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LittleGirlHeart -> can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/19/2014 10:10:18 PM)
I wonder, because Calley seems to act like she feels like mine for her has. Theres just a few things she used to do, that she doesn't any more, and it can't really be chalked up to old age, nor cuz i put a stop to it. It is almost indeed like she less wanted, or less welcome to come snuggle up. i guess for a lack of better wording If they can feel that, how can you change that, or can you.

DaddySatyr -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/19/2014 10:20:55 PM)
Many, many moons ago, I had a cat (part Russian Blue. Part Alley Cat) that had this weird sense of what kind of mood I was in. If I was in a good mood, when I came home and sat on the couch, he would climb up on my lap and then put one paw on each of my shoulders and lay his head down on my shoulder. It was almost like he was making sure that he got his daily requirement of stroking and loving. If I came home in a bad mood, he would just sit on the couch next to me, waiting for me to signal for him to go ahead and climb up on my lap. I don't know (and I doubt) if he felt that I didn't care for him as much (in those moments) but, I know that his behavior changed and it seemed to be based upon my mood. As for dogs; they drink out of toilets. How smart can they be? Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me?

Gauge -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/19/2014 10:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart I wonder, because Calley seems to act like she feels like mine for her has. Theres just a few things she used to do, that she doesn't any more, and it can't really be chalked up to old age, nor cuz i put a stop to it. It is almost indeed like she less wanted, or less welcome to come snuggle up. i guess for a lack of better wording If they can feel that, how can you change that, or can you. Haven't you been ill recently? Do I remember reading that or was that someone else?

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/19/2014 10:55:25 PM)
Wasn't me, i don't think.

DerangedUnit -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 12:04:42 AM)
she could just be depressed... if you dont, try dog parks, she might just need to socialize a bit. i had great pyranees who definitely knew my mood. if i was skittish or scared he would stand near me and growl at anyone who came close. anytime i was sad and lied down he would curl up around me and bury me in his fluff... anytime i was planning something he would get excited and start nudging me a lot.... but im probably pretty easy to read and i was really close to that dog

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 12:37:25 AM)
She doesn't like other dogs, iactually had to sign an agreement i wouldnt take her to dog parks when I Adopted her.. But yes, maybe she is depressed. She used to come up betwen Daddy and i and shove in to go to sleep, and she always wanted to lay ON me not beside .e ,and she'd stick her face in mine to say good morning and she'd wiggle anddance and jump around like a fool when i got home. She liked to spend a LOT of time in our bed and nlw it almost seems like she prefers the cushion on the floor, now that can be attributed to age, but she just looks so sad while sprawled outthere. She still wants to snuggle, but she acts like we don't.want her,she'll lay on the floor and cry and cry whilewe call her and encourage her to come up, but she jusg acts like we don't want hereven though we are calling to her. She won't even get up. Just cry, butthat could be relayed to age too. She's 12. In the mornings when she wants breakfast at o dark thirty she does get really insistant and she shoves and danves and nuzzles. quote: ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit she could just be depressed... if you dont, try dog parks, she might just need to socialize a bit. i had great pyranees who definitely knew my mood. if i was skittish or scared he would stand near me and growl at anyone who came close. anytime i was sad and lied down he would curl up around me and bury me in his fluff... anytime i was planning something he would get excited and start nudging me a lot.... but im probably pretty easy to read and i was really close to that dog

DeviantlyD -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 12:47:18 AM)
It sounds to me like she is in pain. Dogs can be pretty stoic creatures. It's been my observation that a change in a dog's behaviour usually indicates there is something wrong health-wise. From what you've described, if she were my dog, I would take her to a veterinarian as soon as possible.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 12:48:44 AM)
At her last vet checkshewas in great health for her age, but i can take her again. Sheeat great, drinks great, that hasn't changed. quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD It sounds to me like she is in pain. Dogs can be pretty stoic creatures. It's been my observation that a change in a dog's behaviour usually indicates there is something wrong health-wise. From what you've described, if she were my dog, I would take her to a veterinarian as soon as possible.

epiphiny43 -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 1:05:29 AM)
Watch her. Is her physical activity the same otherwise? Does she also hold back from climbing on things she used to without pause? Few dogs live to an expected life span without some joint issues.

Andyx -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 1:11:02 AM)
I agree with this, get her checked out again then if there are no medical issues and pain is not an issue it could be a learned behaviour ie if your dog whines and you respond with a soothing voice or a cuddle the dog will repeat the whining because its worth it.If you would like any more advice mail me. Andy (I am a qualified dog behaviourist) quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD It sounds to me like she is in pain. Dogs can be pretty stoic creatures. It's been my observation that a change in a dog's behaviour usually indicates there is something wrong health-wise. From what you've described, if she were my dog, I would take her to a veterinarian as soon as possible.

MariaB -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 5:42:41 AM)
I agree with those who have mentioned pain, especially joint pain. My young dog behaved exactly this way when he got Perths Disease. We didn't know there was anything wrong with him for quite a while. Out on walks he was boisterous enough and he never refused a meal. What he stopped doing was to climb onto the sofa and snuggle up with us. I think at some point he must of hurt himself trying to jump onto the sofa or bed and so simply decided to avoid doing it. This made him appear depressed and miserable and no longer close to us like he had been. Once he had his femoral head removed he was back on the sofa and bed with us and his usual happy self. He still goes through periods where he refuses to join us but we now know he's feeling a twinge in his bones and by not jumping up he's avoiding pain. Your dog is on the older side and its very likely he's suffering an amount of joint discomfort. Try sitting on the floor with him and see how he reacts. If he's really happy to have you with him then you know its nothing personal.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 5:46:59 AM)
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DaddySatyr -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 6:13:46 AM)
There are some dogs (I'm specifically thinking of Border Collies) that do get a bit "moody". I've spoken to breeders and vets that tell me that Border Collies sometimes get "angry" with their masters and, therefore, NEED a place that is their own. Most of them have recommended a crate. The topic came up because I think a crate is really a "cage" and the idea bothered me enough to mention it. Anyway, apparently (and who knew) there are breeds that get "moody". I guess that's as good an answer as any. Maybe you done pissed off your dog? Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me?

windchymes -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 6:38:23 AM)
If she's 12, that's pretty old for a dog. If she's crying when she normally would have wanted to get up, I'll bet she's got arthritis and her hips hurt too much to move. That's extremely common in older dogs. The good news is, it can be treated with ordinary aspirin (but NOT tylenol or advil/motrin, those are toxic to dogs!). But TALK TO A PROFESSIONAL to get how much to give her. You can get a bottle of aspirin for a couple dollars, so it's cheap. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you personally, I'd bet the rent money that it's her hips hurting.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 7:31:02 AM)
Wind, I had a coy for 15 years... the love of my life I'll happily admit... that was a reservation rescue. Had I not became her pet the natives would've killed her because she was 1/2 coyote. She had been run over as a pup, broken hip that couldn't be fixed, and at about 10 years old I gave her a baby aspirin at bed time, and in the winter she would need one in the late morning.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 9:01:12 AM)
She's only allowed on my bed. Her activity is good, she's always been a bit couch pltatoe ish ever since day one. I got her at just turning 10. quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 Watch her. Is her physical activity the same otherwise? Does she also hold back from climbing on things she used to without pause? Few dogs live to an expected life span without some joint issues.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 9:04:42 AM)
Yeah, I'd neve dose her with out the dr saying how much too. Sometimes when she gets up and walks, i hear clicking noises as she first begins to walk , is that possible arthritus. quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes If she's 12, that's pretty old for a dog. If she's crying when she normally would have wanted to get up, I'll bet she's got arthritis and her hips hurt too much to move. That's extremely common in older dogs. The good news is, it can be treated with ordinary aspirin (but NOT tylenol or advil/motrin, those are toxic to dogs!). But TALK TO A PROFESSIONAL to get how much to give her. You can get a bottle of aspirin for a couple dollars, so it's cheap. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you personally, I'd bet the rent money that it's her hips hurting.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 9:08:47 AM)
She's always very receptive when I / he come talk to her ! She could be laying as flat as she can get, on her cushion or in the living room and she will always look up when i come over and looks happy. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB I agree with those who have mentioned pain, especially joint pain. My young dog behaved exactly this way when he got Perths Disease. We didn't know there was anything wrong with him for quite a while. Out on walks he was boisterous enough and he never refused a meal. What he stopped doing was to climb onto the sofa and snuggle up with us. I think at some point he must of hurt himself trying to jump onto the sofa or bed and so simply decided to avoid doing it. This made him appear depressed and miserable and no longer close to us like he had been. Once he had his femoral head removed he was back on the sofa and bed with us and his usual happy self. He still goes through periods where he refuses to join us but we now know he's feeling a twinge in his bones and by not jumping up he's avoiding pain. Your dog is on the older side and its very likely he's suffering an amount of joint discomfort. Try sitting on the floor with him and see how he reacts. If he's really happy to have you with him then you know its nothing personal.

smileforme50 -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 10:18:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD It sounds to me like she is in pain. Dogs can be pretty stoic creatures. It's been my observation that a change in a dog's behaviour usually indicates there is something wrong health-wise. From what you've described, if she were my dog, I would take her to a veterinarian as soon as possible. That's what I was going to say. Has ANYTHING changed in your usual routine? Have you and your partner been having any problems? Either between yourselves or maybe one of you is ill or extra-stressed at work? Think about the things that may have changed for you since this started, and if you really can't think of anything, then I would guess it's physiologic. You'd be surprised how quickly things can come up for a dog of that age even when the last checkup was fine.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: can dogs perceive the bond with their humans have diminished? (9/20/2014 11:48:00 AM)
No. Not that i can think of. We'll take her in payday, and have the dr look at her, maybe do some x rays. quote: ORIGINAL: smileforme50 quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD It sounds to me like she is in pain. Dogs can be pretty stoic creatures. It's been my observation that a change in a dog's behaviour usually indicates there is something wrong health-wise. From what you've described, if she were my dog, I would take her to a veterinarian as soon as possible. That's what I was going to say. Has ANYTHING changed in your usual routine? Have you and your partner been having any problems? Either between yourselves or maybe one of you is ill or extra-stressed at work? Think about the things that may have changed for you since this started, and if you really can't think of anything, then I would guess it's physiologic. You'd be surprised how quickly things can come up for a dog of that age even when the last checkup was fine.

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