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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 8/31/2014 11:43:32 AM   
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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/2/2014 2:59:24 PM   
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Thank you.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/5/2014 9:36:01 PM   
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And NONE of that counters what I've told you nor supports what you have claimed.

Read it. NONE of it supports your arguments.


Except for the fact that what I highlight shows that Friedman himself was a proponent of inflation despite his one sentence in a span of decades of his life. He is best known for Keynes vs Friedman as any student of economics is very well aware. Except for the fact? It's not an issue in dispute. And I myself told you he's not a fan of Keynes. But that doesn't make him a supply sider -- and I've already cited him attacking it. THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE AND I CAN WHIP OUT ARTICLES FROM FORBES ABOUT KEYNES VS FRIEDMAN OR COUNTLESS ARTICLES IF YOU LIKE.
Your quote:
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"Inflation is always a monetary phenomenon" is the central tenet of Friedman's work. You can disagree with him if you like, but it's still his position. And it's why his economic philosophy is called Monetarism.


REALITY:
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During the 1960s, he promoted an alternative macroeconomic policy known as "monetarism". He theorized there existed a "natural" rate of unemployment and argued that governments could increase employment above this rate, e.g., by increasing aggregate demand, only at the risk of causing inflation to accelerate.

Reality -- yup. He did that. And that quote is not some isolated instance--it's the most famous thing he said. And your own link earlier includes it. A QUOTE AGAIN, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT YOU WERE INCORRECT IN YOUR DEFINITION AND UH, YEA...YOU'RE KIND OF CREEPING ME OUT NOW.

Your assertion is as unrealistic as saying Einstein claimed conventional education methods limited the thought process and creativity of an individual, which is one single sentence that is in no way applicable to his entire life and the fact he was a PROFESSOR AT PRINCETON. Also I highlighted what Friedman's economic theory was which is not remotely in the realm of what you asserted so case in point but it was your call to pointlessly argue semantics with someone who knows this stuff fairly well. But it's not my job to translate plain English to you if you choose to remain in utter denial.
It's not my assertion -- it's the core of Friedman's work. If you think he's unrealistic, take it up with him. It's not "semantics," but simply reality. You're certainly not "someone who knows this stuff fairly well" -- you're clueless. And your "translations" aren't even on the same topic. Talk about denial! Geez.<<<<LOL, WTF, READ WHAT FRIEDMAN'S WORK WAS BASED ON AND YOUR FAILED DEFINITION OF MONETARISM. YOU WERE DEBUNKED, GET A CLUE.

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In other words trying to understand this problem is like trying to wrap your head around global warming.


Global warming isn't that hard to understand, increased CO2 in the atmosphere (at its highest rate in 655,000 years, 97% of climatologists agree it is man made so not even worth debating) increases the production of methane at our hydrothermal vents and tectonic plate activity (which also has an effect on the earth's magnetic field but that's another story).
The methane gas released then traps heat in the atmosphere which creates a "greenhouse effect", this heat moves upward to the poles causing a melting of the polar ice caps...causing cold fronts to move southward. The mix of extreme heat (trapped in atmosphere which normally would be released beyond the ionosphere) combined with the cold fronts from the polar ice caps explains the increase in extreme weather.

None of this global warming stuff is mine. I can't imagine why you're quoting it as such.

They certainly don't make goddesses like they used to. Must be common core.



Except I discussed these things with students of economics,what was your major? As well as Wall Street stock brokers, unless you can tell me the current dynamic the market is facing or WHY COMMUNISM FAILS, I have extremely little to no interest in your nonsensical pointless rant that was debunked by printed fact. Good luck with reading up on all that. And I wasn't quoting it as such, but of course, you'd think your childish nit picking antics would cease, and yet it ensues. I'm sorry to keep you waiting sir, your table is ready and you have been debunked, over and over and over again.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 6:34:53 AM   
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But you're still not addressing any of the issues. I taught college economics for a decade, started my career on Wall St., went on to run my own management consulting firm. And trust me, just because someone is enrolled in a major doesn't mean they've mastered it, that they know the subject well (people do get Cs and Ds, you know), or that you understand the conversations with them.

I've cited my points well -- I didn't ask you to trust my opinion. You responded with posts unrelated to the topic at hand, and demonstrated an ignorance of even microeconomic and monetarism basics.

Huff and puff and stamp and pout, but you're simply wrong here, and I explained why. I even responded nicely at first, noting a single error--but you couldn't acknowledge even a single fault, and immediately went on your endless tantrum.

Wake up princess.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 3:51:28 PM   
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Musicmystery wrote in response to GoddessManko.

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But you're still not addressing any of the issues. I taught college economics for a decade, started my career on Wall St., went on to run my own management consulting firm. And trust me, just because someone is enrolled in a major doesn't mean they've mastered it, that they know the subject well (people do get Cs and Ds, you know), or that you understand the conversations with them.

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That's an impressive resume Musicmystery and you discuss your points with so little jargon. Refering to an earlier post of yours, post 36, I think income streams is also known as hustling.

In response what hlen5 wrote in post 40 the definition I am using is your capacity to be generous. Few businesses as I pointed out have the luxury to be generous and even fewer people. I see this as the cause for many of the worlds ills. We are forced to be self-concerned.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 6:57:36 PM   
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But you're still not addressing any of the issues. I taught college economics for a decade, started my career on Wall St., went on to run my own management consulting firm. And trust me, just because someone is enrolled in a major doesn't mean they've mastered it, that they know the subject well (people do get Cs and Ds, you know), or that you understand the conversations with them.

I've cited my points well -- I didn't ask you to trust my opinion. You responded with posts unrelated to the topic at hand, and demonstrated an ignorance of even microeconomic and monetarism basics.

Huff and puff and stamp and pout, but you're simply wrong here, and I explained why. I even responded nicely at first, noting a single error--but you couldn't acknowledge even a single fault, and immediately went on your endless tantrum.

Wake up princess.


Perfect online warrior. Then do tell. Why does communism fail? You have the floor, now strut your stuff and maybe I'll think you're not just trying to be facetious, and ineffective at it.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 7:30:45 PM   
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What the hell are you talking about now? Exactly when did the conversation turn to communism?

Check with your doctor -- your meds needs adjusting.


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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 7:36:09 PM   
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What the hell are you talking about now? Exactly when did the conversation turn to communism?

Check with your doctor -- your meds needs adjusting.




OK, so you can't answer, what a shock. This was not at all completely predictable. Move along now, you have been twice debunked. *eye roll and yawn*
Oh, and PS Mr Professor of Economics, communism ties into the OP, it's the ONLY WAY there would be a massive wealth allocation. That tip was for free, you're welcome.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 7:42:55 PM   
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What the hell are you talking about now? Exactly when did the conversation turn to communism?


Seems like a fair twist on the theme to me.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 8:13:27 PM   
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Why are so few people wealthy?

It's built into the definition of the word. We call the tiny percentage of the population with the most wealth, "wealthy". And so, only a few people are wealthy.
It's kind of like asking "why are so few people geniuses?"

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/6/2014 8:32:04 PM   
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You could say that there are smart monkeys and there are dumb monkeys, but to say this doesn't make monkeys smart. All in all monkeys are dumb.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/8/2014 3:06:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What the hell are you talking about now? Exactly when did the conversation turn to communism?

Check with your doctor -- your meds needs adjusting.




OK, so you can't answer, what a shock. This was not at all completely predictable. Move along now, you have been twice debunked. *eye roll and yawn*
Oh, and PS Mr Professor of Economics, communism ties into the OP, it's the ONLY WAY there would be a massive wealth allocation. That tip was for free, you're welcome.

Uh-huh. That's it. Sing it when you say it to yourself -- it will help you believe.

What are you -- six?

Recap -- I popped in to address your error about Friedman and monetarism.

You're welcome. You can stop the tantrum now.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/10/2014 11:25:41 AM   
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I would say he's a doctore who prescribes meds and is gettin high on his own supply. BM it used to be a natural fact few had the most, nowadays it's unnatural. Billions of dollars to compensate for small dick syndrome.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/10/2014 4:15:52 PM   
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I sense an agenda here, coming from an Econ professor. First, a minor quibble, I would place the modern supply side era at Kennedy's feet. He clearly understood (and spoke about) the drag of taxes on the economy. His tax cuts were a larger percentage of GDP than Reagan's. But to say "trickle down doesnt work" is wrong on two counts. "Trickle down" doesnt exist, except in the demand siders attempts to disparage supply side. Its name is the direct opposite of supply side theory. Second, the claim that supply side has been proven not to work is widely debated, and hardly an accepted conclusion. The fact is the economy has grown after every modern era tax cut.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/10/2014 7:12:49 PM   
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The issue was putting Friedman on the side of supply side economics. He wasn't, and I gave y'all the quote and link to him criticizing it.

Deny all you want, change the topic all you want, pretend all sorts of other things happened, but ... they didn't.


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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/13/2014 3:02:02 PM   
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It seems MM is into quantum physics.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/13/2014 3:50:01 PM   
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I sense an agenda here, coming from an Econ professor. First, a minor quibble, I would place the modern supply side era at Kennedy's feet. He clearly understood (and spoke about) the drag of taxes on the economy. His tax cuts were a larger percentage of GDP than Reagan's. But to say "trickle down doesnt work" is wrong on two counts. "Trickle down" doesnt exist, except in the demand siders attempts to disparage supply side. Its name is the direct opposite of supply side theory. Second, the claim that supply side has been proven not to work is widely debated, and hardly an accepted conclusion. The fact is the economy has grown after every modern era tax cut.



Impressive. *smirk*

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/13/2014 4:51:02 PM   
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...people think in terms of dollars per hour via labor employment and not in terms of income streams and marketable skills. When I was a teen, when you couldn't get jobs, you mowed lawns, painted houses, and so forth. You essentially started a small business.

And it's just that simple...despite all the yap flapping on this thread. Now, would you please explain it to the people who think they're going to get paid $15.00/hr. working at McDonald's?

Long live the neighborhood lemonade stand!

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/13/2014 9:41:12 PM   
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I sense an agenda here, coming from an Econ professor. First, a minor quibble, I would place the modern supply side era at Kennedy's feet. He clearly understood (and spoke about) the drag of taxes on the economy. His tax cuts were a larger percentage of GDP than Reagan's. But to say "trickle down doesnt work" is wrong on two counts. "Trickle down" doesnt exist, except in the demand siders attempts to disparage supply side. Its name is the direct opposite of supply side theory. Second, the claim that supply side has been proven not to work is widely debated, and hardly an accepted conclusion. The fact is the economy has grown after every modern era tax cut.


Except that there is no tax cut without a spending cut, they are only deferred to a later date for somebody else to pay...with interest.

In fact, a so-called tax cut without spending cuts is Keynesian and the modern fiscal corruption (adored by the banking cartel) perpetrated by the ruling class to convince the masses that hey, they can be so much better off now without any consideration of the future. A sort of fiscal child abuse.

Ask David Stockman, Reagan's premier economic adviser about supply side and he will most vehemently disagree with you.

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RE: Why are so few people wealthy? - 9/15/2014 10:30:58 AM   
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It is possible that poverty today is the direct consequence of over population? We rely heavily on progress saving the day.

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