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Musicmystery -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 5:15:39 AM)
And again, if he'd listened to his daddy, he'd have left well enough alone. You smash it, you bought it. He created this mess. Willingly. It doesn't matter who's president -- this mess will be around for decades.

cloudboy -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 6:14:21 AM)
You rarely steer a thread in a good direction; blame is one thing -- but this thread is about the present and the future. What should the USA do and who do we have to work with. What outcomes can we expect? I ask these questions to see what insights might be gathered. Obama is a reluctant leader here; how does that impact things going forward?

mnottertail -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 6:46:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Bush and Bush Lite. Obama's errors don't make Bush any smarter for his. Bush said, don't pull out of Iraq prematurely, the power vacuum will be filled by terrorists (and he was right) Barack campaigned on pulling out of Iraq as fast as possible, he did so and was quickly proven to be a moron Not exactly twins Pure nutsucker lies. Bush negotiated the pullout and leaving Iraq, he was shlepping around Iraq upping it to the fellas when he got tried on for shoes. (it made the real news something you dont watch) Obama tried to stay in but could not get Iraq to agree that the troops would not be subject to laws of Iraq. His wanting to pull out soon as possible did not include leaving when Bush had signed the SOFA (status of forces agreement to the cretins). And here we are. Again, Sanity is untutored in these matters and felching other feeble minded nutsuckers as is the usual case. No surprise to anyone out here right?

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:11:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And again, if he'd listened to his daddy, he'd have left well enough alone. Again, despite the repeated talking points that involve outright lies, all the Dems were on board. The UN had given the nod. Britain was on board, as was everyone else. You are desperate to make this about a little boy whose daddy said no because thats the talking point they gave you at the door and you cant think for yourself. quote: You smash it, you bought it. He created this mess. Willingly. Again, all the Dems were on board. "We" bought it. WE And Barack and all his merry far left loons such as yourself campaigned on tearing asunder every gain we made there. Our troops were rapists, remember? Torturers. War criminals. We HAD to get out. So Barack got us out, and here we are with the mess that you DEMS created. quote: It doesn't matter who's president -- this mess will be around for decades. Thomas Jefferson warred against Islam, in spite of your poor education this is nothing Bush created

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:17:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Pure nutsucker lies. Bush negotiated the pullout and leaving Iraq, he was shlepping around Iraq upping it to the fellas when he got tried on for shoes. (it made the real news something you dont watch) Obama tried to stay in but could not get Iraq to agree that the troops would not be subject to laws of Iraq. His wanting to pull out soon as possible did not include leaving when Bush had signed the SOFA (status of forces agreement to the cretins). And here we are. Again, Sanity is untutored in these matters and felching other feeble minded nutsuckers as is the usual case. No surprise to anyone out here right? We are still in Germany and Japan, poor stupid little dancing moron. We negotiate from strength as victors, and Barack got the exact agreement he negotiated for. Bush maintained that we had to leave a presence there and he described our current situation as the result if we failed to do so Barack ignored Iraqi pleas for help against ISIS early on Keep dancing in it

mnottertail -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:25:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And again, if he'd listened to his daddy, he'd have left well enough alone. Again, despite the repeated talking points that involve outright lies, all the Dems were on board. The UN had given the nod. Britain was on board, as was everyone else. You are desperate to make this about a little boy whose daddy said no because thats the talking point they gave you at the door and you cant think for yourself. quote: You smash it, you bought it. He created this mess. Willingly. Again, all the Dems were on board. "We" bought it. WE And Barack and all his merry far left loons such as yourself campaigned on tearing asunder every gain we made there. Our troops were rapists, remember? Torturers. War criminals. We HAD to get out. So Barack got us out, and here we are with the mess that you DEMS created. quote: It doesn't matter who's president -- this mess will be around for decades. Thomas Jefferson warred against Islam, in spite of your poor education this is nothing Bush created Everyone was on board, because nobody thought the President of the United States would treasonously feed all of us knowingly false and made up intel. But by god he did. And as always the rest is foolish lies as well. None meeting with reality.

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:31:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy You rarely steer a thread in a good direction; blame is one thing -- but this thread is about the present and the future. What should the USA do and who do we have to work with. What outcomes can we expect? I ask these questions to see what insights might be gathered. Obama is a reluctant leader here; how does that impact things going forward? Funny thing - Rush Limbaugh mocked the media leftists who taught you to parrot that "reluctant warrior" talking point the other day quote: ANTONIO MORA: The president has been described as a very reluctant warrior. JONATHAN KARL: It was a remarkable moment for a reluctant warrior. ERROL BARNETT: This reluctant war-time president. JOE KERNEN: A reluctant war president. CHUCK TODD: This is a president, although a very reluctant warrior. RICHARD HAASS: A war-weary America, a reluctant president. ED HENRY: He's a reluctant warrior. GEORGE MITCHELL: A reluctant warrior than one who's seeking combat. JOHN HEILEMANN: A very reluctant warrior. AL HUNT: Come across as a reluctant warrior. HAROLD FORD JR.: Reluctant, as is a reluctant warrior. JUDY WOODRUFF: This reluctance, that he’s doing this reluctantly. MARK SHIELDS: I don’t think there’s any question of his reluctance. DAVID BROOKS: Reluctant leader who’s reluctant to go to war. DAVID GERGEN: He's a very reluctant warrior. JOHN HARWOOD: He's deeply reluctant. VAN JONES: He’s gone and turned tonight from being that reluctant warrior to being an actual warrior against ISIS. [img]http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/images/obamagolfiraq3/1298210-1-eng-GB/ObamaGOlfIraq.jpg[/img]

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:34:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Everyone was on board, because nobody thought the President of the United States would treasonously feed all of us knowingly false and made up intel. But by god he did. And as always the rest is foolish lies as well. None meeting with reality. They were on board before Bush was ever on the scene, little dancing moron [;)] Clinton bombed Iraq, they all gave speeches about the grave threat Iraq posed...

Musicmystery -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:34:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And again, if he'd listened to his daddy, he'd have left well enough alone. Again, despite the repeated talking points that involve outright lies, all the Dems were on board. The UN had given the nod. Britain was on board, as was everyone else. You are desperate to make this about a little boy whose daddy said no because thats the talking point they gave you at the door and you cant think for yourself. quote: You smash it, you bought it. He created this mess. Willingly. Again, all the Dems were on board. "We" bought it. WE And Barack and all his merry far left loons such as yourself campaigned on tearing asunder every gain we made there. Our troops were rapists, remember? Torturers. War criminals. We HAD to get out. So Barack got us out, and here we are with the mess that you DEMS created. quote: It doesn't matter who's president -- this mess will be around for decades. Thomas Jefferson warred against Islam, in spite of your poor education this is nothing Bush created And again, the partisan spin is YOU. I've REPEATEDLY said I'm no fan of EITHER administration or party on this. What part of that is so beyond your twisted world view that you're simply unable to grasp the concept? I know you prefer a simplistic world of left vs. right. But like your Saint missed, the world isn't simple. That you have to go back two centuries for support should tell you something about the silliness of your "argument." Incidentally, Jefferson was ALSO accused of being a Muslim. Sound familiar? http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117173/thomas-jeffersons-quran-denise-spellberg-reviewed Jefferson fought pirates, not Islam. In fact, he stood up for Muslims. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2007/01/jeffersons_quran.html And, Islam helped shaped Jefferson's views. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/29/thomas-jefferson-s-quran-how-islam-shaped-the-founders.html I don't suppose your Masters gave you that, Silly Parrot.

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:36:35 AM)
The Barbary pirates were Islamic, you poor pathetic idiot

Musicmystery -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:38:41 AM)
And they weren't attacked because they were Muslims, but because they were Pirates. I know that's a hard distinction for a Puppet Brain to grasp. Work on it.

mnottertail -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:40:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Pure nutsucker lies. Bush negotiated the pullout and leaving Iraq, he was shlepping around Iraq upping it to the fellas when he got tried on for shoes. (it made the real news something you dont watch) Obama tried to stay in but could not get Iraq to agree that the troops would not be subject to laws of Iraq. His wanting to pull out soon as possible did not include leaving when Bush had signed the SOFA (status of forces agreement to the cretins). And here we are. Again, Sanity is untutored in these matters and felching other feeble minded nutsuckers as is the usual case. No surprise to anyone out here right? We are still in Germany and Japan, poor stupid little dancing moron. We negotiate from strength as victors, and Barack got the exact agreement he negotiated for. Bush maintained that we had to leave a presence there and he described our current situation as the result if we failed to do so Barack ignored Iraqi pleas for help against ISIS early on Keep dancing in it Uh we are in germany and japan because of russia and china, and you might want to consider that we are partners in those endeavors, germany and nato and japan and seato. And we pay them tons and tons of money for the honor of being there. He didnt ignore pleas against ISIS he tried to arm the Kurds, it was the nutsuckers down in the house who sat with their fingers up their asses. He also started bombing them immediately. Again, the nutsuckers with their fingers not only up their own asses, but their caucus colleagues asses as well. Really, this stuff is so recently in the news you are not going to be able to rewrite this history even for the feeble minded it is directed at. People can see the cretinous asswipe you write you know.

mnottertail -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:46:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Everyone was on board, because nobody thought the President of the United States would treasonously feed all of us knowingly false and made up intel. But by god he did. And as always the rest is foolish lies as well. None meeting with reality. They were on board before Bush was ever on the scene, little dancing moron [;)] Clinton bombed Iraq, they all gave speeches about the grave threat Iraq posed... Bullshit, you lying felcher. Clinton bombed Iraq and rid us of WMD there, and everyone knew it except the nutsuckers. There was no worry about WMD after that except by nutsuckers and only nutsuckers, no other intel agency was concerned because they knew they had been wiped out. Events proved that again. Fuckin nutsuckers are not militarily adept, obviously we have to have Democrats to clean up their messes. Don't act like nutsuckers are any good at war, they are only good at starting them, not conducting them.

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:48:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And they weren't attacked because they were Muslims, but because they were Pirates. I know that's a hard distinction for a Puppet Brain to grasp. Work on it. And they were pirates because their Koran gave them holy guidance

Musicmystery -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:51:24 AM)
Like I said, it's an obvious distinction but probably behind the capabilities of your Puppet Brain. Tell me . . . what NON-pirate Islamics did Jefferson attack? Btw--you've ignored all the links/evidence showing his defense of Islam. That's beyond your Parrot Vision too, I suppose.

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:53:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Like I said, it's an obvious distinction but probably behind the capabilities of your Puppet Brain. Tell me . . . what NON-pirate Islamics did Jefferson attack? Btw--you've ignored all the links/evidence showing his defense of Islam. That's beyond your Parrot Vision too, I suppose. Thats a good troll, just keep obsessing over me, and wishing you had half a mind

Musicmystery -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 7:54:52 AM)
Got nothing, huh? Maybe Rush will do a show on it, so you know what to say.

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 8:01:37 AM)
If only your poor, pathetic, sick little troll minds could only just scratch the surface of the reality... quote: Even when the Islamic State was marching across Iraq unchecked, Obama officials ignored the jihadi group’s rise because it wasn’t politically expedient to tackle such issues, according to the NYT journalist. Arango concluded: “Even after falluja fell to ISIS at the end of last year, the administration would push back on stories about Maliki’s sectarian tendencies saying they didn’t see it that way. So there was a concerted effort by the administration not to acknowledge the obvious until it became apparent -- with the fall of Mosul -- that Iraq was collapsing.” And now that his poll numbers are collapsing, our super warlord is going to borrow George Bush's old speeches, and lead the world into battle...

Musicmystery -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 8:06:01 AM)
Oh. First he's doing nothing, according to you. Now it's a world war. [8\|] [:D] You can't make this shit up. (That the president does things that are politically expedient is true -- so does Congress)

Sanity -> RE: Foreign Policy -- The Complicated Road Ahead (9/13/2014 8:06:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Got nothing, huh? Maybe Rush will do a show on it, so you know what to say. GOOD troll [:D]

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