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SadistDave -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/4/2014 1:41:20 AM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
In summary, because hate is wrong, you hate those who dislike the ideology that teaches its followers to tax, enslave or kill everyone who isn't of their ideology
So Islam teaches its adherents to "kill everyone who isn't of their ideology", or so Sanity assures us. One wonders how many Muslims carry out this religious obligation ....
There are c1.5 billion Muslims worldwide.
If just 1% of Muslims carried out this 'religious duty' on just one occasion every year, that would mean that c15, 000,000 'infidels' would die annually.
If just 1 Muslim in a million carried out their 'religious duty' just once per year, we could anticipate something like 1,500 infidels slaughtered annually for what Sanity describes as "the fatal sin of failing to convert to Islam".
I don't know exactly how many 'infidels' are slaughtered by Islamist extremists for "the fatal sin of failing to convert to Islam" annually but I do know that it is certain to be in the region of 1,500 rather than 15 million. We do know that such killings only occur in isolated pockets of the Muslim world, which, significantly, are almost always the location of concurrent political turmoil.
These figures suggest that:
if there is an actual 'religious duty' to kill infidels for "the fatal sin of failing to convert to Islam", it is ignored by more than 99.9% of the world's Muslims, and observed by something in the order of one Muslim in a million;
if there is an actual 'religious duty' to kill infidels for "the fatal sin of failing to convert to Islam", this duty is only enforced in areas where there is concurrent political upheaval.
But the most obvious conclusion to draw from the above is that there is no 'religious duty' to kill infidels for "the fatal sin of failing to convert to Islam", that this claim is hyperbolic rhetoric advanced by those with little or no understanding of Islam or its adherents. To put it simply in terms Sanity will understand, Sanity's claims have no basis in reality, they are total and absurd BS.
to this day I remember a night when I was a teenager, me and some friends were walking along and the bars were closing, a couple of guys were "escorting" AKA pushing a woman into a car she clearly didn't want to get in to. I said to my friends, shouldn't we do something? they all shook their heads and walked on, so did I. I don't know what happened to that woman, maybe the people putting her in that car were honestly helping her get home safe, maybe she was gang raped...
I do know this, at age 56 I still feel shame at not even yelling HEY leave that woman alone!
so 99.9% of muslems should feel SHAME at not at LEAST standing up and saying HEY STOP THAT!
one might rationalize that we were 4 stoned teenage boys against a bar full of drunk grown men and felt intimidated, but if we out numbered them. 99.9 to .01 our shame should be 99.9 times greater!
as for these people live in FEAR, I'll point out when they want to to topple a gov't, they show up by the 10's of thousands to speak up and participate
What utter gibberish!
I'll put the case as simply as possible for you:
IF there is a religious obligation on Muslims to kill non-believers, then there would piles of corpses littering the world as 1.5 billion Muslims carried out their obligations. There are no piles of corpses killed by Muslims because of their disinclination to adopt Islam. Therefore either:
The world's Muslims are non-observant; or
There is no religious obligation on Muslims to kill non-believers.
If you or any one else wants to assert that there is a religious obligation on Muslims to kill non believers you will need to tell us where the piles of corpses are. Unless you are able to produce evidence in the form of piles of corpses, it is impossible to take the claim seriously other than as compelling evidence of rampant Islamophobia in those advancing such an idiotic, ignorant claim
The first problem with this question is that there are, in fact, several Muslim groups in the world whose followers seem to believe that their religious beliefs give them a clear mandate to kill non-believers. Maybe you don't get world news in that backwards ass country you live in...
The second problem is that, as it turns out, there actually IS a pile of bodies representing the victims of Islam. The vast majority of them are other Muslims though, and the world seems to be sort of okay with that as long as it doesn't screw up someone else's political machinations.
This is an interesting read. Jihad is often carried out against other Muslims. Jihad means "the struggle", and operates 3 ways. It is used to keep the religion in tact, keep Muslim society operating according to Islam, and for holy wars against non-believers. If you don't want to wade through the article, this is the relvant passage.
As an ideology in the 20th century, only Communism, with its murder and mass killings, are responsible for more deaths and violence than is Islam.
As for what is written in the Quran and Hadith.... There are, in fact, mandates to kill non-believers in both. Both are also clear to state that not all Muslims are called to kill in the name of Allah. Denying these passages exist and are being used to incite extremists is pure foolishness.
-SD-
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