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BamaD -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 5:57:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: The slaughter was neither begun nor condoned by the Catholic church. Didn't some priests and nuns actually take part? I know at least one nun was convicted. What did the church do to prevent/halt the genocide? quote: It was solely the product of ancient tribal rivalries, those poly-theists that Marc is so in love with. Were the members of these ancient tribes "secularists"? Don't most ancient tribes have deeply held religious beliefs? Even if you believe that they still followed the ancient religions what does that do to Marc's insistence that poly-thieists don't do this sort of thing. What did anyone do to stop it? Nothing Where were your concerned secularists then they are more guilty than the Catholics, it was the lack of religious belief that made them think it was ok. How about China running over people with tanks for a sit in, real religious bunch there. So we have Communists smashing people with tanks, Cambodians shooting people for owning glasses, and Moslems selling people in to the sex slave trade for not being of the right religion, but the left wingers want to talk about Christians objecting to paying for abortions.

cavtrooper -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 6:07:35 PM)
I am calling you out as being dishonest because you comments are just that. I don't care about getting any respect from someone that is as blatantly dishonest as you are. You are a hypocrite in that you want rights for certain groups but you feel that any group that has different views than your own shouldn't have the rights you are demanding for others. You even go so far as to want to deny them of their rights. You make claims in support of your opinions that on their face are just short of outright lies. Your views and opinions have no credibility as far as I am concerned. All you have done is demean people for having different viewpoints than yours in this thread and make claims about groups that are completely incorrect.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 6:29:01 PM)
quote: Well done Marc for exposing the OP for what it is, and for your tireless efforts on this thread. I don't expect any of your arguments will sway the opinions of people you have been countering, but what's that saying? The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Maybe a new thread is needed, along the lines of "I'm a right wing Christian and I hate fucking Muslims" and then they can have a little dark corner of their own to spread hate and fear in Thanks. I am starting to get that headache, though. You know, the one you get from banging your head into the wall over and over.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 6:57:44 PM)
quote: So you are being stupid as well as bigoted. The point was we hear that not agreeing with your ilk is a "war on women" but they don't want to talk about these atrocities. You have proven that with every post. Not counting cases where someone is directly quoting someone else . . . I count six uses of the phrase "war on women." Post 1 by Aylee. Post 15 by Aylee. Post 19 by Politesub53 Post 25 by The Heretic Post 30 by SubrosaDom Post 55 by BamaD Seven uses if you count Post 18 by Catpooper (who rephrases it as "war on women's rights"). Out of all of those Posters I think only one, Politesub53, could be considered liberal and none, you shall note, are me . . . or my ilk. Who are my ilk, anyway? We have not been properly introduced. quote: those poly-theists that Marc is so in love with. You're doing it again, making a false presumption. How does criticizing monotheistic religions automatically translate to being "in love" with polytheists? Why is everything an IF/Then/Or statement with you? quote: The fact that you deny being a bit proves nothing, I have had the misfortune of talking to several Klansmen, not one of whom considered themselves to be the least bit biased. I don't have to prove anything. You do. You are the one making the assertion, therefore the burden of proof is on you. Why are you worrying about Klansman? Don't you know there are Muslims running around beheading people and enslaving girls? Quit trying to derail the thread.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 6:59:35 PM)
quote: I am calling you out as being dishonest because you comments are just that. I don't care about getting any respect from someone that is as blatantly dishonest as you are. You are a hypocrite in that you want rights for certain groups but you feel that any group that has different views than your own shouldn't have the rights you are demanding for others. You even go so far as to want to deny them of their rights. You make claims in support of your opinions that on their face are just short of outright lies. Your views and opinions have no credibility as far as I am concerned. All you have done is demean people for having different viewpoints than yours in this thread and make claims about groups that are completely incorrect. You presume too much and you think too highly of yourself.

dcnovice -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 7:09:36 PM)
quote: Even if you believe that they still followed the ancient religions what does that do to Marc's insistence that poly-thieists don't do this sort of thing. What did anyone do to stop it? Nothing Where were your concerned secularists then they are more guilty than the Catholics, it was the lack of religious belief that made them think it was ok. How about China running over people with tanks for a sit in, real religious bunch there. So we have Communists smashing people with tanks, Cambodians shooting people for owning glasses, and Moslems selling people in to the sex slave trade for not being of the right religion, but the left wingers want to talk about Christians objecting to paying for abortions. None of this ranting--sorry, but that's what it is--comes anywhere close to answering my questions.

dcnovice -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 7:11:15 PM)
quote: very first post on collaspace If indeed it is. [;)]

cavtrooper -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 7:16:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b You presume too much and you think too highly of yourself. You might try looking in the mirror. The problem is that you will never admit that you are exactly what you are accusing me of.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 7:22:40 PM)
quote: If indeed it is. [;)] The thought occurred but absent proof I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt . . . even to catpoopers.

BamaD -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 7:41:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: If indeed it is. [;)] The thought occurred but absent proof I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt . . . even to catpoopers. Is that picture Vlad the Impaler?

BamaD -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 7:46:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies Well done Marc for exposing the OP for what it is, and for your tireless efforts on this thread. I don't expect any of your arguments will sway the opinions of people you have been countering, but what's that saying? The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Maybe a new thread is needed, along the lines of "I'm a right wing Christian and I hate fucking Muslims" and then they can have a little dark corner of their own to spread hate and fear in You will get a bigger response wiyh one on how all open minded people hate Christians.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 8:07:46 PM)
quote: Is that picture Vlad the Impaler? What picture. My Avatar? That's a Gauguin self portrait. quote: You will get another one on how all open minded people hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate any group. Not hating someone does not mean you never criticize them or vote against them or take precautions against potential violence if the group in question is prone to such. Do not confuse anger and concern with hatred. I have and will continue to criticize Christians (or any religion for that matter) who invoke God as a justification for restricting people's rights. This does not mean I hate them.

cavtrooper -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 8:20:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b Open minded people do not hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate any group. Not hating someone does not mean you never criticize them or vote against them or take precautions against potential violence if the group in question is prone to such. Do not confuse anger and concern with hatred. I have and will continue to criticize Christians (or any religion for that matter) who invoke God as a justification for restricting people's rights. This does not mean I hate them. You should try being an open minded person for a change. I will continue to criticize people like you who try to restrict people's right because they disagree with them. You may want to work on how you express yourself, since what you are posting is anger and hatred.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 8:24:30 PM)
Whenever I read the title of this thread I always hear it in the voice of the chick who asked pink of he wanted to take a bath. That probably means that it is getting close to my bed time.

BamaD -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/7/2014 8:52:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: Is that picture Vlad the Impaler? What picture. My Avatar? That's a Gauguin self portrait. quote: You will get another one on how all open minded people hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate any group. Not hating someone does not mean you never criticize them or vote against them or take precautions against potential violence if the group in question is prone to such. Do not confuse anger and concern with hatred. I have and will continue to criticize Christians (or any religion for that matter) who invoke God as a justification for restricting people's rights. This does not mean I hate them. But their only sin is that they disagree with you. You have the right to vote against them but that does not make them evil. As for your contention that Christians are prone to violence BS Bigots never consider themselves to be such, like you they are just convinced that they know the truth and those who disagree are just too blind or stupid to understand.

Politesub53 -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/8/2014 3:52:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: The slaughter was neither begun nor condoned by the Catholic church. Didn't some priests and nuns actually take part? I know at least one nun was convicted. What did the church do to prevent/halt the genocide? quote: It was solely the product of ancient tribal rivalries, those poly-theists that Marc is so in love with. Were the members of these ancient tribes "secularists"? Don't most ancient tribes have deeply held religious beliefs? You are banging your head against a wall DC, I fear you will never break through. His use of the word "secularist" leaves much to be desired. The one thing that gets me here is the double standard used by the right. It is as if crimes against women dont happen anywhere else but in Islamic nations. Still, although I am an atheist I will play nice and send my right wing friends a dictionary and an encyclopdia for Christmas. My guess is that like many babies they will ignore the books and play with the wrapping paper.

Politesub53 -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/8/2014 4:16:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Even if you believe that they still followed the ancient religions what does that do to Marc's insistence that poly-thieists don't do this sort of thing. What did anyone do to stop it? Nothing Where were your concerned secularists then they are more guilty than the Catholics, it was the lack of religious belief that made them think it was ok. How about China running over people with tanks for a sit in, real religious bunch there. So we have Communists smashing people with tanks, Cambodians shooting people for owning glasses, and Moslems selling people in to the sex slave trade for not being of the right religion, but the left wingers want to talk about Christians objecting to paying for abortions. How about talking about Christians involved in child abuse, or the sex trade, or sex tourism to Asia. FFS the whole argument from the right seems to be, all Muslims are bad but we are not. How about talking about Pol Pot and Hitler being raised as good Catholics, or the links between Hitler and Pope Pius. How about Stalin who was raised to be a Catholic Priest and Revived the Russian Orthodox Church. How about realising that just as some Christians Muslims and Atheists and Budhists are arseholes, the majority are not. Its not fucking difficult.

Marc2b -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/8/2014 4:16:48 AM)
quote: But their only sin is that they disagree with you. You have the right to vote against them but that does not make them evil. As for your contention that Christians are prone to violence BS Bigots never consider themselves to be such, like you they are just convinced that they know the truth and those who disagree are just too blind or stupid to understand. Again, this time with emphasis on the parts that are apparently in your blind spot: Open minded people do not hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate any group. Not hating someone does not mean you never criticize them or vote against them or take precautions against potential violence if the group in question is prone to such. Do not confuse anger and concern with hatred. I have and will continue to criticize Christians (or any religion for that matter) who invoke God as a justification for restricting people's rights. This does not mean I hate them.

Politesub53 -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/8/2014 4:18:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b Again, this time with emphasis on the parts that are apparently in your blind spot: Open minded people do not hate Christians. Open minded people do not hate *any* group. Not hating someone does not mean you never criticize them or vote against them or take precautions against potential violence if the group in question is prone to such. Do not confuse anger and concern with hatred. I have and will continue to criticize Christians (or any religion for that matter) who invoke God as a justification for restricting people's rights. This does not mean I hate them. Good post Marc.

Sanity -> RE: Wanna buy a slave? (9/8/2014 4:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 How about talking about Christians involved in child abuse, or the sex trade, or sex tourism to Asia. FFS the whole argument from the right seems to be, all Muslims are bad but we are not. How about talking about Pol Pot and Hitler being raised as good Catholics, or the links between Hitler and Pope Pius. How about Stalin who was raised to be a Catholic Priest and Revived the Russian Orthodox Church. How about realising that just as some Christians Muslims and Atheists and Budhists are arseholes, the majority are not. Its not fucking difficult. Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they. But its all youve got for your goal to make things morally equivelant, which is an outrageous argument on your part. Child abuse etc is illegal in the west, prosecuted with extreme prejudice...

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