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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Still can't read I see. The person at fault was the one who turned in the false report. I said that carrying like he did was unwise, I never said he was in the wrong. His killing was a travesty brought on by a false report to the police who arrived and based their actions on false information. You clearly missed the part were I said that I didn't carry a new gun out of the box to avoid distress to others, guess that I have the right amount of melanin to make that unwise (I am of mostly German descent).

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Actually they shot him before he had a change to shoot the kid they thought he was aiming at. As far as they knew he had just loaded the gun and was getting ready to use it. Of course this was all based on the lies of some asshat but I notice he was the only one you didn't mention when you were listing who you thought should be charged.

Oh and Bama didn't change his views on anything. He merely pointed out it would be stupid to walk out into the parking lot carrying a gun and he is right, it would be.

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Still can't read I see. The person at fault was the one who turned in the false report. I said that carrying like he did was unwise, I never said he was in the wrong. His killing was a travesty brought on by a false report to the police who arrived and based their actions on false information. You clearly missed the part were I said that I didn't carry a new gun out of the box to avoid distress to others, guess that I have the right amount of melanin to make that unwise (I am of mostly German descent).

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Still can't read I see. The person at fault was the one who turned in the false report. I said that carrying like he did was unwise, I never said he was in the wrong. His killing was a travesty brought on by a false report to the police who arrived and based their actions on false information. You clearly missed the part were I said that I didn't carry a new gun out of the box to avoid distress to others, guess that I have the right amount of melanin to make that unwise (I am of mostly German descent).

aren't policemen required a to have better judgment and keeping cool in dangerouse situations? Shouldn't them know better? Ok the man is responsible of manslaughter and probably had a malicious reason (personal or racial) to do what he did, but the cops just decided to kill him way before arriving to the scene, they gave no chance to react they didn't even evaluated the situation.

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Still can't read I see. The person at fault was the one who turned in the false report. I said that carrying like he did was unwise, I never said he was in the wrong. His killing was a travesty brought on by a false report to the police who arrived and based their actions on false information. You clearly missed the part were I said that I didn't carry a new gun out of the box to avoid distress to others, guess that I have the right amount of melanin to make that unwise (I am of mostly German descent).

aren't policemen required a to have better judgment and keeping cool in dangerouse situations? Shouldn't them know better? Ok the man is responsible of manslaughter and probably had a malicious reason (personal or racial) to do what he did, but the cops just decided to kill him way before arriving to the scene, they gave no chance to react they didn't even evaluated the situation.

You discredit everything you had to say by pretending that you know what the cops were thinking before they even got there.

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Still can't read I see. The person at fault was the one who turned in the false report. I said that carrying like he did was unwise, I never said he was in the wrong. His killing was a travesty brought on by a false report to the police who arrived and based their actions on false information. You clearly missed the part were I said that I didn't carry a new gun out of the box to avoid distress to others, guess that I have the right amount of melanin to make that unwise (I am of mostly German descent).

It's just funny how in every circumstance you defend the guy with the gun but now? Not so much. What's different? Certainly not the wisdom of his handling the gun. You defended the idiot who shot someone he couldn't see and even tried to justify the murderer who attacked the rafters.

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

how else would you describe it then...there was absolutely no reason what so ever for the officer to shoot...he never gave the kid a chance...wheres the out rage of his 2nd amendment rights being violated...shit evey time a business announces a no gun policy the nra goes nuts and its members call for boycotts...but a black man get shot and killed carrying a bb gun he picked up off the shelve and not a peep.....so yeah just live in your delusional world that race didnt play a part in this...and what else is funny...people want to make a judgement call on crawford for carrying around a bb gun...but what about walmart for allowing loose stock guns on their shelves to begin with...their just as much at fault in this....

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

how else would you describe it then...there was absolutely no reason what so ever for the officer to shoot...he never gave the kid a chance...wheres the out rage of his 2nd amendment rights being violated...shit evey time a business announces a no gun policy the nra goes nuts and its members call for boycotts...but a black man get shot and killed carrying a bb gun he picked up off the shelve and not a peep.....so yeah just live in your delusional world that race didnt play a part in this...and what else is funny...people want to make a judgement call on crawford for carrying around a bb gun...but what about walmart for allowing loose stock guns on their shelves to begin with...their just as much at fault in this....

Let's see if I can say this simple enough. NOBODY IS BLAMING THE DEAD MAN. When I don't explain how I would have done it better y'all pretend that I would engage in the same tactical flaws that the shooter did. Now that I have said how I would have done it differently you pretend that I am blaming the victim. While he could have handled things better, THIS WAS NOT HIS FAULT, anyone pretending that I am saying it is is either an idiot or a liar. The cops thought they had a nut on the rampage in the Walmart. The guy like Ken who panicked when he saw a "gun" imagined a threat and called in the false report is responsible for this and should be both charged and sued.

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I heard everything else but I didnt hear a gunshot.
Shall we guess when he was shot?

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

how else would you describe it then...there was absolutely no reason what so ever for the officer to shoot...he never gave the kid a chance...wheres the out rage of his 2nd amendment rights being violated...shit evey time a business announces a no gun policy the nra goes nuts and its members call for boycotts...but a black man get shot and killed carrying a bb gun he picked up off the shelve and not a peep.....so yeah just live in your delusional world that race didnt play a part in this...and what else is funny...people want to make a judgement call on crawford for carrying around a bb gun...but what about walmart for allowing loose stock guns on their shelves to begin with...their just as much at fault in this....

Let's see if I can say this simple enough. NOBODY IS BLAMING THE DEAD MAN. When I don't explain how I would have done it better y'all pretend that I would engage in the same tactical flaws that the shooter did. Now that I have said how I would have done it differently you pretend that I am blaming the victim. While he could have handled things better, THIS WAS NOT HIS FAULT, anyone pretending that I am saying it is is either an idiot or a liar. The cops thought they had a nut on the rampage in the Walmart. The guy like Ken who panicked when he saw a "gun" imagined a threat and called in the false report is responsible for this and should be both charged and sued.

lol..ok lets try this again...in the first part of my post i called you out for believing that race didnt play a part in this..i didnt say you blamed crawford...the second part and even yourself said he didnt use wise judgment carrying a gun around the store and while i agree with you on that...the main point i was trying to make is the fact that walmart doesnt keep these guns secured...so yes i put a equal amount of the blame on them as well...

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

how else would you describe it then...there was absolutely no reason what so ever for the officer to shoot...he never gave the kid a chance...wheres the out rage of his 2nd amendment rights being violated...shit evey time a business announces a no gun policy the nra goes nuts and its members call for boycotts...but a black man get shot and killed carrying a bb gun he picked up off the shelve and not a peep.....so yeah just live in your delusional world that race didnt play a part in this...and what else is funny...people want to make a judgement call on crawford for carrying around a bb gun...but what about walmart for allowing loose stock guns on their shelves to begin with...their just as much at fault in this....

Let's see if I can say this simple enough. NOBODY IS BLAMING THE DEAD MAN. When I don't explain how I would have done it better y'all pretend that I would engage in the same tactical flaws that the shooter did. Now that I have said how I would have done it differently you pretend that I am blaming the victim. While he could have handled things better, THIS WAS NOT HIS FAULT, anyone pretending that I am saying it is is either an idiot or a liar. The cops thought they had a nut on the rampage in the Walmart. The guy like Ken who panicked when he saw a "gun" imagined a threat and called in the false report is responsible for this and should be both charged and sued.

lol..ok lets try this again...in the first part of my post i called you out for believing that race didnt play a part in this..i didnt say you blamed crawford...the second part and even yourself said he didnt use wise judgment carrying a gun around the store and while i agree with you on that...the main point i was trying to make is the fact that walmart doesnt keep these guns secured...so yes i put a equal amount of the blame on them as well...

Lets get this straight Walmart does keep guns secured. A sporting goods representative escorts you to the door carrying the firearm in the box. This was a pellet gun and they were not thinking about it being a weapon. An anti gun wacko like some we have on here would panic and make the same call over anything more realistic that a nerf gun. You are comparing apples and oranges.
It wasn't a firearm and thus did not have the security they apply to firearms.

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Even if it had been a real gun Crawford wasn't breaking any law since Ohio has open carry. The 911 caller and all the cops should go to jail.

I understood that it was a pellet rifle, not a bb gun (my sons is both) many pellet rifles can be pumped up to have a muzzle energy equal to a .22. A pure bb gun would not be likely to be mistaken for a "real" gun but many pellet rifles can be.
That doesn't make this any less of a tragedy but it must be remembered that the cop didn't show because of a report that someone was carrying a gun but that he was threatening people. Totally different situation. The fact that the 911 call was a false report does not alter the situation the cop thought he was in.

Did you watch the fucking video? They shot him before he had a chance to comply. Also in a store full of people exactly one person had panicked about Crawford and called 911. Not store management. When the police arrived they didn't contact store management or security and they should have noticed that absolutely no one seemed concerned except the one guy.

I do find your change of tune on guns amusing as hell though. Melanin content counts for a lot in your opinion I guess.

Actually they shot him before he had a change to shoot the kid they thought he was aiming at. As far as they knew he had just loaded the gun and was getting ready to use it. Of course this was all based on the lies of some asshat but I notice he was the only one you didn't mention when you were listing who you thought should be charged.

Oh and Bama didn't change his views on anything. He merely pointed out it would be stupid to walk out into the parking lot carrying a gun and he is right, it would be.

Can't you fucking read dumbass? Try reading my first post again. I bolded part you might find helpful.

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

how else would you describe it then...there was absolutely no reason what so ever for the officer to shoot...he never gave the kid a chance...wheres the out rage of his 2nd amendment rights being violated...shit evey time a business announces a no gun policy the nra goes nuts and its members call for boycotts...but a black man get shot and killed carrying a bb gun he picked up off the shelve and not a peep.....so yeah just live in your delusional world that race didnt play a part in this...and what else is funny...people want to make a judgement call on crawford for carrying around a bb gun...but what about walmart for allowing loose stock guns on their shelves to begin with...their just as much at fault in this....

Let's see if I can say this simple enough. NOBODY IS BLAMING THE DEAD MAN. When I don't explain how I would have done it better y'all pretend that I would engage in the same tactical flaws that the shooter did. Now that I have said how I would have done it differently you pretend that I am blaming the victim. While he could have handled things better, THIS WAS NOT HIS FAULT, anyone pretending that I am saying it is is either an idiot or a liar. The cops thought they had a nut on the rampage in the Walmart. The guy like Ken who panicked when he saw a "gun" imagined a threat and called in the false report is responsible for this and should be both charged and sued.

lol..ok lets try this again...in the first part of my post i called you out for believing that race didnt play a part in this..i didnt say you blamed crawford...the second part and even yourself said he didnt use wise judgment carrying a gun around the store and while i agree with you on that...the main point i was trying to make is the fact that walmart doesnt keep these guns secured...so yes i put a equal amount of the blame on them as well...

Lets get this straight Walmart does keep guns secured. A sporting goods representative escorts you to the door carrying the firearm in the box. This was a pellet gun and they were not thinking about it being a weapon. An anti gun wacko like some we have on here would panic and make the same call over anything more realistic that a nerf gun. You are comparing apples and oranges.
It wasn't a firearm and thus did not have the security they apply to firearms.

you do realize some of these guns shoot over 1300 feet per second...for a gun person i would think youd be outraged by the fact that they leave unsecured high velocity bb/pellet guns lay on their shelves...i dont know how you were taught but i was taught you treat every gun as a loaded gun even bb guns as they were any other fire arm....i find it funny that they keep perfume locked in glass show cases but not bb and pellet guns...

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Ironically this past week I bought a Ruger 10/22.
I was kidding the salesperson and asked if I could just leave the box there and carry the rifle out of the store.
He played along and said it was my gun I could do what I wanted.
Then I got real with him and pointed out that carrying a rifle around on the parking lot might not be wise and no point in disturbing people for no reason.
Even if it is legal to carry open in Ohio what is legal and what is wise are not automatically the same thing.

If you're white, it probably would have been ok. It's not Whitey season yet.

you make a valid point...if crawford would have been white...fox news and the nra would have been outraged.......

So now you guys want to play the race card?

how else would you describe it then...there was absolutely no reason what so ever for the officer to shoot...he never gave the kid a chance...wheres the out rage of his 2nd amendment rights being violated...shit evey time a business announces a no gun policy the nra goes nuts and its members call for boycotts...but a black man get shot and killed carrying a bb gun he picked up off the shelve and not a peep.....so yeah just live in your delusional world that race didnt play a part in this...and what else is funny...people want to make a judgement call on crawford for carrying around a bb gun...but what about walmart for allowing loose stock guns on their shelves to begin with...their just as much at fault in this....

Let's see if I can say this simple enough. NOBODY IS BLAMING THE DEAD MAN. When I don't explain how I would have done it better y'all pretend that I would engage in the same tactical flaws that the shooter did. Now that I have said how I would have done it differently you pretend that I am blaming the victim. While he could have handled things better, THIS WAS NOT HIS FAULT, anyone pretending that I am saying it is is either an idiot or a liar. The cops thought they had a nut on the rampage in the Walmart. The guy like Ken who panicked when he saw a "gun" imagined a threat and called in the false report is responsible for this and should be both charged and sued.

lol..ok lets try this again...in the first part of my post i called you out for believing that race didnt play a part in this..i didnt say you blamed crawford...the second part and even yourself said he didnt use wise judgment carrying a gun around the store and while i agree with you on that...the main point i was trying to make is the fact that walmart doesnt keep these guns secured...so yes i put a equal amount of the blame on them as well...

Lets get this straight Walmart does keep guns secured. A sporting goods representative escorts you to the door carrying the firearm in the box. This was a pellet gun and they were not thinking about it being a weapon. An anti gun wacko like some we have on here would panic and make the same call over anything more realistic that a nerf gun. You are comparing apples and oranges.
It wasn't a firearm and thus did not have the security they apply to firearms.

you do realize some of these guns shoot over 1300 feet per second...for a gun person i would think youd be outraged by the fact that they leave unsecured high velocity bb/pellet guns lay on their shelves...i dont know how you were taught but i was taught you treat every gun as a loaded gun even bb guns as they were any other fire arm....i find it funny that they keep perfume locked in glass show cases but not bb and pellet guns...

You missed the post where I stated that many pellet guns have a muzzle energy equal to a .22.
I have never seen a pellet gun in any of our Walmarts that wasn't in a box.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

This is a fast reply.

Let's get a few things out of the way...

The 911 caller was clearly lying about him pointing the gun at people, it did not appear that he did at any time. The caller may have believed that he was loading the weapon, tough call on that, but if he was messing with the gun in a way that looked like he could be loading it... well then, he wasn't wrong to report that.

Why the fuck does Walmart allow people to carry any type of projectile firing weapon around their store without a box? In most stores that sell firearms, is it not policy when you carry the weapon out of the store that it is in a container/box? I am asking because I do not know. Is it also not their policy that any weapon being purchased cannot be taken out of the area where firearms are sold?

You see a person, walking around with a weapon in their hands, inside a public place, in an area of the store where guns are not being sold, I would call the cops too. Believe me, I am not going to try and get close enough to determine if it is a BB/pellet/real bullets gun or not. That this happened is not surprising at all given that he was handling the weapon.

It is a little sketchy what the police did exactly to get him to drop the gun before they fired. The guy did begin to raise the weapon a little. Split seconds to decide... you make the call because I sure as fuck wouldn't want to. They had some bad information from the caller, but the guy did have a weapon... what the hell are they supposed to do? Walk up to him and ask him nicely if that is a real gun and if he intends to shoot someone with it? They had to assume the worst given the information they had... a guy, loading and pointing a weapon at people.

Yes, the guy they shot was innocent of any wrongdoing. However, he didn't use his head either and handling a gun, in public, could get you shot, either by the police or another person.

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

This is a fast reply.

Let's get a few things out of the way...

The 911 caller was clearly lying about him pointing the gun at people, it did not appear that he did at any time. The caller may have believed that he was loading the weapon, tough call on that, but if he was messing with the gun in a way that looked like he could be loading it... well then, he wasn't wrong to report that.

Why the fuck does Walmart allow people to carry any type of projectile firing weapon around their store without a box? In most stores that sell firearms, is it not policy when you carry the weapon out of the store that it is in a container/box? I am asking because I do not know. Is it also not their policy that any weapon being purchased cannot be taken out of the area where firearms are sold?

You see a person, walking around with a weapon in their hands, inside a public place, in an area of the store where guns are not being sold, I would call the cops too. Believe me, I am not going to try and get close enough to determine if it is a BB/pellet/real bullets gun or not. That this happened is not surprising at all given that he was handling the weapon.

It is a little sketchy what the police did exactly to get him to drop the gun before they fired. The guy did begin to raise the weapon a little. Split seconds to decide... you make the call because I sure as fuck wouldn't want to. They had some bad information from the caller, but the guy did have a weapon... what the hell are they supposed to do? Walk up to him and ask him nicely if that is a real gun and if he intends to shoot someone with it? They had to assume the worst given the information they had... a guy, loading and pointing a weapon at people.

Yes, the guy they shot was innocent of any wrongdoing. However, he didn't use his head either and handling a gun, in public, could get you shot, either by the police or another person.

I was wondering the same thing, why wasn't this in a box? I can't remember ever seeing any sort of gun, BB or otherwise, just sitting out on a shelf that way.

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ORIGINAL: steelchip

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ORIGINAL: thirdwheelwanted
I was wondering the same thing, why wasn't this in a box? I can't remember ever seeing any sort of gun, BB or otherwise, just sitting out on a shelf that way.

there like that all the time around here...