joether
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Let's start with what Mr. West posted on his Facebook:
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Morning folks. While you were sleeping, Barack Hussein Obama took out his pen and ordered our Military to enlist illegal aliens. In other words, this charlatan has allowed those who have disrespected our Constitution and are not citizens to take an oath to support and defend the very document, our rule of law, of which they are in violation. Obama has no constitutional authority to make any laws or rules concerning naturalization as stated in Art I Sect 8 Clause 4. This is an illegal order and should not be followed by our Military. As well, we are pink-slipping men and women in uniform, Americans, and Obama wants to enlist illegals. We are already outsourcing our national security to Syrian Islamists. This is intolerable and just another reason why we must flip the Senate and begin to reverse Obama's tyranny. Any Democrat supporting this illegal order needs to be voted out!
And what is wrong with all of this you ask? Well, several things. The ones getting pink slipped is due to Congress's inability to get shit done in a timely manner. Funny how no conservatives are pissed at conservative lawmakers in office right now isn't it? Second, the law Mr. West is foolishly ignorant on was created in 2006. Which means two things. Either, A ) Mr. West is uninformed on the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) or B ) his conservative readers are total idiots that accept what he states without question or hesistation as truth/fact. And since it was on FOX News, it has to be true, right? Because FOX News would...NEVER....tell total lies to advance the GOP/TP base during an election year.....
My opinion is its option C: A combination of 'A' and 'B' options above.
Must you lie?
Where did I lie? Is Mr. Allen West not a real person? Did he not post the quote on facebook? The 'facts' of his 'arguments' his own?
Why you say 'you lie' it implies giving evidence to explain the lie. Also, a lie implies the person knows the truth of the subject matter. I never stated Mr. West lied. That he got his information wrong in making a political attack on the President should be noted. That I say FOX News lies is like saying water is made up of H2O. And that both are easy to prove with proper research.
It is amusing to see that your so conditioned to assume things based on little or no evidence to support your argument. Did you get your 'Low Information Voter' card updated yet?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Here is a link from the Military Times discussing the timeline of this expansion.
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140925/NEWS05/309250074/DoD-policy-will-allow-some-immigrants-U-S-illegally-serve
You did, read this article right? The information is nearly the same as the one Media Matters has on its site. In fact, Media Matters is citing that source above. You would know that if you had...CHECKED THE INFORMATION...under 'noted'. You'll find the link in the 3rd sentence of the 3rd paragraph on the Media Matters site.
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But let's face it, you will probably attack this source as well.
Why should I? Again, you have an argument but you have no information to support the notion. Why would I attack a source of information that my source of information is not only using, but agreeing on? And that both sources show that Mr. West is not only wrong, but his supporters are too dumb to check reality and instead, accept a wild fantasy.
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A small number of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally will have an opportunity to join the military for the first time in decades under a new Defense Department policy unveiled Thursday.
Where does it state in the Media Matters or the Military Times articles that 'illegal' aliens will be allowed to join the US Military and become citizens? Go ahead and cite the actual line in either article. Your going to find that 'illegal' in reference to 'becoming a US Citizen' comes up....ONCE...on the Media Matter site. You know where? You would if you ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE! Its something Mr. West states. And in the Military Times? Three times: A ) The articles name B ) The first sentence and C ) Under the 'Most Popular' section "DoD Policy will allow some immigrants in the U.S. illegally to serve" (which leads straight to the same article).
In other words, not only did you not bother to read either article, but assume a vast amount of stuff with no evidence. Your like one of those people at a football game that doesn't know the rules to the game, the players, the teams, or much history related to any of them. Your there to 'cheer' on the team your boyfriend/girlfriend/lover/spouse/friends are cheering on; and hoping no one notices. Anyone that questions you seriously will find your full of shit. Unlike a football game in which most are happy to have more people there; in a discussion group, there is an expectation to actually do some research. The amount of time spend researching this subject? About two minutes. Much of that taken up by loading speeds on your internet!
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For the first time, the program — known as Military Accessions Vital to National Interest, or MAVNI — will be open to immigrants without a proper visa if they came to the U.S. with their parents before age 16. More specifically, they must be approved under a 2012 Obama administration policy known as Deferred Action for Child Arrivals, or DACA.
You have no idea what all this means, right? The MAVNI is not being use to do an 'end run around the justice system' for someone that is not a US Citizen to gain US Citizenship. Its purpose is stated quite clearly. And that its been around since 2006. The 'illegal' part comes up with conservatives not understanding how our justice system works. Which is laughable since its been around longer than all of them! When someone is arrested for a crime, are they guilty at the time of arrest? To anyone that attended high school would know, the answer is 'no' (in fact you would have learned this back in the 4th grade). A person is only guilty of a crime if they are found so in a court of law by a judge or by a jury. You have heard of the US Constitution, right? A document that all other laws and such are based upon? So if an 'illegal' entered the US Military and performed to be given an honorable discharge, they can apply for citizenship. Why? You should really read the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.
The difference between what I have and you is simple: I back up my arguments with FACTS, EVIDENCE, and legitimate SOURCES. You just have attitude problems. Just a typical conservative 'Low Information Voter'.....
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