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Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:17:55 AM   
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WASHINGTON - Now that Karl Rove won't be indicted, now that the president won't fire him, now that it really doesn't matter anymore, more details of the Valarie Plame leak investigation trickle out.

I swore I just heard someone say, "Duh?"



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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 6:42:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		What was really enlightening about the Plum affair was that the "publisher" of the identity of the CIA agent, Novak, was never brought before the grand jury and was not imprisoned when (because he probably would have) he refused to name his source, but other reporters who weren't right-wing mouthpieces were imprisoned.

The government wasn't interested in who revealed the information.  They just wanted to punish open and free discussion.  If they had been interested, they certainly would have put pressure on the one person who certainly knew the information first hand.

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 12:58:58 PM   
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What was really enlightening about the Plum affair was that the "publisher" of the identity of the CIA agent, Novak, was never brought before the grand jury and was not imprisoned when (because he probably would have) he refused to name his source, but other reporters who weren't right-wing mouthpieces were imprisoned.

The government wasn't interested in who revealed the information.  They just wanted to punish open and free discussion.  If they had been interested, they certainly would have put pressure on the one person who certainly knew the information first hand.


Great assessment; that is exactly what happened.  And this whole bit about punishing the ''Times'' for leaks is more nonsense. Greater transparency is tantamount in protecting the people from the government.  I say to the insiders who are aware of what’s being perpetuated against the first amendment – Keep leaking Baby!
 

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 1:13:47 PM   
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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:05:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing dramatic in that story other than the headline... you can't leak something that isn't a secret.

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Valerie Plame story is a non story. Leak what. ? She was not a CIA operative or agent. Even her neighbors knew where she worked. This was about trying to make the President look bad. It didn't work. Look at her own husband for "leaking" this insignifiant info. 

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:16:22 PM   
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The Valerie Plame story is a non story. Leak what. ? She was not a CIA operative or agent. Even her neighbors knew where she worked. This was about trying to make the President look bad. It didn't work. Look at her own husband for "leaking" this insignifiant info. 


It was a law, pushed for by the Republicans, that revealing the name of any CIA employee was a felony.   It didn't have an exemption for the political party of the person who did the revealing but of course "it's a new world after 911."

I suppose we should have just accepted that Iraq was trying to get yellow cake from Africa even though there was no credible evidence.  After all the president said so.  How can we tell he's lying?  (Ans: Lip movement)

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:17:17 PM   
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This story has gone from glee over watching Rove "frog-marched" from the White House to a pur kerfuffle.

Another left myth bites the dust.

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:20:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The government wasn't interested."

Huh? What do you call a special prosecutor?

If the goverment is in such control, why is Libby facing jail time and huge legal costs?

All you offer are conspiracy theories. Maybe Novak wasn't indicted because he did nothing wrong...

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:38:56 PM   
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It was a law, pushed for by the Republicans, that revealing the name of any CIA employee was a felony..... 


A felony for mentioning the name of the Director of the CIA? Or of Aldrich Ames? The cook at the last retirement dinner?

Or perhaps you meant to say of any active 'covert' employee...which by all accounts was a special category that Plame did not fall into....hence the lack of felony charges against her husband.

Very much a non-story, being spun into agit-prop.

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 2:54:27 PM   
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If the goverment is in such control, why is Libby facing jail time and huge legal costs?

All you offer are conspiracy theories. Maybe Novak wasn't indicted because he did nothing wrong...


  It's very similar to what happened with Slick Willy ala '' Ken Starr'' and the ''Whitewater'' scandal. He ended up perjuring himself for something totally unrelated to the original investigation. Like someone else mentioned... It's about one side trying to make the other look bad. It's wastes the tax payer's hard earned money and gives the press something to sensationalize.



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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:28:12 PM   
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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:31:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

What was really enlightening about the Plum affair was that the "publisher" of the identity of the CIA agent, Novak, was never brought before the grand jury and was not imprisoned when (because he probably would have) he refused to name his source, but other reporters who weren't right-wing mouthpieces were imprisoned.

The government wasn't interested in who revealed the information.  They just wanted to punish open and free discussion.  If they had been interested, they certainly would have put pressure on the one person who certainly knew the information first hand.


John--- Yes, the whole affair boggled my mind, but then again...what about this adminstration hasn't?(Enron, Plumegate, Haliburton, WMD's, Iraq, the FLA vote)

I recall two other reporters naming Rove, and implicating Dick Cheney. But what stumped me the most has been Bush's loyalty to Rove, this mastermind of deception and dishonesty. Bush stated he would fire or dismiss anyone who leaked the information about Plame.

I guess we won't hold our breath for that one.

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:37:13 PM   
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Great assessment; that is exactly what happened.  And this whole bit about punishing the ''Times'' for leaks is more nonsense. Greater transparency is tantamount in protecting the people from the government.  I say to the insiders who are aware of what’s being perpetuated against the first amendment – Keep leaking Baby!
 - R

The thing that concerns me the most is how the media is now owned by the same corporations that funded Bush's election and Iraq.  I was taught that when the media is controlled by corporations, and the corporations withhold information to save the politicans, then we have fascism. That might seem 'over the edge' as far as my assessment, but a free press that is the watchdog of the government keeps them honest.

Just my opinion.
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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:40:49 PM   
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"The government wasn't interested."

Huh? What do you call a special prosecutor?

If the goverment is in such control, why is Libby facing jail time and huge legal costs?

All you offer are conspiracy theories. Maybe Novak wasn't indicted because he did nothing wrong...


LMAO! Conspiracy theories about Rove and Plame? Sorry, don't mean to laugh, but sometimes Bush apologists offer me NO consolation. Since when do you out a CIA Agent because her hubby was outspoken agaisnt a war? Ask Rove. Read the paper. (Smirks).


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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:42:13 PM   
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Well we all knew this didn't we Irish? I wonder if Novak decided protecting this cabal was a bad idea  now the ship is sinking (can anyone say rat?)


Of course Julia...remember when Carville basically said that to Novak on Crossfire and Novak walked off the set? Priceless


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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:48:47 PM   
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Well we all knew this didn't we Irish? I wonder if Novak decided protecting this cabal was a bad idea  now the ship is sinking (can anyone say rat?)


Of course Julia...remember when Carville basically said that to Novak on Crossfire and Novak walked off the set? Priceless



Well what surprised me was that the media tried to present Judy  Miller and Novak as independent unbiased journalists instead of Goering-type mouth pieces. They are right wing operatives that have more in common with propagandists than an independent journalist.. that was why the administration was always giving Miller the scoop on Iraq and other stories, she was a more than friendly ear. What is surprising to me is how people can claim the NY Times is somehow a "Liberal Rag" when they have such types writing their stories. Just my opinion


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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:52:06 PM   
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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:53:16 PM   
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"Liberal Rag"....Julia, you commie, liberal, pinko, welfare queen, no good slut you!!!Shoot, did I leave something out? Bangs head on the side of the computer....


Ask my Dom, he calls me these things on a daily basis... he is so good to me with compliments after all

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RE: Novak: Rove was a source in outing Plame - 7/12/2006 3:56:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

"Liberal Rag"....Julia, you commie, liberal, pinko, welfare queen, no good slut you!!!Shoot, did I leave something out? Bangs head on the side of the computer....


Ask my Dom, he calls me these things on a daily basis... he is so good to me with compliments after all


yeah, but I'm sure calling you those things is a reward and not a punishment


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