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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 4:16:38 PM   
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the guy was a muslim for how long? one week right? than or he had a damascene conversion or what he just had a need for violence and the same ideas about islam subrosadom has. So cut the crap and be glad he had no AR15.


He converted in jail. And he has pictures of him at the Mosque affiliated with other terrorist operations, like the Boston Bombing brothers.

Source?



Source......... As if that would happen. No doubt Aylee will provide a link to another site that doesnt provide proof.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 4:31:25 PM   
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Well they don't obey all of it. There are huge giant swaths of it that they do not obey. And it also depends on what kind of Jew you are talking about. However, I will note, that converting from Judaism to another religion is not met with a death sentence. Neither is marrying a goy.


So what you are suggesting is that all Muslims obey all of the Koran, but not all Jews obey the Torah ?

Do you see where I am going with this.

As an aside, I spent a pleasant day in idabel last time I was in Arkansas. Nice town, nice people, nice food.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 4:47:03 PM   
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Are you so biased that you have to go after guns in an incident where the only gun was what stopped the violence. You can't even say well it wouldn't have happened if the bad guy couldn't get a gun.


It seems you don't get english so maybe italian will work better: cristo santo! Non ho dato la colpa a nessuna pistola, ho solo detto che almeno non aveva un attrezzo più efficace. Adesso vai a tirarti una sega davanti alla tua collezione di pistole e piantala.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 4:49:12 PM   
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Are you so biased that you have to go after guns in an incident where the only gun was what stopped the violence. You can't even say well it wouldn't have happened if the bad guy couldn't get a gun.


It seems you don't get english so maybe italian will work better: cristo santo! Non ho dato la colpa a nessuna pistola, ho solo detto che almeno non aveva un attrezzo più efficace. Adesso vai a tirarti una sega davanti alla tua collezione di pistole e piantala.

And maybe you can understand my response if I say it in Arabic ante belleed

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 5:01:45 PM   
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Well they don't obey all of it. There are huge giant swaths of it that they do not obey. And it also depends on what kind of Jew you are talking about. However, I will note, that converting from Judaism to another religion is not met with a death sentence. Neither is marrying a goy.


So what you are suggesting is that all Muslims obey all of the Koran, but not all Jews obey the Torah ?

Do you see where I am going with this.

As an aside, I spent a pleasant day in idabel last time I was in Arkansas. Nice town, nice people, nice food.




Well, you ass, the temple has been destroyed. That means that ALL of the rules pertaining to the temple are not in effect. Oh, and WHO destroyed the temple? Have you EVER heard of the Western Wall? Why don't you rub it in their faces a bit MORE why they cannot fulfill all of their commandments. Insensitive much?

I will say that if the temple is ever restored it is highly unlikely that animal sacrifice will return. That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 5:04:04 PM   
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The news just reported that Nolan had tried to convert many coworkers to Islam. This is starting to make a little more sense, not less deplorable, but a little more sense. I am confident that his efforts to convert others was met with a great deal of ridicule followed by total alienation, and odds are very good there were a few very nasty confrontations by family members of the people he attempted to convert. This justifies nothing. Oklahoma is the buckle of the Bible Belt and the majority of its residence are or belligerently ignorant and very susceptible to propaganda, making Islam the "DEVIL".


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/breaking-beheading-suspect-alton-nolenjahkeem-yisrael-fired-after-argument-over-stoning-women


Yeah, how DARE someone argue with him about stoning women and then fire him!



Oh look! International ties.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/26/OKC-Killer-Linked-Through-Imam-to-Al-Qaeda-Leader-Awlaki


Try using a proper source for once, one that uses fact and not conjecture. I know thats a bit difficult for you to accept as a concept.



Attack the source. How very. . . society of the very very very sensitive of you.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 5:07:46 PM   
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Well they don't obey all of it. There are huge giant swaths of it that they do not obey. And it also depends on what kind of Jew you are talking about. However, I will note, that converting from Judaism to another religion is not met with a death sentence. Neither is marrying a goy.


So what you are suggesting is that all Muslims obey all of the Koran, but not all Jews obey the Torah ?

Do you see where I am going with this.

As an aside, I spent a pleasant day in idabel last time I was in Arkansas. Nice town, nice people, nice food.




Well, you ass, the temple has been destroyed. That means that ALL of the rules pertaining to the temple are not in effect. Oh, and WHO destroyed the temple? Have you EVER heard of the Western Wall? Why don't you rub it in their faces a bit MORE why they cannot fulfill all of their commandments. Insensitive much?

I will say that if the temple is ever restored it is highly unlikely that animal sacrifice will return. That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.



Yada yada yada....... Try answering the question for a change.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 5:15:31 PM   
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Attack the source. How very. . . society of the very very very sensitive of you.


I am not only attacking the source, I am attacking the source your source is using. A gazette that doesnt have a web site for anyone to check, as stated in your very very very very unreliable source. The same bullshit you take as Gospel.

Try reading this.......... Some of the crap from a man you claim has international connections.

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“Ima Tell You Off Top Im Not Your Friend My Friends Are At The Mosque All Around The World,” he wrote in a description of himself. “Im an Muslim from the Tribe of Judah who Was Pretty Much Raised In Killeen Texas. My Ancestors Who Are The True Jews Here In America Today Are Originally From Israel. They Were Bombed Outta Israel By The Roman Catholic Army So They Fled To Egypt And The Afrikans Sold Us To The White Man As Slaves Along With Any Other Black Person Here In Amerika Today Aka The True Jews From Israel. Our Ancestors Are Originally From Israel. Were Not from Afrika.”


He makes sense doesn`t he, an obvious candidate for an International Terrorist of the year.

I am guessing you havent even bothered to read the press release from the local Mosque, we wouldnt want that to prejudice your prejudice, would we ?

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 5:40:37 PM   
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Oh, and WHO destroyed the temple?

The Romans, no?

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 5:46:22 PM   
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That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.

In terms of women driving, you appear to be equating Islam with Saudi Arabia.

Saudi women got behind the wheel on Saturday as part of the Women2Drive campaign. Activists have published more than a dozen videos on YouTube showing women driving in defiance of the decades-long "ban," which makes the oil-producing kingdom the world's only country where women are not allowed to drive.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.554642

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 8:35:00 PM   
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Oh, and WHO destroyed the temple?

The Romans, no?


Yep. Then the Muslims built over it and continue to mock the Jews by calling the only remaining part, The Western Wall, The Wailing Wall.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 8:37:06 PM   
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That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.

In terms of women driving, you appear to be equating Islam with Saudi Arabia.

Saudi women got behind the wheel on Saturday as part of the Women2Drive campaign. Activists have published more than a dozen videos on YouTube showing women driving in defiance of the decades-long "ban," which makes the oil-producing kingdom the world's only country where women are not allowed to drive.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.554642


Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state

Has been, for a long time

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 8:38:44 PM   
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Well they don't obey all of it. There are huge giant swaths of it that they do not obey. And it also depends on what kind of Jew you are talking about. However, I will note, that converting from Judaism to another religion is not met with a death sentence. Neither is marrying a goy.


So what you are suggesting is that all Muslims obey all of the Koran, but not all Jews obey the Torah ?

Do you see where I am going with this.

As an aside, I spent a pleasant day in idabel last time I was in Arkansas. Nice town, nice people, nice food.




Well, you ass, the temple has been destroyed. That means that ALL of the rules pertaining to the temple are not in effect. Oh, and WHO destroyed the temple? Have you EVER heard of the Western Wall? Why don't you rub it in their faces a bit MORE why they cannot fulfill all of their commandments. Insensitive much?

I will say that if the temple is ever restored it is highly unlikely that animal sacrifice will return. That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.



Yada yada yada....... Try answering the question for a change.


The answer is, No, the Jews can NOT follow all of the commandments because they have NO temple. (And to continually point out that they are bad Jews for not following all of their commandments due to this is rather insensitive.)

And different sects follow different numbers of the rules that they are ABLE to follow.

The one rule they do follow is citizenship before religion.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 8:41:55 PM   
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That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.

In terms of women driving, you appear to be equating Islam with Saudi Arabia.

Saudi women got behind the wheel on Saturday as part of the Women2Drive campaign. Activists have published more than a dozen videos on YouTube showing women driving in defiance of the decades-long "ban," which makes the oil-producing kingdom the world's only country where women are not allowed to drive.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.554642


KSA is governed by Islam, so yeah, you can pretty much equate them. I was just giving a couple of examples. I could also point out the number of Islamic countries where homosexuality receives a death sentence.

Remember, Islam is a political, social, and religious system.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 8:54:09 PM   
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KSA is governed by Islam, so yeah, you can pretty much equate them.

Saudia Arabia isn't even among the top ten countries in terms of Muslim population (source). Taking it as totally emblematic of a global religion with a billion adherents and at least three major divisions strikes me as intellectually sloppy. But then, my standards are high.


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I could also point out the number of Islamic countries where homosexuality receives a death sentence.

Indeed you could. But the only new information you'd provide me with would be about your posting style.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 9:46:40 PM   
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I will say that if the temple is ever restored it is highly unlikely that animal sacrifice will return. That whole, "evolve" thing. Which Islam does not get. Which is why they do not allow women to drive and flog rape victims.

Every one of my friend Mohammed's female relatives, that I've met, drives.

It's only the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia that don't let women drive.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/27/2014 9:49:56 PM   
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The answer is, No, the Jews can NOT follow all of the commandments because they have NO temple. (And to continually point out that they are bad Jews for not following all of their commandments due to this is rather insensitive.)

And different sects follow different numbers of the rules that they are ABLE to follow.

The one rule they do follow is citizenship before religion.

There are 10 Commandments and they can be followed whether there is a Temple or not.

There are 600+ Mosaic laws and those are the ones that cannot all be obeyed if there is no Temple and if you talk to any rabbi he will tell you it is impossible to obey them all but it is important for a Jew to obey as many as they can.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/28/2014 1:46:11 AM   
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This is really a simple, clear difference. All people of all religions commit crimes. Muslims commit horrid crimes and justify them specifically using the Quran and the Hadiths. Imams often approve. When's the last time the Pope said a pedophile priest was carrying out Jesus's mission. You guys invert cause and effect.

That would have been quite recently actually.
Statements by Catholic priests, priest is the equivalent of iman not pope, excusing pedophile behavior:
http://fox4kc.com/2014/06/10/archbishop-said-in-deposition-that-he-didnt-know-if-sex-with-child-was-a-crime/
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/21/opinion/la-ed-abuse-20110521
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/note-fr-groeschel-it-wasnt-kids-fault

And here is the previous pope saying that pedophilia was ok up until the 1970's
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pope-benedict-declares-pedophilia-was-n


Ken, you and I don't often agree, but that is some seriously sick shit you posted. Didn't know it was a crime? Are you fucking kidding me?

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/28/2014 2:08:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

This is really a simple, clear difference. All people of all religions commit crimes. Muslims commit horrid crimes and justify them specifically using the Quran and the Hadiths. Imams often approve. When's the last time the Pope said a pedophile priest was carrying out Jesus's mission. You guys invert cause and effect.

That would have been quite recently actually.
Statements by Catholic priests, priest is the equivalent of iman not pope, excusing pedophile behavior:
http://fox4kc.com/2014/06/10/archbishop-said-in-deposition-that-he-didnt-know-if-sex-with-child-was-a-crime/
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/21/opinion/la-ed-abuse-20110521
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/note-fr-groeschel-it-wasnt-kids-fault

And here is the previous pope saying that pedophilia was ok up until the 1970's
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pope-benedict-declares-pedophilia-was-n


Ken, you and I don't often agree, but that is some seriously sick shit you posted. Didn't know it was a crime? Are you fucking kidding me?

Those were just the ones I could easily turn up. Some cardinal once claimed that much of the sex abuse was pederasty not pedophilia so that wasn't as bad. But I couldn't find a link for it.

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RE: Oklahoma beheading - 9/28/2014 4:49:56 AM   
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The answer is, No, the Jews can NOT follow all of the commandments because they have NO temple. (And to continually point out that they are bad Jews for not following all of their commandments due to this is rather insensitive.)

And different sects follow different numbers of the rules that they are ABLE to follow.

The one rule they do follow is citizenship before religion.


How absurd of you to make this about Jerusalem. It seems to me you forget your own words, how convenient of you.

Well they don't obey all of it. There are huge giant swaths of it that they do not obey. And it also depends on what kind of Jew you are talking about.

Seems to me you are making a generalisation about the Jewish people in general, so to introduce a strawman like you have is foolish.

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