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LadyHugs -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 9:39:16 AM)

Dear SusanofO, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am not fond of all forms of begging.  I prefer my slaves to make it more as a request for my consideration.
 
Now, in the old style protocol, where the words; "I beg your [insert words; leave, attention, pardon, permission, etc.,]" is something that warms my dominant heart.  Done with respect and keeping the line of authority and submission confirmed.  I am also fond of the word usage of, "By your command, By your will, With your leave, etc."  Which still supports the protocol, discipline, respect and the D/s dynamic.
 
Silly pretty please and sugar the words as to be sarcastic and such, is a huge turn off for me. 
 
In a Sadist-Masochistic exchange, having a fist full of slave flesh and have them beg and whimper is enjoyable or a finger's pinch of flesh to see the facial expressions of pain and discomfort is equally as nice.
Yet, the range of my skills into the sensual art of S&M, to have purrings, soft moans and the body dance with whip caresses are equally as nice.  But, the begging is usually through body language and not always supported with words.  When a lass thrusts her chest forward when single tailing them with the other single tail over the pubic area, that to me is begging.  No different than screaming 'please I beg you.'  Eyes beg as well.  So, to me there are many forms of begging in my mind's eye.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 10:15:14 AM)

Susan, I have a love/hate relationship with begging. You mentioned about being non-verbal in subspace, and I can so relate to that.

When my partner knows how physically hard it is for me to get the words out, but insists I do it anyway, it sends me into an emotional tailspin of frustration, mixed with an almost unbearable desire to please.

A dominant who is willing to press me on this, is one who knows that I really don't want submission to always be effortless and easy. Sometimes I want to struggle...and win. And when I get those words out, we both win.

It's raw, and revealing, and enforces the authority flow in a very visceral way.

Of course, it can also have the effect of drawing me out of subspace a bit, and that's like having the covers torn off on a cool morning, when one is dozing peacefully.

I sometimes hate it, occasionally resent it, but I can't imagine being with someone who would never make me beg.

My last word on the subject is this, though: A little can go a loooong way. Overdo it, and it just loses its power.




Sub03 -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 10:51:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: txpet

There are some things that i have no problem begging for and others that i find it very difficult to beg for.
i have no problem with saying "please" repeatedly but sometimes i have a very hard time saying what the action i want to do is.



Same here....I love to beg and my Master loves to hear it but I have a hard time actually saying what I want. Sometimes he will make me say it, sometimes not.




popeye1250 -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 11:08:07 AM)

I really like it myself!
Sometimes when a sub is in bondage and right before I gag her (Penis gag with breathing hole) I'll say "Now, you won't even be able to beg me" and then I engage in an hour or two of orgasm denial with a wand vibrator.
A sub can also beg with her eyes you know!




juliaoceania -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 11:09:06 AM)

My kinks are so Dom specific that it depends on who is domming me. For example my former dom loved it when I begged in the soft pleading voice. It drove me wild at the time. Now it doesn't do much for me because....

my present Dom doesn't like it. Knowing he doesn't really enjoy it killed my enjoyment of it. Now he does like me to be whiney on ocassion and slightly bratty in a silly sorta fun loving way And in some ways it is like a petulant sort of begging. Now that is something I am processing and it is starting to really arouse me because I know he enjoys it. It is also fun as a role play of sorts because this is not my general personality.




songofeire -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 12:01:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

This isn't really a poll, or I'd put it in the Polls and Other Random Stupidity section.
I am simply wondering how many Dominants or Masters and submissives or slaves and Switches out there enjoy (or dislike) this realm of bdsm.

When I speak of begging - I am not talking about whining, annoying requests.

I am speaking of the soft, sweet pleading for someone to allow someone else to do something, or for someone to stop doing something to someone (discipline, maybe)?

I know some people equate this with humiliation, but that comparison has just never computed for me, especially since I deeply trusted the person I was with when I engaged in this. I always thought of begging as simple, deep power exchange, mostly in verbal terms.

*In case anyone hasn't already guessed, I am a huge fan of this (but am also seeking honest comments about why people love it, hate it, or are indifferent to it. Or, perhaps, have never tried it).

Any comments? Who likes it? (or hates it) and why? Just curious...really.

I wanted to post a new question, and also have been curious about why other people like it, or not. As for me, I can honestly say it makes me feel like I am fully in another's hands, so to speak. That, plus, the person I was with at one time really appreciated it when I did it. But I fantasized about it before that, too.
But I certainly can understand why some might not appreciate it, I really can.

- Susan


You can put me in the "likes begging" column in your unofficial poll.

This will make sense as I now reveal that I am the " Major Marin Masochist Mother Matron Complete Sweetie" mentioned by my good friend, Doctor Dubious, in his post on this subject. He is wildly prejudiced on my behalf, but I love it. He suggested to me that I post here on the subject, so here it is.

For me, there is a delicious frisson of fear and excitement when I am with a new-to-me Dominant and all the talking finally stops, and I am waiting to find out in fact, rather than fiction, how he will use me.

The time I was telling Doctor Dubious about happened years ago. I had flown from Washington state where I was living at the time down to San Diego, to meet a Dominant with whom I had been talking for some months. He met me at the airport and gave me a tour of the city, then took me home and barbecued salmon ...all very vanilla, all very suspenseful to me, somehow.
After a long leisurely dinner, during which I had resigned myself to the obvious conclusion that he didn't want to play with me, after all...he put his hand on my arm and announced that he was going to spank me, now. I was instantly plunged into the aforesaid fear and excitement as well as confusion and longing and obedience and all those good things. I undressed as asked and lay across the corner of his bed and he sort of perched beside me, and started to rub my tush...and then, slowly, slowly, he began.
It was so slow and gentle for so long that I lost my initial fears and began, instead, to wonder if perhaps I should knit while he spanked me, just to keep from being bored...but slowly, inexorably, it escalated, more and more till I had to put down my mental knitting and instead focus on accepting, on relaxing, on absorbing, on letting go......and still he kept on and on, until it reached a place of intensity where I could no longer contain it or accept it and began to think that perhaps I should pack my bags and go home...and still he kept upping the ante till finally I begged him to stop.....please please, crying, begging...not a safeword, not taking back control, just begging.....
And he did....and bent over me, and rubbed my tush and whispered sweet things in my ear like what a very very good girl I was and how very pleased he was and all those things one so needs to hear just then, and my body lost its tension and I forgot all about how I had wanted him to stop and knew with all my heart that I needed him to do it again and so, whispering, I begged him for more ...and he told me how happy that made him, and started in again...once again so slowly....perhaps not quite so slowly, but very slowly, and once again he gradually escalated....and this time went quite far beyond the point where I had begged him to stop the previous time...and because I had learned that I was ok there, it was much later that I had to beg him to stop again, and of course, he did.....and once again he rubbed me and whispered to me and once again, I begged for more.....and this time we went even further, and the next time further, and further and further, over and over, begging him to stop, begging him to start, till I had not only absorbed a beating that was far beyond my previous experience, but I had loved it, and I remember it still, after 8 years.
So yes, I believe the begging added hugely to the intensity of the scene, for both of us.
I believe the implication of begging is surrender. One admits, in begging, that the answer could well be no, and that if so, one will accept it. It is in no way a demand, or a grasping for power. It is giving voice to the reality that one has reliquished power.

Rosemary, the newly-named Marin Masochist <grin>




Lashra -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 12:30:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Yes nagging and whining are a big NO- in the cases of we more refined beggars anyway. [:D]

- Susan

Excellent point, it is the whining that I cannot tolerate. I find it a total turn off, but refined begging can go a long way. [;)]

~Lashra




CreativeDominant -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 12:47:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Yes, I haven't really come out and said what that is, come to think of it.
Just - "Please, (wrap my arms around his ankles, and/or hug his back longingly)...please, please...you know how much I would do for you...please,please..."etc. But - not one word about "please" - what. He never made me say it, just stared and smiled a lot for awhile, and then, when he was good and ready, did what I pleaded for him to do.
- Susan


MMMMMMMMMMM...see, I love that kind of begging where the "what" is desired is verbalized.  When the submissive starts to say "please?.." and then leaves out the "what", I love telling them quietly that I have absolutely no idea what it is they want...they are going to have to tell me.  An affirmation of power, a recognition of the begging, and the good humiliation of having to verbalize what wicked/nasty/dirty thing it is that they want.

I find that, when done right, it leads to an enhancement of the D/s portion of the scene that is taking place.  In other areas outside of "play" activity, it can also enhance the D/s relationship though I use it in a different way and much less often.




JessieMe -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 1:06:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

Another yes vote for you, I love to hear my slave as she is writhing in her ropes, begging for the release of orgasm as I tease and torture her. Over the last few months I have been working on enlarging her nipples and clitoris by suction and they are all very sensitive. All I have to do is lightly touch them anymore and it gets her excited, then I just sit back and play with them until she is pleading with me to allow her to orgasm.


Ok when I wrote my original posting for this question I wasnt EVEN thinking about begging for orgasms.. THAT is a wonderous thing for me to do.. Hell I will even SING for an orgasm if need be LOL




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 2:35:16 PM)

<makes note>

Jessie begs 4 orgasms = YES!!!! [:D]




Slipstreme -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 5:52:52 PM)

On the giving:
I love hearing someone beg for permission, usually for sexual release, because I am teasing the crap out of them. My slave is slowly learning this. *WEG*

I love playing with the extremes in emotional/ physical experience. So the begging usually happens because I have reached one extreme and the bottom can't stand it anymore.
.................................................
On the recieving:

For me, "begging to stop", usually occurs in a series of very determined, involuntary hisses and threats, that (considering I am rarely bound) may turn into me pivoting and glaring, if not attacking. Although I often find myself resenting doing it after the scene. (The masochist inside keeps wanting to go further. Go figure :P)




IronBear -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 6:20:18 PM)

There is nothing more appealing to me than a naked slave kneeling at my feet and begging.... 




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 6:28:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

There is nothing more appealing to me than a naked slave kneeling at my feet and begging.... 


And I think there's almost nothing more appealling to BE than a naked sub, kneeling and begging, at a dom's feet. Go figure, IB!




hisforever -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 6:57:40 PM)

That spanking story made me a bit warm *fans herself*
my Husband on two occasions has told me to beg for something I REALLY didnt want.  He wanted the humiliation of it.  i get that, but...I didnt know what to say!  I know he loves it, but I just freeze and dont know what to do LOL  i know, i'm a dork LOL




wandering4u -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 7:08:21 PM)

A sub begging for release...nothing better.




Mavis -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 10:41:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

It's lovely to have begging as an affirmation of a need.

Especially when it's something rather humiliating, that a girl has a love/hate thing with.


LOL.  ok, that's kinda nailed why i didn't want to jump into this thread. 

i have probs with begging.  i think i'm just no good at it.  i've been trying to get a pool for six years, and no amount of logic, cojoling, or begging has changed His mind that a pool will just be a pain in His rear.


"i can set it up myself, i can pay for it myself, i will maintain it, it's good for health, i just waaaant it, please, please,please, i'll bake pies every day i use it, and,and, after it's all rolled up, i'll re-seed the grass.. and i'll mow the grass!  yes, and ooooooh, i'll be so taaan, and it'll look just like You like... and i'll bring my weights so i can do my arms while i'm tanning and, and .."


Oh hell.  i need beg training.   One of the things that makes me a very good slave is my black and white mentaility.   i'll do, because i agreed to do, etc.  But this fluffy stuff..  it has no logic to it.  It's appealing to whims and caprice. 

How do you know when you're actually trying to circumvent the expressed wishes of the Dominant?  Either He's said yes, in which case there is no need to beg, or He's said no, in which case there is no right to be begging.  

(so why do we do it, and why do they want us to??)

i think i can't beg very well because in my mind, it's never "right".  But i can clearly see it has great appeal to most Leads.

i guess my only addition to this thread is to ask more questions. [&:]




SusanofO -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/12/2006 10:50:47 PM)

I usually did it because he enjoyed it when I did it (one time I did it because I wanted something I knew he didn't care about doing). I agree it's whimsical and maybe that's because (to me) it's based on my need and my frame of mind. I can really throw myself into it, but it's not like I am concentrating on it when I do it. I just sort of slide into it, or something.

By the time I am revved up to have the first "please" come out of my mouth, I've mentally already been in a "begging mentality" for a few minutes, at least. I am not sure what would happen if someone insisted I beg for something within 10 seconds of making that demand, or for something I didn't want as well. It hasn't happened. I am not sure I'd be very good at that. Maybe I could "fake it" - hard to say.

- Susan




enigmabrat -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/13/2006 12:11:12 AM)

honestly I CANT beg in subspace when  I get into subspace I seem to lose my voice its been a big problem for me to the point that one Dom I played with needed to derive some sort of sign systom for me so yeah I dont beg




srllile7 -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/13/2006 3:42:07 AM)


I am completely new at the whole begging thing. Well at almost the hole thing but still on the topic of begging. I still feel really out of place when doing it, it awkward and I have yet to decide if I like it or not. At this point the whole verbalizing what I want is the hindrance I think. I still have a problem begging or even saying I want something it’s the love hate that Caretakr mentioned for me. I want it but I do find it embarrassing to ask for a lot of stuff and even more embarrassing to beg for orgasms to stop, I never thought those words would come out of my mouth hehehe.




BelleAnne44 -> RE: How many enjoy begging? (7/13/2006 4:33:58 AM)

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Srllile said....I am completely new at the whole begging thing. Well at almost the hole thing but still on the topic of begging. I still feel really out of place when doing it, it awkward and I have yet to decide if I like it or not. At this point the whole verbalizing what I want is the hindrance I think. I still have a problem begging or even saying I want something it’s the love hate that Caretakr mentioned for me. I want it but I do find it embarrassing to ask for a lot of stuff


I'm so there.  It is so hard for me to even think of what to say... I'm so literal that it takes me out of my body and into my head.   I wish I could do it better, because a Dom I play with loves it...he knows it humiliates me to no end and flusters me. 

He'll wait till I'm on the edge and then make me verbalize exactly what I want...who I am....he flips me out of my body with it for orgasm control.  But eventually I get to a place where I don't care what the heck I have to do for permission to cum, and the begging flows like water over a bursted dam.....there's no more humiliation...just pure unadulterated begging for release with every cell in my body.  I think I need him so completely in that moment ....more than any other....hmmm....smart man. [;)]

But at the start....it just kills me trying to come up with words that don't sound really dumb to me.




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