tied beautifully in a complicated spiderweb)- but they are inaccessible for play after being tied up.

Not being into rope- I'm curious how the act of being tied (in a complicated setting like that) makes you feel submissive to someone (or dominant over someone)?

I get bondage- and I'm into bondage- but for me the act of being tied or chained does nothing for me- its what comes after- and in these situations it feels more collaborative than for a nice picture more than anything else...

Is this just a situation where power dynamics and labels don't really fit in? Or am I missing a fundamental part of this?

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/26/2014 12:39:48 PM

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I dont know you are missing it, you just aint feeling it. You can be tied to be used. Think for some, swaddling cloths like a baby comforting, think for some, the pretty stuff all over their bodies, the attention, the detail, the time, the 'forced' helpless I can do anything I want, and you dont have to be responsible..........

Maybe something else does that for you, for some, the rope........

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/26/2014 1:27:48 PM

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~FRing it~

My guy and I don't use a lot of rope ourselves, but we do use some. Nothing elaborate like the rope artwork pics. I've neither the time nor the patience for it. He likes easier access to me than artwork bondage allows. I'm assuming your question is based more on not getting the artwork bondage, but not the practical type bondage? I'm answering from practical bondage aspect because, like you, I get nothing from pretty picture bondage.

The tying and restraining signifies submission to him for me. I'm not in control of my own body, but rather he is by controlling even my most basic movements. It's weird, but I feel more free in bondage than I do out of it. There is a comfort in it, even when it's uncomfortable like when I'm in a hogtie. The little bit of rope we do use just merely provides a different sensation to the bondage for me.

I agree with Ron. If it isn't your thing, it isn't your thing. I don't think you are honestly missing any sort of fundamental part of this. Your perspective is uniquely yours and is based on what tweaks your cookies.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/26/2014 2:13:19 PM

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See- for me- I kinda get like a practical bondage viewpoint- its the "artwork" I'm not getting...

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/26/2014 3:04:41 PM

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FR: I like it because you can't do this with typical restraints. But not every kink is for everyone. Shibari is only art for Shibari artists, for most people who use rope it's about versatility.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/26/2014 3:36:36 PM

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^ That to me is practical. You can get to all the fun parts, and inflict pain, or whatever.
This I do not understand:
http://www.ucd.ie/juggling/images/props/shibari.jpg

OBVIOUSLY- the rope work is gorgeous- no denying that- but now that she's in the air and all restrained- what can you do? Was the process of being tied up the kink?
Couldn't that just be a willing model, not necessarily submissive?
Why is this shibari artwork held in higher regard by kinky folk than any skilled fashion designer/photographer if that is the case?

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/27/2014 5:23:29 PM

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The Man describes it as me being the canvas, and him the artist. It's frequently about other play and sex. But it's not uncommon for him to tie me up just to look at me, knowing that I'm helpless until he undoes it.

He's also put me into a comfortable tie to sleep in after play. Because I feel safe like that.

Restraints here aren't a way station on getting to the good stuff. They are the good stuff, all by themselves.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/28/2014 8:26:20 AM

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Obviously the first point is, it's ok not to "get" different things/kinks.

Having tried my hand at rope in the past... As the one tying the knots, it definitely felt like "Art" - I was creating a sculpture. And while it wasn't get yer rocks off horny for me, it was very fulfilling to do.

For my playmate, the immobilisation was horny in a subtle way. She likened it to a combination of bondage and meditation - And the notion that she'd been transformed into simply a piece of art rang her objectification bells.

Some ropework, and some suspension especially, can be moderately painful at times, so there may well also be an element of masochism, too.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/28/2014 8:44:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw

^ That to me is practical. You can get to all the fun parts, and inflict pain, or whatever.
This I do not understand:
http://www.ucd.ie/juggling/images/props/shibari.jpg

OBVIOUSLY- the rope work is gorgeous- no denying that- but now that she's in the air and all restrained- what can you do? Was the process of being tied up the kink?
Couldn't that just be a willing model, not necessarily submissive?
Why is this shibari artwork held in higher regard by kinky folk than any skilled fashion designer/photographer if that is the case?

You are a beautiful tied up package of art. You are the reason for rope and restraint. Some get off on that. (and hanging like that is a physical activity and takes some real muscle control, like caught in the air snapshot freeze of some gymnastic endeavor) So, as I have said many times, slavery should be an Olympic sport.

That's what's in that for some. A living piece of artwork. For that one, brief, shining moment in time..........

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/28/2014 12:51:44 PM

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Y'all are so helpful.

Thanks to all of you it makes a great deal more sense now...I really hadn't seen it as an objectification thing really, but now that I have that makes a great deal of sense. I mean, I also got to thinking of the physical task of being tied must take a great deal of work and discipline (I can't sit there that long)- which fits into it too.

Thanks!

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/29/2014 11:25:10 AM

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Gonna change your name to RopyM and turn it all upside down now? Ja, didn't think so.

LOL.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/29/2014 12:57:55 PM

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The fetish originates from a young age in us all; it can go this way or that way...let’s call it 21..as i am uncertain if i can type more on this one(mod advice).
Despite it being of huwman nature.

I am a handsome slipped loon (3cats-hence a real loon; no one of em kid on made up ones), so i typically wear them, oi slippers, not cats(who eat me out of house and home and spawn kittens and get hit with cars - that's the vets favorite that one), and sandals.....my feet, and that intriguing big toe anomaly(fungal) cannot be bound....

So, with but a simple statement - it can be expanded with meaning and context.

I may wish to bind someone to the bed, metal bed frame; minus mattress, or her neck with my belt and her eyes with my eyes, souls entwined. Now I admit I can barely tie shoe laces, and I have cuffed tied people to the bed frame in the distance past (you can never find real women these days) with cuffs, their stockings and so on. But rope work has no appeal to me…I would rather peer at eyes, and by default peoples souls truly work of art in so many ways.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/29/2014 1:24:23 PM

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Rope bondage is designed to put the bottom into a state of mind, sometimes referred to as subspace, but which is much more varied than that. Bondage can induce shame in the bottom, evoke deeply rooted memories of past forms of mental and physical torment, suggest cultural and aesthetic connections with other forms of artistic expression, and even just be plain erotic. For the top, seeing the bottom struggle and cry and transform herself due to the trappings of his unique designed rope patterns is aesthetically satisfying, psychologically fascinating and erotically pleasurable.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/29/2014 8:39:22 PM

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I don't know why you feel bondage induces shame and causes a person to feel objectified. None of that is true for me. Bondage is freeing and very arousing. He enjoys seeing me tied up in a tie that he's worked on to get just right and have me orgasm from just the tie.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/29/2014 8:46:22 PM

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Within a Japanese context, shame is referred to all the time as one of the fundamental purposes of shibari.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/30/2014 6:54:12 PM

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Really? News to me. That wasn't mentioned at all at the shibari workshop we attended last year. By either the American man who taught it or his Japanese wife who was his bondage model.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/31/2014 10:34:47 AM

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Its not surprising Shibari found its way into BDSM. Shibari though, was never a part of BDSM before some people found it and adopted it. This is why so many people who love bondage, won’t ever really get what Shibari is all about.

The Japanese tie up everything, from parcels and packages to kimonos. They tied up prisoners of war to shame them and they tie up beautiful women to adorn them. Its a meditative practice just like Japanese ink paintings (Sumi-e) and tea ceremonies (Chanoyu).

I prefer the word Kinbaku. Shibari is more about technique, Kinbaku is the overall journey. The intense communication between the ropes, the person it adorns and its master. Its about the flexibility of the ropes and the body. The roughness of the ropes against the velvet of the flesh. The final outcome is an expression of beauty and one that has been used by the Chinese for many centuries.

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RE: A question about rope... - 8/31/2014 1:16:18 PM

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I meant Japanese!!

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RE: A question about rope... - 9/5/2014 12:42:34 AM

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quote:

I'm curious how the act of being tied (in a complicated setting like that) makes you feel submissive to someone (or dominant over someone)?
Is this just a situation where power dynamics and labels don't really fit in? Or am I missing a fundamental part of this?

The act of tying up Star does not make me feel dominant any more than using a paint brush and canvas would make me feel as if I am an artist. I am therefore I do.

Shibari, as practiced by those who I have seen to be masters of the art, is just that and so they take pride in an elaborate and beautiful rope adornment they perfect in public and in private, some of these suspend the subject in a way making them unavailable for any other use other than display, which was the point I could see and I understood from talking with some of these artists in live sessions.

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RE: A question about rope... - 9/5/2014 3:44:54 PM

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Kinbaku however is about way more then just rope bondage.

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