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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/1/2014 6:22:02 PM   
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Some interesting notes about Media Matters, the organization which Joe claims is keeping things straight. That would make them "fair", right? Even if backed by the left, if they're TRUTHFUL, then that means they don't lie or distort.

from Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/16/media-matters-targets-revealed-business-wealth-christianity/

from National Review: http://m.nationalreview.com/articles/222389/real-media-matters/byron-york

from the Spectator: http://spectator.org/articles/36028/media-matters-obamas-watergate

from JawaReport: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199317.php

from NewsBusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/22/media-matters-wont-apologize-spreading-fake-limbaugh-slavery-quote

from Front Page Magazine: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/jlaksin/media-matters-exposed/

from Canada Free Press: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/media-matters-lies-again-this-time-about-obama-intimidating-supreme-court

from Discover the Networks: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/mediamattersagendasandactivities.html


How dumb are you? Are you not able to understand that each of your 'examples' comes from a conservative media source? You can tell the difference between a liberal and conservative media source, right? Of course you can. So let me hit you with the very next logical question that you....SHOULD HAVE....asked before making your post: What would these conservative media sources gain, using the same information as FOX News, by trying to eliminate the credibility of Media Matters?

Since time and again, these forums, like the rest of the nation, have seen examples from each of these publications that have no only lied, but shown they knew the facts and didn't report then since it 'undermined the cause'! When a media source lies about something, its up to people, regardless of their political viewpoints, to hold that media organization accountable and responsible. When the liberal ones have posted information that didn't hold up to scrutiny, they have taken responsibility. They explain what they reported, what errors took place, and an apology. Why do you think so many people laughed at FOX News in the 2012 election? That Karl Rove forced Megan Kelly to walk down and chat to the experts on the election results? Because all the time before, FOX News used 'evidence', 'experts', and 'reliable data' to show that Mitt Romney was not only going to win, but it would be (to quote FOX News) "A Landslide Win!".

You have display many examples in the past of not being able to tell the difference between 'journalistic news' and 'propaganda news'. And that's your problem.

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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/1/2014 6:38:06 PM   
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Not only do you lie, you attribute to me, lines from the article.


Where did I lie? That Mr. West made a stupid comment in an attempt to slam the President? That the law the President is using was created and place into law in 2006? Was Mr. Obama president in 2006?

When you call out someone for lying, its generally accepted practice to place some....EVIDENCE....to show as proof. You have not done this. Instead, in true 'childish fashion' so typical of you, you say 'you lied' and nothing more.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
DACA is 2012, btw, since you do not seem to understand that.


And that could not come into place without....AN EXISTING LAW....which was created in 2006. You did read this stuff right? Your not a total idiot, right?

However, the DACA is at best a temporary fix to an even larger problem that Congress is unable to fix: Immigration.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
And how did I KNOW the Military Times was not a legitimate source. You are just. . . so. . . predictable.


That sentence makes absolutely no logical sense. The issue of whether or not the Military Times was a legitimate source, never came up. Why? Because it was one of the sources to which the article I used to explain why Mr. West's viewpoints and actions are full of dogshit. Predictable? The fact that your getting...OWNED...in the threads should show the average observer who is more predictable.

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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/1/2014 8:28:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Some interesting notes about Media Matters, the organization which Joe claims is keeping things straight. That would make them "fair", right? Even if backed by the left, if they're TRUTHFUL, then that means they don't lie or distort.

from Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/16/media-matters-targets-revealed-business-wealth-christianity/

from National Review: http://m.nationalreview.com/articles/222389/real-media-matters/byron-york

from the Spectator: http://spectator.org/articles/36028/media-matters-obamas-watergate

from JawaReport: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199317.php

from NewsBusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/22/media-matters-wont-apologize-spreading-fake-limbaugh-slavery-quote

from Front Page Magazine: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/jlaksin/media-matters-exposed/

from Canada Free Press: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/media-matters-lies-again-this-time-about-obama-intimidating-supreme-court

from Discover the Networks: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/mediamattersagendasandactivities.html


How dumb are you? Are you not able to understand that each of your 'examples' comes from a conservative media source? You can tell the difference between a liberal and conservative media source, right? Of course you can. So let me hit you with the very next logical question that you....SHOULD HAVE....asked before making your post: What would these conservative media sources gain, using the same information as FOX News, by trying to eliminate the credibility of Media Matters?

Since time and again, these forums, like the rest of the nation, have seen examples from each of these publications that have no only lied, but shown they knew the facts and didn't report then since it 'undermined the cause'! When a media source lies about something, its up to people, regardless of their political viewpoints, to hold that media organization accountable and responsible. When the liberal ones have posted information that didn't hold up to scrutiny, they have taken responsibility. They explain what they reported, what errors took place, and an apology. Why do you think so many people laughed at FOX News in the 2012 election? That Karl Rove forced Megan Kelly to walk down and chat to the experts on the election results? Because all the time before, FOX News used 'evidence', 'experts', and 'reliable data' to show that Mitt Romney was not only going to win, but it would be (to quote FOX News) "A Landslide Win!".

You have display many examples in the past of not being able to tell the difference between 'journalistic news' and 'propaganda news'. And that's your problem.
If that is true, then you are guilt of the same problem Joe. Unless of course, you really do believe in that naive head of yours that David Brock is an impartial man or that somehow, a media center set up by a man of the left and funded solely by left wing sources, would not come from a leftist viewpoint...would not be capable of lies and distortions? Of leftist propaganda?

Face it, Joe...for the most part almost all political news...and a great deal of most other news...carries the political taint of the people reporting it. It doesn't much matter whether it's CBS, FOX, ABC, MSNBC, TIME, NATIONAL REVIEW ORRRR...Media Matters.

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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/1/2014 8:56:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Some interesting notes about Media Matters, the organization which Joe claims is keeping things straight. That would make them "fair", right? Even if backed by the left, if they're TRUTHFUL, then that means they don't lie or distort.

from Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/16/media-matters-targets-revealed-business-wealth-christianity/

from National Review: http://m.nationalreview.com/articles/222389/real-media-matters/byron-york

from the Spectator: http://spectator.org/articles/36028/media-matters-obamas-watergate

from JawaReport: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199317.php

from NewsBusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/22/media-matters-wont-apologize-spreading-fake-limbaugh-slavery-quote

from Front Page Magazine: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/jlaksin/media-matters-exposed/

from Canada Free Press: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/media-matters-lies-again-this-time-about-obama-intimidating-supreme-court

from Discover the Networks: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/mediamattersagendasandactivities.html


How dumb are you? Are you not able to understand that each of your 'examples' comes from a conservative media source? You can tell the difference between a liberal and conservative media source, right? Of course you can. So let me hit you with the very next logical question that you....SHOULD HAVE....asked before making your post: What would these conservative media sources gain, using the same information as FOX News, by trying to eliminate the credibility of Media Matters?

Since time and again, these forums, like the rest of the nation, have seen examples from each of these publications that have no only lied, but shown they knew the facts and didn't report then since it 'undermined the cause'! When a media source lies about something, its up to people, regardless of their political viewpoints, to hold that media organization accountable and responsible. When the liberal ones have posted information that didn't hold up to scrutiny, they have taken responsibility. They explain what they reported, what errors took place, and an apology. Why do you think so many people laughed at FOX News in the 2012 election? That Karl Rove forced Megan Kelly to walk down and chat to the experts on the election results? Because all the time before, FOX News used 'evidence', 'experts', and 'reliable data' to show that Mitt Romney was not only going to win, but it would be (to quote FOX News) "A Landslide Win!".

You have display many examples in the past of not being able to tell the difference between 'journalistic news' and 'propaganda news'. And that's your problem.
I daresay smarter than you. I'm smart enough to know that dismissal of sources because they are conservative...without addressing what is stated in those stories...is not proof that it is lies. It is dismissal.

If that is true, then you are guilty of the same problem Joe. Unless of course, you really do believe in that naive head of yours that David Brock is an impartial man or that somehow, a media center set up by a man of the left and funded solely by left wing sources, would not come from a leftist viewpoint...would not be capable of lies and distortions? Of leftist propaganda?

Face it, Joe...for the most part almost all political news...and a great deal of most other news...carries the political taint of the people reporting it. It doesn't much matter whether it's CBS, FOX, ABC, MSNBC, TIME, NATIONAL REVIEW ORRRR...Media Matters.



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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/2/2014 9:06:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Some interesting notes about Media Matters, the organization which Joe claims is keeping things straight. That would make them "fair", right? Even if backed by the left, if they're TRUTHFUL, then that means they don't lie or distort.

from Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/16/media-matters-targets-revealed-business-wealth-christianity/

from National Review: http://m.nationalreview.com/articles/222389/real-media-matters/byron-york

from the Spectator: http://spectator.org/articles/36028/media-matters-obamas-watergate

from JawaReport: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199317.php

from NewsBusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/22/media-matters-wont-apologize-spreading-fake-limbaugh-slavery-quote

from Front Page Magazine: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/jlaksin/media-matters-exposed/

from Canada Free Press: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/media-matters-lies-again-this-time-about-obama-intimidating-supreme-court

from Discover the Networks: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/mediamattersagendasandactivities.html


How dumb are you? Are you not able to understand that each of your 'examples' comes from a conservative media source? You can tell the difference between a liberal and conservative media source, right? Of course you can. So let me hit you with the very next logical question that you....SHOULD HAVE....asked before making your post: What would these conservative media sources gain, using the same information as FOX News, by trying to eliminate the credibility of Media Matters?

Since time and again, these forums, like the rest of the nation, have seen examples from each of these publications that have no only lied, but shown they knew the facts and didn't report then since it 'undermined the cause'! When a media source lies about something, its up to people, regardless of their political viewpoints, to hold that media organization accountable and responsible. When the liberal ones have posted information that didn't hold up to scrutiny, they have taken responsibility. They explain what they reported, what errors took place, and an apology. Why do you think so many people laughed at FOX News in the 2012 election? That Karl Rove forced Megan Kelly to walk down and chat to the experts on the election results? Because all the time before, FOX News used 'evidence', 'experts', and 'reliable data' to show that Mitt Romney was not only going to win, but it would be (to quote FOX News) "A Landslide Win!".

You have display many examples in the past of not being able to tell the difference between 'journalistic news' and 'propaganda news'. And that's your problem.

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I daresay smarter than you. I'm smart enough to know that dismissal of sources because they are conservative...without addressing what is stated in those stories...is not proof that it is lies. It is dismissal.

If that is true...not knowing the difference between " journalism " and propaganda... then you are guilty of the same problem Joe. Unless of course, you really do believe in that naive head of yours that David Brock is an impartial man or that somehow, a media center set up by a man of the left and funded solely by left wing sources, would not come from a leftist viewpoint...would not be capable of lies and distortions? Of leftist propaganda?

Face it, Joe...for the most part almost all political news...and a great deal of most other news...carries the political taint of the people reporting it. It doesn't much matter whether it's CBS, FOX, ABC, MSNBC, TIME, NATIONAL REVIEW ORRRR...Media Matters.


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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/2/2014 9:08:12 AM   
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I apologize...don't know how I managed to do three but I did. MEA CULPA!!!

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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/3/2014 5:11:50 AM   
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If that is true, then you are guilt of the same problem Joe. Unless of course, you really do believe in that naive head of yours that David Brock is an impartial man or that somehow, a media center set up by a man of the left and funded solely by left wing sources, would not come from a leftist viewpoint...would not be capable of lies and distortions? Of leftist propaganda?


I don't have that problem. I examine news from several sources. Some are conservative, some liberal, others....moderate. Some are views inside the nation, and others, outside. Its really to bad we no longer have strict journalistic rules and principles in the nation. That twenty years ago, as many as fifty or so companies owned the varies news outlets and those had to compete with each other for viewership. That forced them to be as non political and partisan as possible. Some did push an agenda, but not the majority. Fast forward to 2014, and there are just six companies that out news outlets. With a vast reduction in competition, the remaining companies are not as stressed to report accurate information. An as anyone that has studied economics and business, less competition is a bad thing for the consumer. But the consumer here is not getting a product or service, but information. And that information is being more and more assigned along political and ideological lines.

That there are Americans that hate 'liberal media', yet can not define the word 'liberal' is pretty sad. Likewise, conservative media has a fair number of individuals that can not define 'conservative'. When asked 'what are qualities in journalism'? How do we answer the question? 'Freedom from censorship' would be one answer. That we have access to this tool called 'The Internet'. The problem is that this tool doesn't come with a warning not to take everything found on it seriously or truthfully. Credibility becomes a key factor in information reported. That John Stewarts 'Daily Show' ranks up there with 'NPR' for accurate news information is in a way....a sad....commentary on our society.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Face it, Joe...for the most part almost all political news...and a great deal of most other news...carries the political taint of the people reporting it. It doesn't much matter whether it's CBS, FOX, ABC, MSNBC, TIME, NATIONAL REVIEW ORRRR...Media Matters.


That is a pretty bleak and depressing way to look at the 1st amendment. You see politics as a bad thing. If that is true, why are you on this thread? You should be tainted up one arm and down the other by now! And there lies the real truth of the matter. You and I, are not news outlets. CBS, FOX News, ABC, MSNBC, TIME, The National Review....are....news outlets. Media Matters does not report news. It explains how one news organization reported the news. Most often showing the viewer what FOX News aired/printed/posted. And then explaining the facts the news organization had correct, and what it didn't have correct. Both sections give quite an understanding of what FOX News is, as a media and news outlet. What is given shows the news outlet to be corrupted to the core! That much of its information contains falsehoods and incorrect information. Worst of all, they....know....the information and viewpoints they are posting are false and misleading. That they push an agenda is well understood by most informed people.

Most people in this nation do not have the ability to weigh the information on the 'fact'/'fiction' scale. That they are accepting what they think is accurate news from FOX News, turns out to be a bundle of falsehoods. Then when people try to correct them later with the actual information, they get mad/angry and call them 'liberal'.


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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/3/2014 5:18:52 AM   
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I apologize...don't know how I managed to do three but I did. MEA CULPA!!!


I think Post #44 and #45 are the culprits here (and ask the mod to delete them). That you hit 'ok', and something hiccupped three times. Either that, or your trying to debate yourself. And I think BenevolentM might be mad that your trying to squeeze in on his 'style of posting'!

< Message edited by joether -- 10/3/2014 5:19:52 AM >

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RE: Allen West calls on US Military to Disobey the Pres... - 10/7/2014 7:00:39 PM   
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