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thompsonx -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 7:05:28 AM)
ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted I've only had very minimal training with explosives, a few days during basic is all, but my understanding is it takes weeks to rig a building for demolition. Has it occured to you that you might actually look up this information on the net instead of basing your remarks on simply your self admitted igorance?

Gauge -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 2:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Gauge I am no expert on the demolition of buildings, Then why do you offer your ignorant opinion? but I know there is a lot more involved than simply placing charges. How would you know this if,as you say, you are no expert on the demolition of buildings? So, everyone who is commenting on this thread has an engineering degree or is a demolitions expert? I didn't realize I had to be an expert to comment.

thompsonx -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 2:51:29 PM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am no expert on the demolition of buildings, Then why do you offer your ignorant opinion? but I know there is a lot more involved than simply placing charges. How would you know this if,as you say, you are no expert on the demolition of buildings? So, everyone who is commenting on this thread has an engineering degree or is a demolitions expert? I didn't realize I had to be an expert to comment. To comment is one thing but when you offer self admitted ignorance re:demolition or engineering then expect to be called on it.

Gauge -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 3:20:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx To comment is one thing but when you offer self admitted ignorance re:demolition or engineering then expect to be called on it. What I know about demolition of a building is fundamental at best, but I can read and I can search on the Internet and have discovered, from expert sites that there is, in fact, more to demolition than simply placing charges. If you are intent on badgering me for something innocuous and trite, don't bother.

thompsonx -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 3:52:11 PM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge ORIGINAL: thompsonx To comment is one thing but when you offer self admitted ignorance re:demolition or engineering then expect to be called on it. What I know about demolition of a building is fundamental at best, but I can read and I can search on the Internet and have discovered, from expert sites that there is, in fact, more to demolition than simply placing charges. So you are aware that the wtc was curtain wall construction. That being said how does that sort of construction lend it self to demolition by explosives vs. aircraft? If you are intent on badgering me for something innocuous and trite, don't bother. If you feel unable or unqualified to discuss this with me the solution is simple...don't. If you wish to discuss it then bring something to the discussion besides ignorant opinions.

DomKen -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 4:09:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx To comment is one thing but when you offer self admitted ignorance re:demolition or engineering then expect to be called on it. What I know about demolition of a building is fundamental at best, but I can read and I can search on the Internet and have discovered, from expert sites that there is, in fact, more to demolition than simply placing charges. If you are intent on badgering me for something innocuous and trite, don't bother. Don't bother engaging with tommy. It's pointless.

thompsonx -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 4:30:01 PM)
ORIGINAL: DomKen Don't bother engaging with tommy. It's pointless. Is your butt still sore from the last time I spanked it purple?

Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/29/2014 11:53:49 PM)
FR sorry for being awol here, just popped on for a quick peek and expect to have more time later to address some of the issues brought up. Meantime here is some food for thought. Here are a couple more (compared) that were shown to people over and over again on tv to sell the attacks on the ME, suffice to say both cannot be correct and the only way this anomaly is possible is through the use of CGI. [image]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d141/4dumdebunkers/wtcgi/175cgii_zpsvxmdn37s.gif[/image] Then there is a difference in preparing a building and loading it. People were given the impression that its a necessity to torch them first but its not. Most preparation is removing all the contaminates which takes months. Loading it only takes a matter of minutes but no need to believe me here is a 30 year demo veteran tells how its done with regard to building WTC7 the one no plane hit. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/DannyJowenkoWTC7Martyr4Truth.gif[/image]

Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/31/2014 5:26:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne FR sorry for being awol here, just popped on for a quick peek and expect to have more time later to address some of the issues brought up. Meantime here is some food for thought. Here are a couple more (compared) that were shown to people over and over again on tv to sell the attacks on the ME, suffice to say both cannot be correct and the only way this anomaly is possible is through the use of CGI. Then there is a difference in preparing a building and loading it. People were given the impression that its a necessity to torch them first but its not. Most preparation is removing all the contaminates which takes months. Loading it only takes a matter of minutes but no need to believe me here is a 30 year demo veteran tells how its done with regard to building WTC7 the one no plane hit. If you wish to address any issues, start with your ignorance of demolition. The only part you got right is that contaminates are removed first. Following that, walls are weakend or removed if they are not load bearing. Steel girders are partly cut through to allow an implosion to fall inwards, the steel being cut to fall in a certain way. The explosives are installed to fire in sequence, this constists of much drilling, placing explosives, wiring etc. I have just given you a quick scenario, as someone who has worked in the industry. I am sure you can find some more bollocks to prove otherwise. [8\|]

Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/3/2014 11:18:38 PM)
well before we talk about my knowledge of demolition, (no time right now to get into it) what do you think about this stack of phds has to say about it? Meet the Experts \| 9/11: Explosive Evidence

mnottertail -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/4/2014 10:47:03 AM)
Not much, not a one of them said anything about the physics of Sammy the Bull Gravano.

Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/4/2014 5:21:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well before we talk about my knowledge of demolition, (no time right now to get into it) what do you think about this stack of phds has to say about it? Meet the Experts \| 9/11: Explosive Evidence Experts like Richard Gage, who admits himself he knows fuck all about demolitions ? You need to do a few things Real. The first is learn the difference between Architects and PHD`s The Second is to read what the American Institute of Architects thinks about Gage. http://www.architectmagazine.com/architecture/architects-shy-from-truther-conspiracy-theory_1.aspx I could suggest a third but might get a gold cmail.

Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/5/2014 6:27:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well before we talk about my knowledge of demolition, (no time right now to get into it) what do you think about this stack of phds has to say about it? Meet the Experts \| 9/11: Explosive Evidence Experts like Richard Gage, who admits himself he knows fuck all about demolitions ? You need to do a few things Real. The first is learn the difference between Architects and PHD`s The Second is to read what the American Institute of Architects thinks about Gage. http://www.architectmagazine.com/architecture/architects-shy-from-truther-conspiracy-theory_1.aspx I could suggest a third but might get a gold cmail. Not real hard to understand what your fair and balanced article is all about just by the title :) "AIA doesn't want its name associated with Trutherism." last thing anyone wants is "truth". right? Your article is purely a political angle. Did you bother to even click the link? It starts out with a couple phds if I remember correctly. Big mistake when you try to single gage out and characterize him as a quack. Like shooting a gun with one of those reversed barrels at someone that blows your own head off LOL Who Are These 2,000 Architects and Engineers? quote: The architects and engineers who have signed our petition reflect a wide range of disciplines and specialties. A great many hold degrees from nationally and internationally respected colleges and universities, and many have received high honors from their professional or academic communities. Many are principals of firms, and several dozen have designed high-rise structures similar to the World Trade Center buildings. For most, the length of professional experience can be measured not in years but in decades, and collectively, they comprise more than 30,000 years of qualified technical experience. In short, they are precisely the kinds of people that our society turns to when trying to understand complex events like the catastrophic destruction of the World Trade Center – that is, experts. More than 75 AE911Truth petition signers hold Ph.D. degrees. More than 190 hold M.S. degrees. Nearly 100 of our architects are members of the American Institute of Architects (AIA). Seven of our signers are Fellows of the AIA (FAIA), one of the highest honors that the organization can bestow upon a member. High-rise architect Daniel Barnum, FAIA, is one of the signers who holds this prestigious distinction, which reflects great personal and professional achievement. More than 75 AE911Truth petition signers hold Ph.D. degrees. With more than 40 years of experience, Barnum has worked on major high-rise office buildings in Houston, Texas, and was project manager for a 22-story high-rise office building in Akron, Ohio. In recalling the collapse of World Trade Center 7 in the film 9/11: Explosive Evidence—Experts Speak Out, Barnum said, “…a few fires in that building and, I mean, they weren’t even raging, and how could that cause a building to collapse? Couldn’t happen.” The problem anyone has with the official story is that it is impossible for it to happen the way we were told. Do you know what fea is? [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/sag3.gif[/image] and then there is this guy who owned his own demolition company until saying it was demolished one too many times on tv. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/DannyJowenkoWTC7Martyr4Truth.gif[/image] its not as easy to get away with this shit today as it would have been during the kennedy assassination or waco.

Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/6/2014 4:11:43 AM)
Someone still doesnt get what PHD means. Even a cursory glance at your list finds very few mantion of a PHD. YOU keep spouting off about Gage and his group, so you best get used to people showing him up for what he is. FEA......... You really think floors wont give way when taking the extra load from the floors above ? Are you that dense ? (Rhetorical) Martyr for truth ?....... You wouldt know truth if it bit you on the fucking arse. Keep posting the cartoons though, I am sure some clowns believe them to be true. If you think the CIA/Mossad, took out Jowenko as he knew the truth, dont you think your years of spouting bullshit would have come to an end already..... LMAO Indeed. Gage is a clown but you are the fucking circus.

Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/6/2014 8:10:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Someone still doesnt get what PHD means. Even a cursory glance at your list finds very few mantion of a PHD. YOU keep spouting off about Gage and his group, so you best get used to people showing him up for what he is. FEA......... You really think floors wont give way when taking the extra load from the floors above ? Are you that dense ? (Rhetorical) Martyr for truth ?....... You wouldt know truth if it bit you on the fucking arse. Keep posting the cartoons though, I am sure some clowns believe them to be true. If you think the CIA/Mossad, took out Jowenko as he knew the truth, dont you think your years of spouting bullshit would have come to an end already..... LMAO Indeed. Gage is a clown but you are the fucking circus. well little mention of them does not negate their existence as active members. No I am not spouting off about gage, I am spouting off about the evidence he lays on the table. Others can figure out if there was a conspiracy, this is about the scientific approach to the matter. Oh? In that case I stand down so you can instruct us what a phd is in your opinon? Gage is only the spokes person to inform you what the group as a whole have concluded in the professional opinions. So I dont see how attacking him personally can possibly gain any points in a physics and engineering debate of the events of 911. Sure floors may depending on the circumstance, especially with a little help, however all 3 building came down uniformly in a symmetrical fashion despite having asymmetrical structural damage. [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%20physics/assdamm_zps8a3e496b.gif[/image] that is so funny I laugh my ass off every time I see it, but surprisingly there are people who cant distinguish between what to expect from symmetrical damage versus asymmetrical damage. I do not know of any case (and I have looked extensively) of asymmetrical damage causing uniform symmetrical failure at freefall in nature. Do you? This was a battle that the so called 911 myth busters or debunkers better know as official story huggers fought ferociously to no avail for years. Its very simple really to explain the difference and what should have been expected under those conditions. This is what he is talking about, when he says the steel was literally evaporated. Something had to have been used to separate the grain boundaries to get it look like that. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/steel/steel143.jpg[/image] I dont know of any situation where fire can make steel look like that do you? He cant be all bad since they invited him to present the issues on CSpan Journal. On CSPAN's "Washington Journal" (@cspanwj) Richard Gage, founder of "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" (@ae911truth) discusses their evidence that Building 7 was destroyed by controlled demolition on September 11th. Gage was live from MediaOne Studio 2. I am sure Jowekos untimely death immediately following his interview where he stated that it was a demolition was just another one of those unfortunate "coincidences" right?

mnottertail -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/7/2014 8:30:26 AM)
Two things: asymmetrical damage and symmetrical damage can make them fall straight down. We do it in aikijutsu all the time. Additionally we have no proof that the hole in the thing lying on grass (on grass mind you) came from or was anywhere in New York, let alone at the WTC. Don't forget, you are the dumbass who showed me pylon rings and claimed they were bent circular from WTC and the conundrum of conspiracy from that piece of fucking junk--- from the fucking site prisonplanet. (Where you get a great deal of your asswipe from) Again, all these perfect theories of engineering do not account for Sammy the bull Gravano.

Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/8/2014 4:10:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well little mention of them does not negate their existence as active members. So they have all mentioned any qualifications EXCEPT the PHDs they have quote: No I am not spouting off about gage, I am spouting off about the evidence he lays on the table. Others can figure out if there was a conspiracy, this is about the scientific approach to the matter. Same thing dopey quote: Oh? In that case I stand down so you can instruct us what a phd is in your opinon? Doctor of Philosophy, last time I looked. quote: Gage is only the spokes person to inform you what the group as a whole have concluded in the professional opinions. So I dont see how attacking him personally can possibly gain any points in a physics and engineering debate of the events of 911. Bollocks..... You keep lining to his presentations, now you are trying to airbrush him out of the pictue. Sure floors may depending on the circumstance, especially with a little help, however all 3 building came down uniformly in a symmetrical fashion despite having asymmetrical structural damage. quote: that is so funny I laugh my ass off every time I see it, but surprisingly there are people who cant distinguish between what to expect from symmetrical damage versus asymmetrical damage. Cartoon time again quote: I do not know of any case (and I have looked extensively) of asymmetrical damage causing uniform symmetrical failure at freefall in nature. Do you? So what, that doesnt make your claim correct quote: This was a battle that the so called 911 myth busters or debunkers better know as official story huggers fought ferociously to no avail for years. Its very simple really to explain the difference and what should have been expected under those conditions. No it isnt simple, whats your view on an explosion caused by molten aluminium and water, can you even explain what that is ? [quoteThis is what he is talking about, when he says the steel was literally evaporated. Something had to have been used to separate the grain boundaries to get it look like that. You just told the class it doesnt matter about Gage. Either he knows what he is on about, or he doesnt. I suggest he doesnt, you keep posting his links quote: I dont know of any situation where fire can make steel look like that do you? WTF is that a photo of and where is it from ? quote: He cant be all bad since they invited him to present the issues on CSpan Journal. There you go with the Gage bullshit again quote: I am sure Jowekos untimely death immediately following his interview where he stated that it was a demolition was just another one of those unfortunate "coincidences" right? Yes, an unfortunate coincidence. It was a car crash no more and no less. Anything else and you are now suggesting the Dutch, American and Israeli authorities are all in on the act

Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/9/2014 9:51:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Two things: asymmetrical damage and symmetrical damage can make them fall straight down. We do it in aikijutsu all the time. Additionally we have no proof that the hole in the thing lying on grass (on grass mind you) came from or was anywhere in New York, let alone at the WTC. Don't forget, you are the dumbass who showed me pylon rings and claimed they were bent circular from WTC and the conundrum of conspiracy from that piece of fucking junk--- from the fucking site prisonplanet. (Where you get a great deal of your asswipe from) Again, all these perfect theories of engineering do not account for Sammy the bull Gravano. kung foo foo to u u too too. truth is far stranger than fiction and you should have listened Carlin when he warned you that big red white and blue dick. No one could make this up man, pay attention this time, this is the long version. [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%20iron/fried_zpsflwdt0q1.gif[/image] You are confused, that was the guy from pa who was into prisonplanet. No the hole is so they can tighten up the bolts. This is about whats wrong with the steel that NIST simply closed their eyes to produce a fraudulent investigative outcome not a hole that is part of the manufacturing process. Pylons? Seriously? That a hack on dubya? lol This the iron you talking about? [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%20iron/bentfriedfracturedsteel_zpsjkynwu8j.gif[/image] pretty much something wrong with each of those iron pics, meaning office fires and collapse wont do that. ok, not sure how much good this will do since you are either not real serious or do not know that the holes are manufactured in to the columns as a means of access to tighten the bolts. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 There you go with the Gage bullshit again I'll get back to this next time I shine around, right now its miller time.

mnottertail -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/10/2014 9:06:08 AM)
Nope, nothing nefarious about any of that iron, all pretty normal looking from fire and collapse, and nothing certifiable or credible that any of that came from WTC. None of that was the pictures you showed, when you were telling me you were a certified welder but couldnt identify plasma cutting slag. So, you have pictures of something in iron debris, but nobody knows of what. With nothing at all strange about them from what I can see. You show iron in the grass, with water in the background as well as houses, and there is nothing like that near WTC. The bulk of the steel debris from WTC was shipped (by barge, or by truck) to 4 salvage yards in NJ, and those pictures are not from salvage yards.

Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (11/12/2014 7:38:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Nope, nothing nefarious about any of that iron, all pretty normal looking from fire and collapse, and nothing certifiable or credible that any of that came from WTC. None of that was the pictures you showed, when you were telling me you were a certified welder but couldnt identify plasma cutting slag. So, you have pictures of something in iron debris, but nobody knows of what. With nothing at all strange about them from what I can see. You show iron in the grass, with water in the background as well as houses, and there is nothing like that near WTC. The bulk of the steel debris from WTC was shipped (by barge, or by truck) to 4 salvage yards in NJ, and those pictures are not from salvage yards. Nope, nothing nefarious about any of that iron, all pretty normal looking from fire and collapse, and nothing certifiable or credible that any of that came from WTC. I am sure everyone here would be happy to believe you if you can show us some pics of iron from other fires that exhibit identical characteristics. I have looked and was not able to find anything like it but maybe you have some? None of that was the pictures you showed, when you were telling me you were a certified welder but couldnt identify plasma cutting slag. Its called new evidence, and despite volumes of verbose ranting you never proved it was in fact slag made by the cleanup crews. So, you have pictures of something in iron debris, but nobody knows of what. With nothing at all strange about them from what I can see. So how do you expect anyone to accept your arguments if you dont even recognize the steel in question worse the ability to recognize and distinguish characteristic differences of the steel? You show iron in the grass, with water in the background as well as houses, and there is nothing like that near WTC. The bulk of the steel debris from WTC was shipped (by barge, or by truck) to 4 salvage yards in NJ, and those pictures are not from salvage yards. So you are unhappy with the background therefore its not wtc steel is that what you are saying?

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