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How many they compared their survey to I don't care. You claimed it was 13 so I took your word for it. then you claimed 11 so I'll take your word for it and accept that you lied in the previous post.

You can't have taken my word for things I didn't say. But more interestingly, I uploaded the tables as attachments to the link I posted. You just never even bothered to look at them, running your mouth and making shit up instead. That's what makes you a clown act. If you don't like it, take off the suit.

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They did compare their terrible phone survey to other studies but...

You're making shit up again. I realize that slander is your automatic response when anything disagrees with you. But in reality, Kleck and Gertz is by every recognized standard a very well done piece of work (not that you would know anyway). Even Cook, Ludwig, and Hemmingway, who believe that the finding represents a "mythical number," acknowledge the quality of the study.

What distinguishes this remarkable statistic is the entirely respectable source and estimation method... the DGU estimate was calculated by researchers affiliated with a major research university... using widely accepted methods and published in a topflight, peer-reviewed criminology journal... our estimate, based on the NSPOF, is in the same ballpark as that propounded by Kleck and Gertz... Kleck and Gertz's DGU estimates do not appear to be artifacts of any particular computational or weighting decisions made in their analysis. If there is a problem here, it is intrinsic to the method. ~Source

This might be a good time for you to give some consideration to the First Law of Holes.

K.

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It's also common sense that you have to be 100 times more careful, cautious, and paranoid with a gun in the house than you do without one. This changes somewhat if you live alone and don't have guests over.

No that is the thinking of someone like my former mother in law who thought a gun sitting in a drawer could go off by it's self.

My! Some one actually objects to the statement that one has to be more careful with a gun in the house than without one. I'm still trying to think of a single possible reason why sane person would object to this statement, which reads like perfect common sense.

Gee BamaD! Nothing personal but with an attitude like yours I'm glad we aren't neighbours.

Objections like this make it easy to understand why many regard the pro-gun mania exhibited by some on these threads as similar to the insane rants of members of a deranged cult.

Come on now tweak you are too smart to take anything cloud says at face value aren't you?

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It's also common sense that you have to be 100 times more careful, cautious, and paranoid with a gun in the house than you do without one. This changes somewhat if you live alone and don't have guests over.

No that is the thinking of someone like my former mother in law who thought a gun sitting in a drawer could go off by it's self.

My! Some one actually objects to the statement that one has to be more careful with a gun in the house than without one. I'm still trying to think of a single possible reason why sane person would object to this statement, which reads like perfect common sense.

Gee BamaD! Nothing personal but with an attitude like yours I'm glad we aren't neighbours.

Objections like this make it easy to understand why many regard the pro-gun mania exhibited by some on these threads as similar to the insane rants of members of a deranged cult.

Come on now tweak you are too smart to take anything cloud says at face value aren't you?

The only thing I took at face value was your objection to the suggestion that people need to be more careful when there are guns about. I see you are trying hard to retreat from that position now (post 50). I can't say I am surprised - your original objection to people being more careful with guns about smacks of a knee jerk reaction, posted without thinking it through.

Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

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It's also common sense that you have to be 100 times more careful, cautious, and paranoid with a gun in the house than you do without one. This changes somewhat if you live alone and don't have guests over.

No that is the thinking of someone like my former mother in law who thought a gun sitting in a drawer could go off by it's self.

My! Some one actually objects to the statement that one has to be more careful with a gun in the house than without one. I'm still trying to think of a single possible reason why sane person would object to this statement, which reads like perfect common sense.

Gee BamaD! Nothing personal but with an attitude like yours I'm glad we aren't neighbours.

Objections like this make it easy to understand why many regard the pro-gun mania exhibited by some on these threads as similar to the insane rants of members of a deranged cult.

Come on now tweak you are too smart to take anything cloud says at face value aren't you?

The only thing I took at face value was your objection to the suggestion that people need to be more careful when there are guns about. I see you are trying hard to retreat from that position now (post 50). I can't say I am surprised - your original objection to people being more careful with guns about smacks of a knee jerk reaction, posted without thinking it through.

Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

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Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

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Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

Thats right. A country where they've made sure to have taken away one more thing that you poor citizens won't have to worry your pretty little heads about with all that terrible thinking about having to deal with consequences for using something for something other than self-defense, hunting or target-shooting. Better to let the government do that thinking for you.

As I...a gunowner...and other gun owners said at the start, this man got what he deserved.

He may have been fearful with that fear being fed by many factors...the hour of the day, the neighborhood, his own preconceived notions...but in the end, he was not defending himself.

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Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

Thats right. A country where they've made sure to have taken away one more thing that you poor citizens won't have to worry your pretty little heads about with all that terrible thinking about having to deal with consequences for using something for something other than self-defense, hunting or target-shooting. Better to let the government do that thinking for you.

As I...a gunowner...and other gun owners said at the start, this man got what he deserved.

He may have been fearful with that fear being fed by many factors...the hour of the day, the neighborhood, his own preconceived notions...but in the end, he was not defending himself.

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Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

Thats right. A country where they've made sure to have taken away one more thing that you poor citizens won't have to worry your pretty little heads about with all that terrible thinking about having to deal with consequences for using something for something other than self-defense, hunting or target-shooting. Better to let the government do that thinking for you.

As I...a gunowner...and other gun owners said at the start, this man got what he deserved.

He may have been fearful with that fear being fed by many factors...the hour of the day, the neighborhood, his own preconceived notions...but in the end, he was not defending himself.

What on earth are you prattlling on about? If you think that my relief at not having to calculate on a daily basis whether local gun owners are going to behave sanely and rationally has some connection to the "the government do[ing my] thinking" for me then your thinking must be very muddled indeed. It appears that you can only think in cliches and gun lobby talking points.

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I can appreciate that most gun owners will have little sympathy for the idiot in the OP, and act responsibly. The problem is that when the odd one doesn't, the consequences are often lethal, as the OP illustrates. The right to life surely trumps other rights.

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Of course if people react like this to a post they dislike, I have to wonder what their reaction could be when they are armed. Will they do their talking through their weapons or will they take a more measured view, think things through and act calmly? I'm glad I live in a place where there is strict gun control and I don't have to make these kinds of calculations

Thats right. A country where they've made sure to have taken away one more thing that you poor citizens won't have to worry your pretty little heads about with all that terrible thinking about having to deal with consequences for using something for something other than self-defense, hunting or target-shooting. Better to let the government do that thinking for you.

As I...a gunowner...and other gun owners said at the start, this man got what he deserved.

He may have been fearful with that fear being fed by many factors...the hour of the day, the neighborhood, his own preconceived notions...but in the end, he was not defending himself.

What on earth are you prattlling on about? If you think that my relief at not having to calculate on a daily basis whether local gun owners are going to behave sanely and rationally has some connection to the "the government do[ing my] thinking" for me then your thinking must be very muddled indeed. It appears that you can only think in cliches and gun lobby talking points.

I can appreciate that most gun owners will have little sympathy for the idiot in the OP, and act responsibly. The problem is that when the odd one doesn't, the consequences are often lethal, as the OP illustrates. The right to life surely trumps other rights.