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PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:57:27 AM)
quote: You can twist the words to be as pretty as you want but it will still be rape. You can say they mentally abused these kids until they looked at their captors as boyfriends and it will still be rape. But I am not a bit surprised. You always did seem to be a lot better at spotting evil when it's happening across the pond. You're missing the point by a mile, THB. "Grooming" in this sense doesn't connote something 'softer'. If anything, quite the opposite. Nobody this side of the pond would see it that way. The word conveys the peculiarly repulsive process of the 'seduction' of the victims that is involved. Don't let's screw up this thread because of an unfamiliar term.

Zonie63 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 7:22:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom But that wasn't the main driver, because it was more disbelief: "Father John didn't do that to you; stop imagining such filthy thoughts." Nor can you blame Christianity or Catholicism per se. You can blame the desire to "protect" the reputation of the Church and call out the evil of the many bishops and cardinals (e.g., Cardinal Bernard Law) who knew what was going on but simply reassigned priests to other parishes. But who protects this reputation? Who are these disbelievers who would say "Father John didn't do that to you"? I've seen this happen quite a bit whenever accusation of some "authority" (whether it's the police, military, government, church, big business, etc.) is made. Back in the day, we used to "question authority," but nowadays, too many people fall all over themselves to protect authority. There are too many people among the masses with waaaaay too much faith in authority, and that's how these things happen. quote: Rotherham is different. It is the sign of a decaying society lacking the balls to stand up to terror. It is the direct consequence of political correctness gone mad. I would say it comes down to the same thing. With so many people dedicated and committed to their faith in authority, while condemning and ostracizing anyone who challenges that authority using tactics of fear and ridicule, stifles any opposition and willingness to speak out. It's not that people lack the balls to stand up to terror. They lack the balls to stand up to authority. And in this case, it seems that even the authorities lacked the balls, yet people are led to believe that the police are on the job, enforcing the law and protecting society. There's nothing about so-called "political correctness" which says that those who are guilty of crimes should not be arrested or punished. quote: It is the direct consequence of making Islam the first protected religion. The Mormon Church takes out ads in the playbill for The Book of Mormon. Catholics marched in protest of Piss Christ. Muslims kill when there is a cartoon of their fucking pedophile "prophet." And they demand special, sharia-based rights, halal food ONLY in the schools, barring of "indecent" clothing by others, etc. They demand and are given special dispensations due to fear of violence. And so now you have the most repellent, the most shameful, the most disgusting cashing in of that political correctness. Muslim savages destroying the lives of innocent children while the police ignore the reports. This in no way minimizes the tens of thousands of children whose lives were destroyed by pedophile priests -- it points out the causes were different and the solutions different. The solution here is simple. No special rights for Muslims anywhere. None. You (meaning not "you," but an random Muslim) don't like it if I don't eat halal food? Well, go fuck yourself. No other religion would demand or ever get such special dispensations, because no other religion operates purely out of bullying, terror and fear. Eliminate all special rights for Muslims, and lock up the pedophiles for ever. Better to put them in a pyre and burn them, but apparently that's not an option today. I agree with eliminating "special rights" for any group. But by the same token, I don't agree with any "special condemnations" in which an entire group is blamed for the actions of only some of its members. The Catholic Church priest pedophile scandal was an atrocity, yet that doesn't mean I would say things like "Catholic savages." There are some in the Church's history who operated on bullying, terror, and fear, and in various countries, they have received special dispensations. But that doesn't necessarily reflect on every single individual who happens to be Catholic. Just as with Muslims, some are savages, but most are not.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 7:36:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom But that wasn't the main driver, because it was more disbelief: "Father John didn't do that to you; stop imagining such filthy thoughts." Nor can you blame Christianity or Catholicism per se. You can blame the desire to "protect" the reputation of the Church and call out the evil of the many bishops and cardinals (e.g., Cardinal Bernard Law) who knew what was going on but simply reassigned priests to other parishes. But who protects this reputation? Who are these disbelievers who would say "Father John didn't do that to you"? I've seen this happen quite a bit whenever accusation of some "authority" (whether it's the police, military, government, church, big business, etc.) is made. Back in the day, we used to "question authority," but nowadays, too many people fall all over themselves to protect authority. There are too many people among the masses with waaaaay too much faith in authority, and that's how these things happen. quote: Rotherham is different. It is the sign of a decaying society lacking the balls to stand up to terror. It is the direct consequence of political correctness gone mad. I would say it comes down to the same thing. With so many people dedicated and committed to their faith in authority, while condemning and ostracizing anyone who challenges that authority using tactics of fear and ridicule, stifles any opposition and willingness to speak out. It's not that people lack the balls to stand up to terror. They lack the balls to stand up to authority. And in this case, it seems that even the authorities lacked the balls, yet people are led to believe that the police are on the job, enforcing the law and protecting society. There's nothing about so-called "political correctness" which says that those who are guilty of crimes should not be arrested or punished. quote: It is the direct consequence of making Islam the first protected religion. The Mormon Church takes out ads in the playbill for The Book of Mormon. Catholics marched in protest of Piss Christ. Muslims kill when there is a cartoon of their fucking pedophile "prophet." And they demand special, sharia-based rights, halal food ONLY in the schools, barring of "indecent" clothing by others, etc. They demand and are given special dispensations due to fear of violence. And so now you have the most repellent, the most shameful, the most disgusting cashing in of that political correctness. Muslim savages destroying the lives of innocent children while the police ignore the reports. This in no way minimizes the tens of thousands of children whose lives were destroyed by pedophile priests -- it points out the causes were different and the solutions different. The solution here is simple. No special rights for Muslims anywhere. None. You (meaning not "you," but an random Muslim) don't like it if I don't eat halal food? Well, go fuck yourself. No other religion would demand or ever get such special dispensations, because no other religion operates purely out of bullying, terror and fear. Eliminate all special rights for Muslims, and lock up the pedophiles for ever. Better to put them in a pyre and burn them, but apparently that's not an option today. I agree with eliminating "special rights" for any group. But by the same token, I don't agree with any "special condemnations" in which an entire group is blamed for the actions of only some of its members. The Catholic Church priest pedophile scandal was an atrocity, yet that doesn't mean I would say things like "Catholic savages." There are some in the Church's history who operated on bullying, terror, and fear, and in various countries, they have received special dispensations. But that doesn't necessarily reflect on every single individual who happens to be Catholic. Just as with Muslims, some are savages, but most are not. But part of the problem is this...where are the VOICES of this disapproving majority of Muslims...protesting this abomination? Silent for the absolutely greatest part...just as they are when one of that minority portion beheads an infidel American. Instead, we get Imam A. Charoudy telling us that "the Caliphate" is just around the corner from us and then Sharia law will take care of everything.

AQRMZ -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 8:38:26 AM)
well if I was a "good" muslim I would shut up too, cause good catholics don't get beheaded by bad catholics. muslims do behead musllims and they do other stuff to them too. So I do not see any reasonable answer for all this craizieness with muslims in the world, do you?

Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 9:52:15 AM)
so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best.

Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 10:45:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best. Who doesn't know they had to reinvent airport security on account of Catholic nuns

CreativeDominant -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:00:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best. tell you what Lucy...bring us the video of the Christian beheading of a Muslim. Bring us the Christian offer of the exchange of a Muslim being held captive for money from the country of origin of the Muslim captive. Bring us the video of a mainline Christian church leader stating that there can be no peace until some country who holds Islam as their culture is wiped off the face of the earth.

Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:04:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Dwarf. I am more surprised at you than the wanker you replied to. You at least should know that this is only a small minority of the Muslims in the UK. I'm sure that's true. But I'm equally sure that Rotherham is only the tip of the iceberg. If this has been going on there, it's been going on elsewhere as well. Rotherham is just one small city in South Yorkshire. In 2001, forty-three per cent of the Muslims in England were Pakistani. Although widely distributed, they were found to be concentrated in Greater London, Lancashire, West Midlands, and (surprise) Yorkshire. But this kind of activity isn't limited to those areas, and Rotherham is nothing new. Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have apologised for not bringing the case of the first victim, Girl A, to trial following her cry for help in August 2008. Their failure to do so, which left the paedophiles free to sexually abuse their subsequent victims, has been attributed to the police's *fear of being branded racist. ~Source* K.

Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:10:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best. Who doesn't know they had to reinvent airport security on account of Catholic nuns Typical that you would forget security measures brits went thru for the ira bombers in the 70s and 80s. That the problem s of german terrorists and spanish caused.

Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:17:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best. tell you what Lucy...bring us the video of the Christian beheading of a Muslim. Bring us the Christian offer of the exchange of a Muslim being held captive for money from the country of origin of the Muslim captive. Bring us the video of a mainline Christian church leader stating that there can be no peace until some country who holds Islam as their culture is wiped off the face of the earth. Just video?

Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:27:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best. Who doesn't know they had to reinvent airport security on account of Catholic nuns Typical that you would forget security measures brits went thru for the ira bombers in the 70s and 80s. That the problem s of german terrorists and spanish caused. Who could forget that The UK is the center of the universe after all

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:32:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom I agree with much of what you say, but of course no amount of sorting will ever restore the innocence of the abused. I have no doubt you would agree. You can't change the past. The state should provide counseling to all the victims and ensure that there is no psychologist or social worker who talks to them about "respecting the differences in Muslim culture." And unless what you suggest is done instead of there being spineless obeisance to political correctness, it will happen again. Look at the "no-go" police zones in the suburbs of Paris. Unfortunately, once the innocence is lost, it can never be recovered. I think those that survived the ordeal have received quite a bit of counseling. The problem is, all those do-gooders in the social services will inherently (by order from above) be forced to play on the "respect the differences in Muslim culture" because of political pressure and to not rock the Islamic boat. Personally, I think all Muslims should be told categorically that underage sex, forced marriages, and honour killing will not be tolerated here. Hope springs eternal. {sigh} Dwarf. I am more surprised at you than the wanker you replied to. You at least should know that this is only a small minority of the Muslims in the UK. How small is 'small' PS?? And how many Muslim families do you know that actually live the same way that we do? I lived just outside Bradford for 3 years. I lived in the northwest area of Peterborough (predominantly Muslim/Pakistani) for a few years too. Where I live now is a mixture of Muslims and Poles. I cannot think of one single family/person that lives like we do in our country. Pretty much all of them, although by no choice of their own, follow our laws - but only secondary to their own. Sharia courts have been setup in the UK all over the place despite being declared illegal here. For most Muslims (at least the ones I know or have met), Sharia law and religious followings come way before any English law - and I also have that from a Muslim lady solicitor that deals with these cases!! How many more 'honour' killings will we hear of when it is obvious that it is not tolerated here? Arranged marriages are still rife. So much so that even if girls are forced into marriage abroad, the perpetrators can be prosecuted here and the marriage dissolved. The current Rotherham fiasco just shows how the Pakistani/Muslim males think that girls from aged 8 or 9 are fair game because it is normal/allowed in their culture/religion which is why they don't see anything wrong in that practice. Just the same with arranged marriages and honour killings - it is 'normal' within their society. Rotherham isn't the only scandal and yes, social services and police are advised not to rock the Muslim boat when it comes to reporting, prosecuting, and counseling of victims. I'm appalled to say that we are hearing more and more of this sort of shit happening every day. I think you'll find it is far more prevalent than the media and politicians would have us believe. ETA: 'like we do', as in, the British way of life compared to a Pakistani/Muslim way of life where they put the laws and customs of the country they live in above their own personal religion/culture. So far, I've not met one, not a single person or family, that does this; Muslim religion/culture trump all of our laws and customs.

Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:48:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so are you saying that "christian peoples" dont have people who behead others ? really??? what about stabbing? poison, gas, shooting, batter, dismember, beat, rape, torture, mass murder others of the same "christian peoples"? we have seen on this site in the past few weeks, the number of people who justify deaths of supposed "thugs" most of them have some religious affiliation or are actually in what is described as a "christian" country. Tunnel vision at best. Who doesn't know they had to reinvent airport security on account of Catholic nuns Typical that you would forget security measures brits went thru for the ira bombers in the 70s and 80s. That the problem s of german terrorists and spanish caused. Who could forget that The UK is the center of the universe after all Cherry picking proves your ignorance of reality

Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 11:59:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Cherry picking proves your ignorance of reality "Cherry picking" quote: security measures brits went thru for the ira bombers in the 70s and 80s. That the problem s of german terrorists and spanish caused.

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 12:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi You can twist the words to be as pretty as you want but it will still be rape. You can say they mentally abused these kids until they looked at their captors as boyfriends and it will still be rape. But I am not a bit surprised. You always did seem to be a lot better at spotting evil when it's happening across the pond. You really should check the law before spouting off, once again you are making yourself look stupid. In the UK it is only automatically rape if the boy or girl is under 13. The majority of girls were between 13 and 15, hence the charge. Some offences were prior to the 2003 when the definition was changed. As for spotting evil across the pond, you are a fucking liar. I have pointed it out both sides of the pond and even in Iraq I have said i blaame Blair more than Bush for our involvement. Dont let that stop you making shit up though.

thompsonx -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 12:24:47 PM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata No matter, the point has been made. In America kids die in firearms accidents. In the UK they keep them alive to rape, so as not to offend. Such humanity is awe inspiring. Clearly we have a long way to go before we'll be anywhere near as civilized. Clearly you have mistated the case...why? Yes, I admit it was prickish. This sort of thing is really beneath you

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 12:26:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 How small is 'small' PS?? And how many Muslim families do you know that actually live the same way that we do? I lived just outside Bradford for 3 years. I lived in the northwest area of Peterborough (predominantly Muslim/Pakistani) for a few years too. Where I live now is a mixture of Muslims and Poles. I cannot think of one single family/person that lives like we do in our country. Pretty much all of them, although by no choice of their own, follow our laws - but only secondary to their own. Sharia courts have been setup in the UK all over the place despite being declared illegal here. For most Muslims (at least the ones I know or have met), Sharia law and religious followings come way before any English law - and I also have that from a Muslim lady solicitor that deals with these cases!! How many more 'honour' killings will we hear of when it is obvious that it is not tolerated here? Arranged marriages are still rife. So much so that even if girls are forced into marriage abroad, the perpetrators can be prosecuted here and the marriage dissolved. The current Rotherham fiasco just shows how the Pakistani/Muslim males think that girls from aged 8 or 9 are fair game because it is normal/allowed in their culture/religion which is why they don't see anything wrong in that practice. Just the same with arranged marriages and honour killings - it is 'normal' within their society. Rotherham isn't the only scandal and yes, social services and police are advised not to rock the Muslim boat when it comes to reporting, prosecuting, and counseling of victims. I'm appalled to say that we are hearing more and more of this sort of shit happening every day. I think you'll find it is far more prevalent than the media and politicians would have us believe. ETA: 'like we do', as in, the British way of life compared to a Pakistani/Muslim way of life where they put the laws and customs of the country they live in above their own personal religion/culture. So far, I've not met one, not a single person or family, that does this; Muslim religion/culture trump all of our laws and customs. In which case you walk around with your eyes shut. If you think that the majority of these types of cases were just carried out by Asians you are sadly misinformed. The figure in the link below shows it to be 38% carried out by white people and 25% by Asians. Before you spout of about more whites living in the UK, the figure only applies to street grooming and not individual cases otherwise taking place. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13957129 I am glad you lived outside Bradford, but dont think you are the only one who has lived alongside Asians etc. Thats just bollocks, more so as you kow I am a Londoner. I doubt very much if you actually took the time to make asian friends and it is no surprise you are going to vote UKIP. Out of some 2 million Asians, you cant think of one single family who lives as we do, ffs man, you are starting to sound like some of my antagonists on here.

thompsonx -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 12:27:57 PM)
ORIGINAL: truckinslave The (liberal) love affair with multiculturalism rests on the notion that all cultures are in every way equal. They are not. If you don't like the constitution of my country get the fuck out. The (liberal) love affair with hyper-tolerance of religion rests on the notion that all religions are in every way equal. They are not. If you do not like the constitution of my country get the fuck out. I have been crying in the wilderness that Islam is inherently, dogmatically antithetical to Western values for years. I have known others would drift towards my position over time. If you don't like the constitution of my country get the fuck out. There is a sizable faction of Islam that wants- no, demands- worldwide religious war. There is a sizable faction of christians that wants-no demands= world wide domination... Once again: If you do not like the constitution of my country get the fuck out.

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 12:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Dwarf. I am more surprised at you than the wanker you replied to. You at least should know that this is only a small minority of the Muslims in the UK. I'm sure that's true. But I'm equally sure that Rotherham is only the tip of the iceberg. If this has been going on there, it's been going on elsewhere as well. Rotherham is just one small city in South Yorkshire. In 2001, forty-three per cent of the Muslims in England were Pakistani. Although widely distributed, they were found to be concentrated in Greater London, Lancashire, West Midlands, and (surprise) Yorkshire. But this kind of activity isn't limited to those areas, and Rotherham is nothing new. Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have apologised for not bringing the case of the first victim, Girl A, to trial following her cry for help in August 2008. Their failure to do so, which left the paedophiles free to sexually abuse their subsequent victims, has been attributed to the police's *fear of being branded racist. ~Source* K. You do know that the Sunday Guardian isnt a UK paper K ?

Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 12:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 They have now found a form of love which they didnt get from their family. You are one sick motherfucker. K.

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