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"The family of the victim have a right to keep that private"

That is a good point, but there is an easier way to censor things without anyone taking sides. If you don't want to know about something, put your head in the sand.. Okay, not literally, but if you aren't interested in which celebutantes are the latest to have nude selfies hacked, then don't watch Entertainment Tonight [or similar media] If you're not interested in which athletes are being arrested for whatever, don't read sports articles. Etc. If you are interested in what is happening in the Middle East, then go ahead, read about it. Just be careful not to talk openly about what you have read, unless you know the person you're talking with shares an interest

Ehh.. I think "free enterprise" doesn't exist the way it was meant to.. I mean look at restaurants and bars. They can get in trouble if they cook with trans fats, or serve hard liquor after a certain time, etc.. .. It's one thing to regulate restaurants so they are clean, but if people want to eat something like one of those "heart attack" burgers, then a person should be allowed to, while being informed of the risks.. .. In New York, there is the whole issue with selling soda!..

so if it was your father, brother or son that had been beheaded you wouldn't have any problem with the world watching someone you dearly loved being murdered over and over and over again on tv or on youtube, etc?

This is very difficult. Because people don't understand what evil is unless they can see it. How many people actually KNOW what goes in in North Korea's Gulag 22, for example? People joke about Kim Jong-un (and -il before him), but how many know the monstrosities? How many have ever read an HRW or Amnesty report on them or a book by an escapee? Now, imagine if a US President (ANY President -- Clinton, Bush, Obama) went on TV and explained what actually happened, how entire families, including children were imprisoned for life, tortured, starved, how they lucky get to eat rats and those caught are beaten or executed, how mothers who give birth watch their baby slaughtered in front of them and are themselves slaughtered if they display any emotion. So the evil is minimized. People think the Kims are a joke, a laughingstock. They barely know more than Dennis Rodman and this monstrous evil is right here in our midst. Now imagine instead if hundreds of millions of people knew and were repelled by this, as almost all certainly would be.

The same is true for ISIS. Yes, if your loved ones, it's horrible. But to hide what has happened or is happening is to make turn X-rated violence (not sex, just for pure horror and violence) into PG. And so people don't pay attention. The same thing happened with 9/11. If every American and every Brit and every European had to watch the planes going into the WTC and the people jumping out the windows to their death -- and had to watch this every year, do you think the complacency in the face of evil would be so great? The whole idea beyond stopping Holocaust Deniers is "never forget." And if it weren't for the photographs and the videos, how could we prove the Deniers are liars? It does no good to have these in an archive. Horrible though it is to have evil on display, it is more horrible when it is hidden because then no gives a damn and evil triumphs.

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To some degree though, shouldn't we know exactly who ISIS is? Where should the line be drawn with this sort of thing. And who should decide for us what we can see, or what we cannot see?

It might be different if they were innocent babes in the wood or something like that but these grown men deliberately placed themselves in harms way. They chose the spotlight in the danger zone, that was their whole point in going there. Be it NASCAR or pro rodeo or a reporter in this case a war zone, the participants know full well that cameras are rolling and shit happens all the time.

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No, those idjoits that want to see that vid understand very well what evil is, they just get some perverse kick out of seeing it.. just like people that slow down to gawk at a horrific car accident.. No one needs to see child porn to understand those that do that to children are evil, same with this vid.. to insist its your "right" to see it turns a horrific vid into "entertainment".. sick, sick, sick..

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No, those idjoits that want to see that vid understand very well what evil is, they just get some perverse kick out of seeing it.. just like people that slow down to gawk at a horrific car accident.. No one needs to see child porn to understand those that do that to children are evil, same with this vid.. to insist its your "right" to see it turns a horrific vid into "entertainment".. sick, sick, sick..

I didn't expect that some of you would become this emotional over the topic. Not meant as a put down by any means, I really am surprised.

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They stayed for the adrenalin rushes, and so they would have some great war stories to tell.

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They stayed for the adrenalin rushes, and so they would have some great war stories to tell.

Could you be any more obnoxious you prick. Sure, they knew the dangers and stayed anyway but your reasoning is sickening.

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.. emotional??? wtf? nice try at putting me down as an "emotional female" (how condescending, totally expected that you would try that tho ) but no, I am not emotional about it at all.. I just look at it from the view of if it was someone I loved, a family member I cared about and how devastating that persons murder would be, then to once again have that person victimized by the media and idjoits.. I look at it from the victim and his family's perspective (or my expectation of their perspective)..

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The fact remains many of those who turn to terrorism do so because of what they can see on the Internet.

Those who moan about freedom of speech are the first to shout "your not American why are you posting" They are also the first to moan when young men and women have turned to terrorism due to the influence of the web. I am pretty sure they would also piss and moan if other offensive material was freely available to view. terrorism needs to be stopped and if starving groups like ISIS of free publicity means censorship of sorts, so be it. Rather that than having to stick boots on the ground.

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.. emotional??? wtf? nice try at putting me down as an "emotional female" (how condescending, totally expected that you would try that tho ) but no, I am not emotional about it at all.. I just look at it from the view of if it was someone I loved, a family member I cared about and how devastating that persons murder would be, then to once again have that person victimized by the media and idjoits.. I look at it from the victim and his family's perspective (or my expectation of their perspective)..

No, I am so sorry, you're not emotional...

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I don't "moan" about free speech Polite. I stand up and will load my guns over it, if it comes down to that. Don't project your sniveling bitch approach to life onto me. And since ISIS is an international sort of issue, not a matter of you sticking your nose into the domestic politics of a nation you don't live in, but that makes you feel inadequate, flap your lips to your hearts content.

Let's compare, though. You live in a country that will lock people up for saying bad things about the protected (or even leave the protected free to rape children to avoid the appearance of saying bad things) and according to a report I saw the other day, there are more British muslims fighting among the jihadists than there are serving in the British armed forces. Ya'll must be getting something wrong in there, somewhere.

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I don't "moan" about free speech Polite. I stand up and will load my guns over it, if it comes down to that. Don't project your sniveling bitch approach to life onto me. And since ISIS is an international sort of issue, not a matter of you sticking your nose into the domestic politics of a nation you don't live in, but that makes you feel inadequate, flap your lips to your hearts content.

Let's compare, though. You live in a country that will lock people up for saying bad things about the protected (or even leave the protected free to rape children to avoid the appearance of saying bad things) and according to a report I saw the other day, there are more British muslims fighting among the jihadists than there are serving in the British armed forces. Ya'll must be getting something wrong in there, somewhere.

Did I touch a nerve Rich. You speak of a snivelling bitch approach as if it somehow doesnt exist in your snidey posts. You claim to be a free speech kind of guy and I agree, you surely are that, but ONLY if the poster you are talking to agrees with you. Do you really think those of us living outside of the US are not allowed to have a view on a nine year old girl being allowed to use an Uzi, or a woman knocking on a door for help being shot through that very same door ? Do you think that Americans can spout off about overseas issues of the day but no one outside of the US has the same rights. Do you have proof we lock people up for saying things about "The protected" (sounds like a racist code word to me). Do you ever wonder why not many Muslims are in the British Army, do you not realise it may just have something to do with Bush and Blairs military adventures into Iraq etc.

Nope, none of the above matter, you just spout off because you are full of your own piss and importance.

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Sounds like Rich is the one who hit the nerve. Maybe you should switch to decaf for a while.

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Sounds like Rich is the one who hit the nerve. Maybe you should switch to decaf for a while.

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~FR~

I have no interest in watching something like that. None.

Nor do I think terrorists have any right to readily distribute their message.

Yeah, there will be whining about censorship and slippery slopes. Get over it. They're terrorists, not citizens, and helping them with their marketing isn't helpful.