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thishereboi -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 6:42:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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Yes, conservatives are like liberals in having strange and weird ideas on how best to run government and society. Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. There really are a couple of crazy liberals; but its nothing compared to the throngs of conservatives that are not operating with a brain or exist in our reality.

Citation please. Because in the last year where I have gotten tons of checks from doctors and such about my mental and emotional health, not ONCE was I asked questions about my politics.


For someone that doesn't understand mental and emotional health, I'm not really surprised by your view. Did those doctors ask you directly about your political viewpoints? And then observe, over a decent period of time (say 4-6 weeks, of 1 day visits), how you act and react to events in the political sphere? No....because they are professional. If you thought you had a problem, you would visit a mental/emotion health professional (a general practice medical doctor can help if none exist in your area), whom would try to determine if what your saying and viewing is indeed just 'political thought' verse "the squirrels...the squirrels control the White House! They look at me from the kitchen window.....planning....plotting....". There is no way even a skilled therapist could determine in a dozen questions if you had a mental and/or emotional health problem. Unless they had some evidence to say something was wrong before hand.

Its estimated by many sources that the number of individuals suffering form Depression, for example, is twice the actual number. And that those not obtaining treatment are not aware of how the illness is effecting their daily lives. Could the illness effect their political views? And the answer is 'yes'; more of the negative than positive. How would a paranoid-schizophrenia person behave whom held conservative political views and own firearms (for a specific example), to something the President does, and to which the conservative media blows out of proportion (they LOVE doing that)? The one that has been diagnosis properly, with medication (if directed), and therapy would most likely not fly off into a rage. Can we say the same of the undiagnosed individual? An society will have to deal with the undiagnosed individual....after....they fly into a rage.

Here is something that could aid you in understanding.






I think she was asking for a link proving your claim that "Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. " and I have to admit I would love to see the study also.




thishereboi -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 6:59:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: maidheather

Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'


Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?




cloudboy -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 7:56:52 AM)


I've never heard that about charter schools either.




GotSteel -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 10:02:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I think she was asking for a link proving your claim that "Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. " and I have to admit I would love to see the study also.


Yes, I'd like to see that as well.




GotSteel -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 10:08:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Hey critical thinking is great and I wish a very significant portion of conservatives would learn how to do it however that's not the same thing as trolling for Jesus. The time to "teach the controversy" is when there's an actual scientific controversy.


And what uncontroversial science isn't being taught?

Geology, Cosmology and Biology all immediately come to mind as subjects that are being compromised by christian extremists for reasons which have nothing to do with science.


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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3
Catastrophic global warming caused by a human induced runaway greenhouse effect? Disproven.


It is? Why is it that climatologists overwhelmingly disagree with you?




maidheather -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 10:28:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.


I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: maidheather

Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'


Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?



It's not the original article I read (which went more in depth about the ideological history of the GOP of the last 50 years, particularly how they started off not caring one way or the other about abortion, and after the Brown v Board of Education case started really building the Christian Law component of the Republican Party. They even cite a report by UCLA (who was earlier described by subrosaDom as "run by Christian right-wing creationists who believe Obama is Satan incarnate")

http://www.alternet.org/story/154425/why_the_racist_history_of_the_charter_school_movement_is_never_discussed

Anyway, ask and ye shall receive.




mnottertail -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 10:42:06 AM)

Faux Nuze must be left leaning because it is owned by a nutsacker and a saudi prince.





GotSteel -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 12:52:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: maidheather
I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?


It's a matter of perspective, if someone is enough of a right wing extremest then Fox would be on their left.




DomKen -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 2:27:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: maidheather

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.


I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

Certain right wingers exist inside a bubble inside which they have a different reality from that which everyone else experiences. In the bubble there were WMD in Iraq, Saddam did commit 9/11, Obama was not born in the US and endless other crazy shit they've been told by the right wing media that no one sane would ever believe.




subrosaDom -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:02:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: maidheather

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.


I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: maidheather

Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'


Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?



It's not the original article I read (which went more in depth about the ideological history of the GOP of the last 50 years, particularly how they started off not caring one way or the other about abortion, and after the Brown v Board of Education case started really building the Christian Law component of the Republican Party. They even cite a report by UCLA (who was earlier described by subrosaDom as "run by Christian right-wing creationists who believe Obama is Satan incarnate")

http://www.alternet.org/story/154425/why_the_racist_history_of_the_charter_school_movement_is_never_discussed

Anyway, ask and ye shall receive.


I suggest you provide a QUOTE where I say "Fox news is left-leaning." What I actually said was that if you include ALL journalists, including those at Fox News, you get 95% who vote Democrat. That's a fact. You can'tn back up what you claim I said. Because you made it up. Retract that please. My comment on UCLA was, uh, SARCASM. In your face sarcasm. How that could be missed -- hmmm, perhaps you skipped those classes on critical thinking? ... of wait, there are no critical thinking classes in most schools, because it's more important to take "Gender identity in zombies and sexist memes: The semiotics of sex in The Walking Dead" -- hint: that's sarcasm, too, but there are plenty of courses very similar to that). Jesus, Lord, Almighty! UCLA is a left-wing paradise, like most of academia. Alternet is a left-wing, crazy-theory site.




subrosaDom -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:06:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Hey critical thinking is great and I wish a very significant portion of conservatives would learn how to do it however that's not the same thing as trolling for Jesus. The time to "teach the controversy" is when there's an actual scientific controversy.


And what uncontroversial science isn't being taught?

Geology, Cosmology and Biology all immediately come to mind as subjects that are being compromised by christian extremists for reasons which have nothing to do with science.


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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3
Catastrophic global warming caused by a human induced runaway greenhouse effect? Disproven.


It is? Why is it that climatologists overwhelmingly disagree with you?


http://online.wsj.com/articles/matt-ridley-whatever-happened-to-global-warming-1409872855 -- uh, they are struggling to explain the 17-year pause in global warming, plus the failure of climate models to accurately predict the temperature rise or to be even close. Leftists don't seem to like the historical record showing the Earth's climate naturally changes due to a variety of factors. Leftists are the ones behind vaccine denial. Teaching children that they should man destroys the planet is PC drivel.

Stop conflating all conservatives with Creationists. Plenty of conservatives, like me, aren't even religious. We love cosmology and all science. We don't ban discussions of global warming by labeling the many legitimate scientists "deniers" (as has the LA Times, among others, done).




Musicmystery -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:11:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


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ORIGINAL: maidheather

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.


I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: maidheather

Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'


Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?



It's not the original article I read (which went more in depth about the ideological history of the GOP of the last 50 years, particularly how they started off not caring one way or the other about abortion, and after the Brown v Board of Education case started really building the Christian Law component of the Republican Party. They even cite a report by UCLA (who was earlier described by subrosaDom as "run by Christian right-wing creationists who believe Obama is Satan incarnate")

http://www.alternet.org/story/154425/why_the_racist_history_of_the_charter_school_movement_is_never_discussed

Anyway, ask and ye shall receive.


I suggest you provide a QUOTE where I say "Fox news is left-leaning." What I actually said was that if you include ALL journalists, including those at Fox News, you get 95% who vote Democrat. That's a fact. You can'tn back up what you claim I said. Because you made it up. Retract that please. My comment on UCLA was, uh, SARCASM. In your face sarcasm. How that could be missed -- hmmm, perhaps you skipped those classes on critical thinking? ... of wait, there are no critical thinking classes in most schools, because it's more important to take "Gender identity in zombies and sexist memes: The semiotics of sex in The Walking Dead" -- hint: that's sarcasm, too, but there are plenty of courses very similar to that). Jesus, Lord, Almighty! UCLA is a left-wing paradise, like most of academia. Alternet is a left-wing, crazy-theory site.

Then you might want to cite a credible source for that "fact."




subrosaDom -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:11:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: maidheather

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.


I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

Certain right wingers exist inside a bubble inside which they have a different reality from that which everyone else experiences. In the bubble there were WMD in Iraq, Saddam did commit 9/11, Obama was not born in the US and endless other crazy shit they've been told by the right wing media that no one sane would ever believe.


Everyone thought WMD were in Iraq. The US, Clinton, Congress, the UK. There is some evidence some were moved to Syria. They have uncovered some old chemical weapons in Iraq recently. So it's not on Bush. It was faulty or poor intelligence. Just like our intelligence in Benghazi. Poor. Now, Ken, you do properly say "certain" right-wingers, not all. That's good. Because there is no evidence Saddam committed 9/11. Obama was born in the US, too. It is his policies that are anti-American, and pro Muslim Brotherhood. He needn't be a Muslim to be pro-Muslim and to have admitted terrorists in his admin, i.e., Muslim Brotherhood. Look, Noam Chomsky is American and if he were POTUS, he'd do similar things. So to focus on a birth certificate is stupid. I prefer to focus on actions. Which are appalling.

Now if you look at what the left-wing media says? God help us all. Insane, crazy shit all the time, some of which others and I have touched on in other posts. I leave it to others to gather further evidence should you so desire it. Fact is, there are fucking loons who are left-wing and right-wing. To assert the loons belong only to one political persuasion is fatuous.




GotSteel -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:27:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Everyone thought WMD were in Iraq. The US, Clinton, Congress, the UK. There is some evidence some were moved to Syria. They have uncovered some old chemical weapons in Iraq recently. So it's not on Bush. It was faulty or poor intelligence. Just like our intelligence in Benghazi. Poor.


Not so much:

1. he got codenamed curveball for a reason.

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ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29
Despite warnings from the German Federal Intelligence Service and the British Secret Intelligence Service questioning the authenticity of the claims, the US Government and British government utilized them to build a rationale for military action...


2. curveball's since admitted that he made up the whole thing.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war
Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.




DomKen -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:29:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: maidheather

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.


I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

Certain right wingers exist inside a bubble inside which they have a different reality from that which everyone else experiences. In the bubble there were WMD in Iraq, Saddam did commit 9/11, Obama was not born in the US and endless other crazy shit they've been told by the right wing media that no one sane would ever believe.


Everyone thought WMD were in Iraq. The US, Clinton, Congress, the UK. There is some evidence some were moved to Syria. They have uncovered some old chemical weapons in Iraq recently. So it's not on Bush. It was faulty or poor intelligence. Just like our intelligence in Benghazi. Poor. Now, Ken, you do properly say "certain" right-wingers, not all. That's good. Because there is no evidence Saddam committed 9/11. Obama was born in the US, too. It is his policies that are anti-American, and pro Muslim Brotherhood. He needn't be a Muslim to be pro-Muslim and to have admitted terrorists in his admin, i.e., Muslim Brotherhood. Look, Noam Chomsky is American and if he were POTUS, he'd do similar things. So to focus on a birth certificate is stupid. I prefer to focus on actions. Which are appalling.

Now if you look at what the left-wing media says? God help us all. Insane, crazy shit all the time, some of which others and I have touched on in other posts. I leave it to others to gather further evidence should you so desire it. Fact is, there are fucking loons who are left-wing and right-wing. To assert the loons belong only to one political persuasion is fatuous.


No. Everyone didn't think there were WMD in Iraq. The weapons inspectors said there weren't. If Bush, Cheney and the rest of the neo-cons had spread a few less lies maybe their voices would have been heard. And no there is no way anything crossed the Syrian border at Saddam's orders. the two Ba'ath parties were mortal enemies and would never cooperate. Just consider in the first Gulf War Saddam sent his fighters to Iran where he knew he would never get them back and sent none to Syria despite having just fought a bitter almost decade long war with Iran, who do you think he disliked more?

Case in point. There are no members of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Obama administration. The silly thing about that claim is its based on Hilary employing a US woman of Arab descent. It ignores the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is an incredibly misogynistic group and would never employ a woman as an agent and I really doubt they would ever have one of their own marry and have a child by a Jew as Huma Abedin did, for the monumentally clueless she is married to Anthony Wiener and they have a son together.

So maybe that punctured the bubble. Just a little.




maidheather -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:39:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
I suggest you provide a QUOTE where I say "Fox news is left-leaning." What I actually said was that if you include ALL journalists, including those at Fox News, you get 95% who vote Democrat. That's a fact. You can'tn back up what you claim I said. Because you made it up. Retract that please. My comment on UCLA was, uh, SARCASM. In your face sarcasm. How that could be missed -- hmmm, perhaps you skipped those classes on critical thinking? ... of wait, there are no critical thinking classes in most schools, because it's more important to take "Gender identity in zombies and sexist memes: The semiotics of sex in The Walking Dead" -- hint: that's sarcasm, too, but there are plenty of courses very similar to that). Jesus, Lord, Almighty! UCLA is a left-wing paradise, like most of academia. Alternet is a left-wing, crazy-theory site.


While I won't retract any of my statements, I will apologize for the misunderstanding on my part. I forgot that Fox News doesn't hire journalists (or if they do, not many). Same for the varied talking heads on the radio. So of course, they wouldn't skew a count of how journalists vote (which any reasonable journalistic ethics would tell you that it should have no bearing on their reporting capabilities). I will also apologize for misinterpreting your sarcasm as perceived fact. I have run into enough far right wing people that would make the exact same statements you did and mean them as fact, so I did miss that you were, in fact, being sarcastic. In regards to my post being from Alternet, I actually did see that claim coming when I made the post. The original article I read was much more centered, shared the same facts and more, but unfortunately I don't remember where I was sent the original site from, and even if it had still been in my browser history, my operating system hard drive failed recently, costing me over 100 GB in data (mostly porn and a few funny cat videos). So at this point, the only people who could find that site readily would be the NSA.

And just throwing this out there, so I'm not painted as a pure liberalist, I'm actually left leaning centrist, an independent voter, raised in a very conservative family, served in the military during almost the entirety of Bush Jr's presidency, and by somewhat of a trade a statistician. I know that any statistics are bullshit, that any survey, study, anywhere, anytime, will have some form of bias. It's literally impossible to remove all bias from an experiment, social or otherwise. The trick is to take as much out as possible.




joether -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 3:53:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I think she was asking for a link proving your claim that "Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. " and I have to admit I would love to see the study also.


I believe there was such a study. And that it was food for political theater for a couple of days. The study was trying to link the idea that conservative and libertarian viewpoints tend to suffer more a likelihood to different forms of mental/emotional problems. An has been observed, any time science has entered into the political world, there is huge debate and the facts are mushed to nothing by those that wish to undermine it.

But thanks to science, we can observe.

Why did scientists (hard and soft sciences) vote for President Obama in the 90% range in both elections? Why those lacking a high school degree voted for McCain and Romney? We could say anything we want in a political forum. But for a study, it would have to be researched, analyzed, and a conclusion based on evidence made. An its been observed that people told they have a harsh mental/emotional issue is very similar to those told they have weeks or months to live when they feel completely healthy.

Do conservatives and libertarians suffer from one or more possible mental/emotional issues? Yes. So do liberals and moderates. What percentage is the difficult factor. And what percentage of each mental/emotional issue even further difficult.

Gun nuts are paranoid of the unknown. Those supporting Voter Photo ID laws say voter fraud is out of control when its not. An libertarians? I've understood them in the following way: They are against what they are for, and for what they are against. It makes no rational sense to anyone but them. That there are people that REALLY do believe President Obama is not a US Citizen given the evidence and facts know, and not just saying it for political theater. An who is more pessimistic about our nation and the future of this nation? Conservatives? Liberals? Libertarians? Moderates?

We have less studies on "How does one's political view point affect/effect their mental and emotional health' than we have studies on 'actual firearm use in real life situations'. Its like comparing 'actual firearm use in real life situations' to firearm studies based solely on statistics. To put another way, like comparing a Boeing 747 to a bubble bee on size of cargo carried.

If you thought yourself free of any and all mental/emotional problems, could you handle the idea that your political viewpoints might be causing said mental/emotional problems to be created? And would you be willing to accept therapy? For some Americans, they would resist that their political views might be causing their mental/emotional problems. Or that those problems are amplified due to their political views. Trying to treat such a condition fairly, honestly, without conditioning the person out the good political viewpoints; I would imagine is extremely difficult.





joether -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 4:04:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: maidheather
Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'

Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?


I think many of us would need some evidence to support that claim...

I do know that charter schools, unlike public schools, can be more discriminating in who they take. That there have been cases cited of charter schools discriminating on the basis of 'violence tendencies' and 'special needs help'. I understand the reasoning for this: to show their students do better academically than public schools. Since public schools are taxpayer funded and charter schools are not (i.e. they are a business).

I've never heard of a charter school denying someone entry based solely on their skin color. I would imagine that would fly in the face of anti-discrimination laws.




joether -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 4:25:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
http://online.wsj.com/articles/matt-ridley-whatever-happened-to-global-warming-1409872855 -- uh, they are struggling to explain the 17-year pause in global warming, plus the failure of climate models to accurately predict the temperature rise or to be even close. Leftists don't seem to like the historical record showing the Earth's climate naturally changes due to a variety of factors. Leftists are the ones behind vaccine denial. Teaching children that they should man destroys the planet is PC drivel.

Stop conflating all conservatives with Creationists. Plenty of conservatives, like me, aren't even religious. We love cosmology and all science. We don't ban discussions of global warming by labeling the many legitimate scientists "deniers" (as has the LA Times, among others, done).


The problem you have is that you do not really understand what it means to be 'objective' on a subject matter. To remove emotion, political thought, and biasness to reach a conclusion based solely on the data collected from experiments. That is what scientists do. And that when a study is presented to the scientific community, others take it and perform the same set of experiments; reporting their findings. In this way, people start to understand whether the conclusions of the first study hold basis or not. And through testing and research, form an understanding on how the universe around us operates.

You enter these discussions without a clear understanding of science. You make outrageous statements that take some of us time to fully explain. Because we have to explain the very basics and work up to the discussion you are presenting. Often times from a site to which the authors do not understand what they are babbling on. Where as you could take an 'introduction to science' at a high school or college level and perhaps learn to understand what information could be 'science-based' and what is 'baloney-based'. That you think scientists have some massive conspiracy going, speaks volumes of your uneducated attitude on the subject matter.

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" they are struggling to explain the 17-year pause in global warming"


What you see as 'struggling', I see as 'they are taking their time to methodically eliminate other possibilities to arrive at a well defined answer'. Scientists are struggling with cancer. Or, scientists are trying to find ways to combat the various cancer types in the human body. Which sounds more based on 'clueless idiot' verse 'informed on science'?

I'm going to take the educated and logical guess, that scientists already understand and know a decent idea to why there might be this idea of a '17 year pause in global warming'. Assuming of course what you say is true and not just more baloney you or others with a political bent have wished into reality from nothingness. That they haven't come out and explain it, means they are still researching all the possible directions.





DomKen -> RE: Gop trying to break science education again (9/8/2014 4:46:12 PM)

The thing is there has been no "pause" that is simply right wing bubble nonsense again.

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/no-hiatus-pause-global-warming-climate-change-heres-why-20140109
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/10/scientists-debunk-conservative-myth-of-global-warming-pause/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/08/25/3475168/global-warming-atlantic/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong




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